Social democracy: Or how I learned to stop worrying and love New Labour.

I posted a blog a couple of days ago about what New Labour stands for. And let me just say, I was glad to see that New Labourites like snowflake and Northern Monkey clearly believe we should be a Labour party, and even if they are on the right of the party, would prefer us to be left-of-centre, rather than just slap bang in the middle.

I've been reading over old threads, and it shocked me how much to the right many in the party were. Particuarly JR *shudders*. A guy who supported Sarkozy because of his position on working hours, said that the unions were enemies of the party, and who praised Brown as delivering a budget in 2007, that was excellent politically. Well, we all know how politically successful it ended up being for him...

It occured to me, that when the government searches for a triangulating policy, even generally loyal supporters are ready to criticise. And, they seem to genuinally believe in New Labour, rather than saying that they don't want to be, but it's just that any social-democratic policy like maternity pay, or flexible working hours, or tax cuts for the poor, and tax rises for the rich, is horrible Bennite.

I suspect JR left Labour after his scathing attacks on Harman, even though she then went on to win. It was ironic that he accused her of being far-left after she called for redistribution of wealth, considering this government has redistributed more than any government ever.

Luckily, when I now debate with people who I'm slightly to the left of, the main achievements they list of this government are worthy of any social-democratic party. The NHS in its best ever health, increased childcare, tax credits, devolution, abolition of hereditary peers, minimum wage, and other fine achievements.

Actually, once the rediculously right-wing New Labourites left, I became more sympathetic to this government. And I don't doubt the loyalty of New Labourites anymore. Mainly because they take the time to debate with me, and I started hearing the arguments from the right of the party for the first time, rather than simply, "But we'll lose if we follow your way".

So I only hope we all have international loyalty, and can support Obama in November, unlike New Labour support for Sarkozy last year...



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Re: Social democracy (#1)

What happened to JR and the other ultra-Blairite headbangers?

Re: Social democracy (#2)

I think it's better not to ask :)

Re: Social democracy (#3)

"Actually, once the rediculously [sic] right-wing New Labourites left, I became more sympathetic to this government. And I don't doubt the loyalty of New Labourites anymore."

Isn't this all rather petty and self-regarding?

Is your support so transient that you really needed some guy on the right of the party to stop posting on Labourhome to make you "more sympathetic to this government"?

And now you're happy to announce that you no longer need to withhold your approval of fellow party members! Some vague and unannounced test of credentials has been passed and the badge of Labour loyalty bestowed. This must come as a tremendous relief to those concerned.

Without wishing to second-guess you or your activities, I must say this: I truly hope that somewhere in the middle of the abundance of free time that you clearly enjoy you find some time to do real work for the Labour Party. Mini-essays on lapsed contributors to Labourhome may bring you some private satisfaction, but they won't win you many votes in your constituency. 

Re: Social democracy (#6)

No, it was because after some of the rediculously right-wing members left, other New Labourites took the time to debate with me. And I became more sympathetic to the arguments, because I was hearing the arguments for the first time.

Or maybe your just mad because I'm urging people not to vote for McCain.....

Re: Social democracy: (#4)

It's interesting that you mention the "rediculously right-wing New Labourites" for I can recount, from my own personal experience, of being distinctly shocked at the personal politics of some of the Labour MPs, members and advisors etc whilst at the Manchester conference in 2006. Perhaps it was because it was my first conference, for I am after a mere youngster afterall, but the impression was left indelibly on my mind that vast swathes of the Labour party have been utterly overrun by extremley right wing 'Labourites'. On many an occasion, there was nothing to distinguish between which party they actually believed in and stood for.

Re: Social democracy: (#5)

It's interesting that you mention the "rediculously right-wing New Labourites" for I can recount, from my own personal experience, of being distinctly shocked at the personal politics of some of the Labour MPs, members and advisors etc whilst at the Manchester conference in 2006. Perhaps it was because it was my first conference, for I am after a mere youngster afterall, but the impression was left indelibly on my mind that vast swathes of the Labour party have been utterly overrun by extremley right wing 'Labourites'. On many an occasion, there was nothing to distinguish between which party they actually believed in and stood for.

Re: Social democracy (#7)

Or maybe your [sic] just mad because I'm urging people not to vote for McCain.....

I don't begrudge you your evangelizing for Senator Obama - keep it up. 

I am surprised though that you think I (or anyone) would be bothered - even "mad" - about it in the first place. To put it as mildly as possible; I suspect your advocacy for Senator Obama on the pages of Labourhome.org is going to sway approximately 0 votes. 

Re: Social democracy (#8)

Well duh

Re: Social democracy (#9)

Ok, a bit more eloquantly:

1) I don't evangelise. I'm too much of a proud anti-theist for that.

2) See post #2 on the thread "Why Obama won't lose".