The Vile Tactics Of Camerons "Caring" conservatives

simonmagnus Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:33:53 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

So this is caring conservatism?




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The Vile Tactics Of Camerons "Caring" conservatives | 23 comments (23 topical)

Re: Vile Tactics (#1)

by orzr on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:50:28 PM GMT

Pretending that criminal activity by a member of any party somehow implies endorsement or approval by the leader of the party is a "vile tactic".

Should we take any law-breaking by Labour party members as indicative of the nature of the Labour party and its leader? I thought not.


Re: Vile Tactics (#2)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:00:40 PM GMT

Has anybody actually been found guilty of anything in the labour party?no i thought not,and lets face it the conservatives are so very good at twisting laws to their own needs,you must have a short memery do the names archer ,aitkin (ex-convicted criminals) hamilton, Alistair MacDonald and conman ooops sorry freudian slip there i meant to say conway mean anything to you?


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Re: Vile Tactics (#3)

by PeterSam on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:21:23 PM GMT

The courts last Friday upheld the conviction of disgraced Labour councillor Miranda Grell. She was originally found guilty at Waltham Forest Magistrate’s Court on 21 September of smearing a rival gay Liberal Democrat candidate, Barry Smith, as a paedophile – in breach of electoral law - during a homophobic dirty tricks election campaign in Leyton Ward, Waltham Forest, in 2006.


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Re: Vile Tactics (#4)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:59:09 PM GMT

She doesn't face jail though does she?she didn't take part in vandalism and criminal damage which is what your man is guilty of,i think a smear campain is much different to the hooligan tactics used by your man,i mean slashing tyres and spraying graffitti is the style of a thug not a politician simple as.


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Re: Vile Tactics (#5)

by PeterSam on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:04:18 PM GMT

Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys. (2001)


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Re: Vile Tactics (#6)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:18:29 PM GMT

I am glad to see they have you working hard there at cchq peter,i think if anybody does anything outside of the law they should face the courts in the proper manner as martin locklyn did,but if you really want to be fair with your condemnation then don't you think your leader should be questioned about his involvment in casual drug use in the eighties,i don't know about you but i think anyone who allegedly takes cocaine should not be allowed to run this country as i have seen what happens to children in bolivia and columbia so you decadent tories can get your jollies,they are often executed or if they are lucky they just lose a leg and eye or an arm so you should search your files there and see if any labour mps have taken cocaine as your two top allegedly men have.


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Re: Vile Tactics (#7)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:20:37 PM GMT

Here is a run down of this disgusting mans actions
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4464311.ece


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Re: Vile Tactics (#8)

by HHemmelig on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:35:50 PM GMT

You touch on an interesting point.  During the Tory leadership election I recall there was great speculation as to some very damaging stories that were "about to come out" about Cameron and Osborne and their alleged hard drug use.  Nothing ever really materialised.  I wonder if Labour will try to dredge this stuff up just before the general election - or is it just because there was nothing to the story?

On the Watford issue I agree that these certainly were "vile tactics".  Politics certainly does seem to attract more than its fair share of weirdos, in all parties, but this kind of thing is in a different league.  How the hell could someone like that ever have been selected?


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Re: Vile Tactics (#10)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:44:24 PM GMT

Ian Oakley was described by members of his selection committee as a solid, stable choice thats how he was selected.


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Re: Vile Tactics (#12)

by PeterSam on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 06:22:01 PM GMT

Tony Blair appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.


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Re: Vile Tactics (#13)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 06:42:44 PM GMT

Give yourself a little pat on the back pedro you must have searched high and low for that little nugget,but that doesn't change the fact that your man and the boy george still have things to come into the public domain, ever hear the exprssion two wrongs don't make a right.


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"tactics" (#9)

by Boyce on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:41:48 PM GMT

In every party there are idiots who do stupid things. It shouldn't be allowed to reflect on the party as a whole (unless the party supports the actions, which in this case obviously they don't)


Re: "tactics" (#11)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:45:43 PM GMT

Well your leader has a graveyard in his closet so i really don't know how thinks when it comes to moral choices.


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Re: "tactics" (#14)

by Boyce on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 06:48:08 PM GMT

I don't have any party affiliation and I'm far from decided who I'm voting for next election. I just think it's important to distinguish between "vile tactics" and the isolated acts of one individual, of whatever party.


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Re: "tactics" (#15)

by PeterSam on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:26:28 PM GMT

Boyce - I'm with you here. It's unfortunate that this particular contributor (SM) seems to be incapable of anything more than scurrilous posts that contain unsubstantiated allegations.  I shouldn't let it irritate me, but it's gutter politics for which 'vile' would be an apt word.

I prefer the more honest, and genuinly researched, assessments as exist elsewhere on this site.  Wether the genuine 'Labour'  supporters can recover the party from New Labour, I don't know. (Have to sign out now)!


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Re: "tactics" (#16)

by simonmagnus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:35:58 PM GMT

Well peter you didn't have to read my post old chap and you didn't have to respond to it and i am sorry you find my post scurilous but thats politics is it not,your man and chris greything regularly throw accusations around with out a care in the world but of course he is from better stock than i so he's allowed to,you should lighten up peter i am not on here to cause mallice between contributors but i am on here to say what i think even if you find it a little unpalletable...oh and do forgive my poor grammar old bean but i am a normal working class labour supporting lad.


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Re: "tactics" (#17)

by PeterSam on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:25:19 PM GMT

SM You're absolutely right; and I probably wouldn't have responded if you hadn't said, 'Has anybody actually been found guilty of anything in the labour party?no i thought not'.  The public hold all politicians in contempt, and they should be exposed where criminality and corruption is found.  However, if this is your style, then as you say, I don't have to read your posts.


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Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#18)

by AngryVoter on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 10:15:38 AM GMT

Simon, am I right in thinking you're a leftie troll?

 I mean, it's all well and good you have a go at a Tory for some fiddling, but when it happens on both sides of the house for a start.

Furthermore, don't you find it a bit much to then hurl insults at everyone else that comes up with counter claims because you stated yourself that "nobody had been convicted" on the Labour side [blatantly untrue] and 20 seconds in Google doth not equate to working for CCHQ. I suggest you take a more mature line to threads and blog-posts here rather than blindly beleive everything the Guardian posts.


Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#19)

by simonmagnus on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 02:18:11 PM GMT

Am i a leftie troll well the short answer to that is no,i quite liked the way blair did business so i would say i am more centre left and the guardian article was the kindest i could find if you want the real scurilous detail then check out the times or daily mail ,you really must be a stuffed shirt mate to actually want to write and tell me to be more mature "lmfao" if you were really are an angry voter you would get over to guidos site and then you can see what real venom is,as i have said before i will say what i please even if it isn't to  you torys taste ,my god, my wifes cousin wants to be a tory and we have some very heated and sometime darnright furious arguments but we are old enough to take the blows on the chin and not whinge ,whine and cry about it we just buy one another a drink and  agree to disagree,if you don't like what i write then don't bloody come here and read it you plum.


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Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#20)

by DevonChap on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:07:11 PM GMT

Simon, what you forget is that politically undecided but interested people come to this website looking to make up their minds about the respective parties. They also go to ConservativeHome and Libdem Voice. Posting this kind of dirt and then jumping up and down on anyone who disagrees with you will help those floating voters make up their minds, and it won't be to vote Labour. Let the loonies on ConservativeHome howl at the moon and try to put up some considered stuff about Labour are going to get out of the hole they find themselves in.


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Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#21)

by simonmagnus on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:22:28 PM GMT

I know people who are undecided come here DevonChap but i don't think what i say will effect them either way,i am sure if they are coming here for veiws on policy, potential candidates, ect, they can find that here too so if they can't take a bit of tounge in cheek banter then in the words of b a baracus "i pity the fool"


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Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#22)

by AngryVoter on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:25:35 PM GMT

OOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! OW OW OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! etc etc.

Kidding aside.

I am thinking Simon is a bit of a blind supporter of Labour, his rushed responces and largely immature writing style suggesting he's young, maybe even younger than Jkitleft. Still, internet takes alsorts I suppose.

Just to add to this to Simon is that Labour will never use any more corruption stories against the Tories or the lib dems. Why? Simple, they won't lest their own closets start to rattle as the bleached bone fingers start to scratch at the door.

It's an unfortunate reality of politics here in the UK and has "Cross-grassroots" consensus, we all dislike our politicians have a fiddle on the expenses because the damn system is so murky, and another thing that also has "Cross-grassroots" consensus is some sort of major overhaul of the expenses system.

Now, admittedly so far the only party promising that concretely is that of the Tories at present, but it's entirely likely Labour will swing in after them sooner or later for the sake of the country, rather than their parties.

I mean, we shouldn't also forget that Labour enacted various laws that would help them root out corruption, it just bit them back when they pushed the limits of those new laws with the cash-for-peerages scandal.

I understand this, I suggest you do too.


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Re: The Vile Tactics Of Camerons.... (#23)

by simonmagnus on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:59:23 PM GMT

I am thinking Simon is a bit of a blind supporter of Labour, his rushed responces and largely immature writing style suggesting he's young, maybe even younger than Jkitleft. Still, internet takes alsorts I suppose.
Now that wasn't very nice was it,considering how much you dislike what i write you seem to be coming back for more and more and as this is a forum then i think my post served its purpose as i have had all the tory trolls spitting blood which i find rather flattering,as for my age i am 39 and have voted labour all my life so i don't need to be told by a tory what is the right or wrong thing to say,i personally think david scameron at his core is a wrong 'un and if you want to buy his snake oil you are welcome but i am afraid it will be more of a placebo than an actual cure to any ills this country may or may not have...have a good day ;o)


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