A Genuinely New Face For A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER

However painful it might be to accept, one thing is clear; Labour is currently so unpopular that no single course of action can ensure it's success at the next election. One thing can, however, guarantee it's defeat and that is leaving Gordon Brown at the helm.



Sad as it may be for those of us who had high hopes of a renewal of the Party under Gordon, this has spectacularly failed to happen. Instead, the rot that set in under Tony final years has only seeped deeper, tainting the Party's image to an almost irreversible extent.

The worst thing about this analysis is that it is not merely my own, but it is one that is widely shared by a considerable proportion of the cabinet and Parliamentary Party. Most people now can see the size and shape of the hole we're in. But how do we get out?

The deeper the hole, the more creative you have to be to find a way out. Asking Gordon to carry on "getting on with the job" or push for more "fairness" (his idea of a vision?) is clearly not going to work. Neither is replacing him with another familiar face. That applies to Jack Straw and Alan Johnson, and I do not see any glimmer of original vision in David Milliband's Guardian call to arms. Furthermore, in image terms, he has been talked up as a future leader so much now that a succession by him risks being seen as another predictable shifting of chairs on the Titanic.

No, what we need is a real departure from the current brand. With it will come a new interest in the Party and, hopefully, if the candidate is smart enough, a new vision. One that excites a public aching for fresh leadership.

For that we need not venture out into the darkest recesses of the PLP, plucking a Crudas or some other risky proposition from oblivion. We have an obvious candidate sitting quietly around the cabinet table (sometimes). She is smart, projects an image of confidence, enormous capability, yet a youth and vitality that will instantly dispel the notions of a "tired old Labour Party". Yvette Cooper will inject a much needed excitement into the political arena and bring media and public interest along with it, in a way that has been absent for several years now.

A genuinely new kid on the block, but with far more obvious brain and experience than the man who would stand opposite her. It's time to be bold. It's time for Yvette Cooper.

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Re: YVETTE COOPER (#1)

This is about the freshest face round the table. I agree. She performs really well on TV and yet comes across different to most of the stuff shirts up there.

If they are serious about winning the next election they ought to give this some serious consideration.

Re: YVETTE COOPER (#2)

A friend of mine had this exact same idea this weekend. At first I wasn't sure, but the more I think about it the better it sounds. This would really steal the mantle of change away from the Tories...

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#3)

There seem to be people talking about this all over the web. Daring? Yes. Imaginitive? Yes. A winner? Who knows, but it sounds about as likely to succeed as anything else I've heard out there...

Re: YVETTE COOPER (#4)

I'm a big fan of hers. She could be a genuinely progressive voice.

A Genuinely New Face (#5)

I'm sorry but this is just a ridiculous suggestion. It's almost as absurd as William Rees-Mogg recent assertion that Labour should pick Harriet Harman in his ludicrously titled 'Labour should choose Hillary, not Obama' article in The Times. I am fairly certain that Rees-Mogg has absolutely no interest giving any sound evidence to the Labour party, being the bastion of the Conservative establishment that he is. 

Picking Yvette Cooper to signal that the Labour party is 'changing' is as superficial as all the PR guff David Cameron spouts every day. The Labour party as a whole needs a fundamental re-think of who we are, what our purpose is and where we are going. I'm afraid that picking an MP that frankly the majority of Britain will have never heard of, apart from perhaps her mishandling of the Home Information Packs, simply isn't good enough.

A Genuinely New Face (#6)

DDave 3 is clearly not all that interested in whether or not Labour wins the next election.

The country is tired of Labour FACT. All the front line players are associated with this malaise that has spread far and wide FACT. A change of leader represents an opportunity for renewal like no other. Of course debate around a new direction, and then setting one is important, but so is our ability to elect a leader that is able to attract attention and impress FACT. Whether it's Barack Obama in the US, Sarkozy in France or Cameron here, personalities do matter in terms of your ability to gain attention and drive the agenda FACT.

If you choose to remain ignorant of that so be it, but the rest of us want to get back into the business of winning elections!

Yvette Cooper represents a real chance of turning the page to a fresh chapter...

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#12)

What makes you think that Yvette Cooper has anywhere near the appeal within the Parliamentary Labour Party, the Trade Unions or the actual members of the Labour Party to mount a successful leadership bid? A person cannot just run for the leadership on a whim, they have to have real support that is both deep and broad. I suspect Yvette Cooper has neither.

And in regards to your first line RomC, I am afraid that is not the case. I'm an elected officer within my CLP, I have been a Labour candidate for District Council elections and I am shortlisted for my constituency's next PPC. I am only interested in ensuring that Labour win the next election.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#13)

Glad to hear it. Your Party credentials are not dissimilar to mine.

Do you actually think, at this point in time, that any single potential candidate has anything like a majority in either wing of the electoral college? This is a discussion about a discussion about an election, so that's not the point. In the interests of brainstorming and keeping all options open with the singluar goal of winning the next election keep an open mind.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#28)

This is a hypothetical discussion about an election that in all probability will not occur. As to gathering enough support, Harriet Harman has far more support from the branches of the Labour party. I just don't see the appeal of Yvette, that is all. A competent Minister yes, but that is the minimal requirement.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#56)

I was at the selection meeting for the prospective parliamentery candidate for Labour (Pontefract and Castleford) for the 1997 election. Yvette Cooper's oratory had those there eating out of her hand. She beat Hilary Benn. As was reported in the local press, there was dancing in the steets of Castleford that night (rare mid-week but not unheard of on a Saturday night!!) She has been a minister appointed by Tony Blair for many years and has great experience of several departments. More experience than Davis Cameron. She is an ally of Gordon Brown and would never stand against him, I am sure. It would be a different matter if Mr Brown resigns. She is a great constitiuency MP. Those reading this will gather I am a fan

Re: YVETTE COOPER (#7)

I was watching QT a couple of weeks ago (I know, but I was bored), and there was a social worker who was saying how low he was paid, and I could see the guilt etched on Cooper's face. I could see that she thought it was wrong. I personally believe she would offer a change of direction.

Re: YVETTE COOPER (#8)

I know what you mean. There's an authenticity to her that gives her an appeal beyond most Ministers.

For me she'd be something to hope for and fight for again. I hope she goes for it...

YVETTE COOPER (#9)

Terrible idea - apparently she was the one responsible for the conference arrangements comittee's decision to rule the 10p tax motion out of order as lacking sufficient contemporary interest.

If we'd have have that debate we might have been able to tell the government what an obvious fiasco that was.

A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#10)

For those who live in the obscure world of conference motions and minutae of agenda items (like the last comment), sure she won't be good enough. But then again, neither will anyone else.

We need to be practical and we need to aim our sites squarely on the General Election and work out how we're going to win it. I realise that not everyone will be old enough to remember waking up to the first day of a newly elected Tory government, but believe me it's not something you want to try!

Don't underestimate what needs to be done. Yvette Cooper gives us a shot. That's more than we have right now...

Re: A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#21)

Gives us a shot?

I'm sorry but do some of you live on the same planet?!

She's as loathed among the general public as Harriet Harman.

Re: A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#23)

That cannot be possible. She is nowhere near as well known as Harriet H... and that's the whole point!

Stick with the old boys then NM, the familiar faces that the public know and are rapidly growing to hate - keep doing what we've done and we'll keep getting what we've got. 

Re: A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#35)

People already know Yvette Cooper and they can't stand her. I personally find her very smug. Has she ever managed to raise a smile on national television in the last 5 years?

Re: A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#24)

The point about the conference resolution was about her complete lack of political judgement - she thought no-one would care about the 10p tac rate.

With form like that, what the hell makes you think she would be the one to lead us to victory?!?!

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#11)

I can just see the poster "vote Cooper and get Balls".
Sorry .. she's got baggage - and extremely unpleasant and unloved baggage who would sink her with the electorate. Harriet Harman would be far better.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#14)

She's as exciting as wet blancmange. Very competant as a Cabinet Minister but not as PM, I'm afraid. But you've also made the point that we'ed end up with a husband and wife team, again; after Tony and Cherie, it would be too much to take.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#16)

Always liked Harman. Reminds me of a left-wing Thatcher:

Whipping girl, in that she is used in the cabinet to push through unpopular agendas. Secretly doesn't like her party's stance. Gradually getting more annoyed with her party's stance. If she was leader, the reaction would be the same as to the election of Thatcher: "What have they done?" Her agenda would be seen as mad, but has the power to screw everyone else. I actually think that many liked Thatcher not for her politics, but her handbagging style which led to Tory wags saying she was the only man in the cabinet. Harriet could do the same. Her voice in the '80's seemed to be a lone one, just like Thatcher's in the early years of her career.

Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#15)

Yvette Cooper is competent certainly, but that does not set her apart - it is a pre requesite, but only gets you to the starting line. What we need is someone who will excite curiosity and interest. Without that, any campaign or political party ceases to be relevant.

Undoubtedly Yvette Cooper is someone who can - by her very novelty - achieve that (unlike pretty much any other likely candidate out there). It's time to stop tinkering and go for root and branch change of the party and its image. Sitting and hoping will not work. It hasn't so far.

I say go for it Yvette.

Every Prime Minister needs a Willy. (#17)

But at least she has Balls.


She really ain't all that.

Worst of all it would bring Balls to the public notice and he is a total wassock and the less the public see of him the better for us.

It is a massive risk - and we are playing with the survival of our party here.

If Yvette goes dont badly in the first few months, we are simply doomed.

Yvette could help, but she is so untried that is becomes an unconsioanble risk.

it could give us a hung parliament if we are luky, it could also give us third place behind the Liberals.

Re: Every Prime Minister needs a Willy. (#18)

I fear that if we fall below 100 seats, we would have seen the last Labour PM.

All the fundraising cash that the opposition would get would pour into the Libs and they would be second in enough seats to make them the natural alternative and we will be seen as a collapsing old relic.

Re: Every Prime Minister needs a Willy. (#27)

But aren't the Lib Dems in trouble too? I seriously doubt that Labour will fall to being the 3rd party!

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#19)

Please god no.

And that goes for her husband too.

Re: Yvette - not yet (#20)

It could happen eventually but she is too closely associated with Ed Balls and Ed is too close to Gordon.  There is also the sleaze thing with their expenses.  However I suspect that she and Ed will quit politics and go and make some money in a few years time. They won't enjoy opposition (and Ed will probably loose his seat)

Re: Yvette - not yet (#64)

I have to be honest, I don't think people (that is, ordinary human beings as opposed to Labour bloggers) much care about the webs of political alliance.  Ok so the media would be able to spout some guff for a bit, but don't be fooled into thinking that the average person knows that her husband is a political ally of Brown or that they would care if they did.

Having said that, this discussion is a bit silly.  Cooper's main pros being pointed out here seem to be that she's a very competent minister who speaks well and isn't too well known by the electorate, with that last being the most notable.  That a minister isn't very well known isn't really a good reason to propose them as a potential new leader...

Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#22)

Sure, we could play it safe. But look where that has got us. A radical departure is the only realistic way to win and Yvette C is exactly that. if the only way she can be connect to the present incumbent is via her husband, then that still keeps her at more of a distance than virtually anyone else round the table.

Hopefully Balls has the balls to see his wife leapfrog him. It's for the good of the party so fingers crossed...

New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#25)

What we need is what Tony brought us when he first took the helm of the Party:
1. Novelty
2. Integrity
3. Capability
...which lead us to:
4. Victory
I see Yvette as certainly capable of this. She gets my vote.

Re: New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#26)

There was also the small matter of a widely disliked government that had been in power too long...

Re: A Genuinely New Face For A Genuinely New Phase (#29)

Yvette Cooper?! Please no. She may come across as competent but her style is chippy, dismissive and vaguley aggressive. If communcation is key to getting the Labour message out there she is last choice.

A Genuinely New Face (#30)

This whole suggestion is surely preposterous. What has Yvette Cooper done as a minister? Err, nothing. No achievements in policy areas. A botched introduction of HIPS and apparently a bad reputation amongst MPs for the more mundane aspects of a minister's duties - notably dealing with correspondence and less important debates. She is where she is entirely at the patronage of Gordon Brown (along with Messrs Balls, Alexander  and Miliband E and in common with several other ex special advisors) in that she was helped into a safe seat - in her case by the NEC by-election panel at Pontefract having failed to win in Warrington when all local candidates were excluded from the shortlist to assist her. Then propelled through the ministerial ranks by GB's patronage. She may be excellent but so far she hasn't demonstrated it - all I see is another Brown crony.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#31)

Spot on, daisycutter.

A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#32)

That's a perfect description of pretty much every member of the government. Unfortunately we can't ask Barack Obama to stand and I doubt we can (as some perhaps here might like to) resurrect Arthur Scargill, so we have to choose from the possible candidates.

I don't know about you but I want to win this election, and that means real change in the party. The only way the Tories got out of their hole was by selecting a guy who no one (even among their MPs) had heard of much before.

Yvette is as untainted as you're likely to get into an 11 year old government. Clearly she has support out there, and a case can certainly be made in the country.

Re: A Genuinely New Phase: YVETTE COOPER (#44)

I'd rather have cat AIDS then support a party led by Arthur Scargill....

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#33)

We've been talking up Yvette for the last year or two as the next Labour Prime Minister.  As I see it, she's been empire building a bit - there's a bit of a cabal of MPs and high profile activists who are in her circle, as it were. 

Personally, I think she is as culpable as the rest of the cabinet over the current problems, and I've certainly not been impressed by her recent performances.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#34)

Well it's certainly time for a woman, and she's hands down the freshest face of all the female contenders out there.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#37)

If you are thinking an 'exciting woman politician' then look no further than Caroline Flint; she has the same aura as Barbara Castle had. Unfortunately because Jim Callaghan scuppered 'In Place of Strife', the first attempts at much needed Union Reform Barbara never made it to the top; she should have in '76 become the First woman PM, and we would have been spared Thatcher.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#41)

This isn't Guido - sod off.

Re: A Genuinely New Face (#42)

I agree DD. Not an appropriate comment and so what if she has had several relationships - good luck to her. Private lives should remain private. In fact perhaps the editor can remove the comment, which is pure innudendo. She is another minister with a patchy record in office though and that should count against her. Anything else is irrelevant.

Re: A Genuinely New Face For A Genuinely New Phase (#39)

When the government was trying to sell it's budget to an angry public, they didn't send the Chancellor, they sent Yvette.  She's a brilliant communicator and out of a completely different mould that the Milibands / Camerons / Cleggs- all of whom could be mistaken for each other if they decided to get the same haircut.

Re: A Genuinely New Face For A Genuinely New Phase (#43)

So you've had a lot of face to face meetings with her I take it?

Re: A Genuinely New Face For A Genuinely New Phase (#48)

Like the rest of the country you just need to watch newsnight to get her measure

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2504115489364941949&q=yvette+cooper&ei=G3GTSPieFY KSigKp-5CmBQ&hl=en


Re: A Genuinely New Face - YouGov say ? (#45)

Just 15 per cent of voters questioned by YouGov this week said they believe that Mr Brown is "is up to the job". Only Sir John Major has ever recorded such a low approval rating, in 1995, two years before his Conservative Government suffered the worst election defeat in modern history.

Sixty five per cent of voters say Mr Brown is now a "liability" for Labour, up from only 25 per cent in June last year when he took office. Forty-four per cent of people say Labour's electoral prospects would improve if Mr Brown was replaced.

The poll, carried out between Tuesday and Thursday this week, confirms that Labour remains far behind David Cameron's Conservatives. The Tories are on 47 per cent and Labour is on 25 per cent, a 22-point lead that would give Mr Cameron a landslide victory at a general election.

Only 9 per cent of voters said they believe Mr Brown is "in touch with the concerns of people like me." Fifty-two per cent say he "lacks the qualities needed to lead Britain effectively through its current economic problems" and 53 per cent, say Mr Brown dithers.

But exactly half of voters believe replacing Mr Brown as Prime Minister with another Labour MP would make no difference to Britain.

So grave is Mr Brown's plight that many voters have started to pity him. Forty-two percent said they feel either "very sorry" or "fairly sorry" for the Prime Minister.

But the YouGov poll also contains some cold comfort for the Prime Minister, showing that that none of the Labour figures currently considered possible replacements would significantly improve the party's standing.

With Mr Miliband as leader, Labour scores 24 per cent against 47 per cent for the Conservatives. Under Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, the figures are 24-45. Were Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, to take over, Labour would fall to 17 per cent, in third place behind the Liberal Democrats on 18 per cent and the Conservatives on 50 per cent.

In fact, the only Labour figure who could significantly narrow the gap with the Tories is the man the party forced out of office last year: Tony Blair. Yet even with Mr Blair as leader, Labour would trail the Conservatives by 32 per cent to 41 per cent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/2484011/John-Hutton-admits-Government-fai lings-as-Gordon-Browns-popularity-slumps.html

Re: A Genuinely New Face - YouGov say ? (#46)

Cooper?  Hahahahahahahaha. PMSL.

Two words - Balls,  Allowances.

The press would have a field day.

She's a bureaucrat.  The public have had enough of NuLab I-know-best bureaucrats and to pick one is suicide.

Everytime anyone , mentions Cooper, Millipede, Benn etc get mentioned Cameron must burst out laughing.

Face reality.  Cameron does not have to and is not going to say anything of any importance.  He doesn't have to.  The electorate is going to bury New Labour not him.

Labour's worry is post 2010 it's got to pick a new leadership and shadow cabinet that's:
a) still got a seat
and
b) Is not connected with New Labour either Blairist or Brownite.

It's going to be so funny watching them trying to square those circles.

Re: A Genuinely New Face - YouGov say ? (#49)

Thankyou for your constructive argument, but I'd like to hear what kind of 'beaurocracy' you think exists. Is it in the NHS, where porters are counted as beaurcorats?

Pure hyperbole. Talk of Labour being finished, or going under 100 seats is fantasy. The most likely result will be a Tory majority in the region of between 20-60.

What is funny? Laugh all you want. But alot of people I know, who are Labour supporters, are geuninally scared. Not for party reasons, but for their wellbeing. They are the low-paid. My mum's on tax credits. Care to continue laughing once she describes how hard it will be if tax credits are gutted? I had a hospital op. for a heart condition which I was born with in February. I almost died at 2 weeks old, but it was benign for 15 years. Then I started getting tachycardia. I had the option of having an operation within a month of appointment, but I chose to delay it until a half-term week. It could have got more serious had I been waiting for 18 months from the day of meeting the GP.

I'm certainly not laughing.

Re: A Genuinely New Face - YouGov say ? (#61)

@jkitleft 

Gross I earn £14.8K a year, wife £13.6K.  Both skilled jobs me at supervisory level. Not even enough to get a mortgage. I'm 50, wife 48.  Can't get a council house because the wife and I have no kids and are not homeless.  On the waiting list 'earning' half a point a year.  Need 96 points minimum to qualify so I'll be OK in 180 years or so. In the meantime, well over a third of our combined net wages goes on renting a 100 year old 2 bed terrace.  We can't afford a car.  It is pointless putting in to a pension plan because the amount I could afford I would lose on means tested benefits.

I am a severe diabetic with assosciated kidney, visual and circulatory complications and arthritic right hand.  That doesn't count for anything.

There are no NHS dentists within 80 miles of here.

The 10p tax fiasco took £300 a year off me,  then to make matters even more pathetic when they tried to correct it gave me nothing back and gave people who hadn't lost in the first place my money.

I joined the Labour Party in 1976 and for a long time was an activist delivering leaflets etc etc.  I finally had enough of them a couple of years ago. New Labour - both Blairist and Brownite is little more than a sham. 

What has New Labour done for me?  What promiose does it hold for me?  What is it guaranteeing me it will do in order to earn my vote?

Does that answer your question?

Are you on crack? (#47)

If Yvette Cooper is the answer I don't want to know the question.

Re: YVETTE COOPER (#53)

I really do wonder who some of the people who post on here are...
There is very very little PLP support for YC.  There is probably no TU support for her and I would very much doubt that she would register well with members.  Prospect of YC becoming leader = nil.  That said, she is regarded as the more talented of her household.
Equally, the PLP support that was there for Harman during the DL campaign has fallen away significantly.  The initial swipe by Brown, giving her a nothing job, followed by a few serious errors of judgement (eg the way she spun the Equalities legislation on Radio 4 on the morning of the Crewe by-election) have led many (including my boss) to come to the view that she has not really got what it takes.
There are only 3 candidates that the PLP are talking about with any enthusiasm, Miliband, Straw and Johnson.   

Re: Hmm...I smell a rat (#54)

A quick look at some of the people who've recommended this post:

  • nicelabour
  • lablad
  • kinnock 
  • labourite
  • lgtel
  • RomC
  • LondonLab
  • trial
  • Tankist

  • Hmm...quite a few unfamiliar names in there (except for Tankist who if I remember rightly is a blatant Tory)

    I can't help thinking that Mrs. Balls' office has been up to some mischief here.

    Because there's no way in hell that enough people in this party would be daft enough to consider Yvette Cooper as a realistic prospect for leader.


    Re: Hmm...I smell a rat (#55)

    Tankist is on of 'yours' isn't s/he?  A Milibandista, I'd have thought.

    But you're right, I've not seen many posts or comments from the others.

    Re: Hmm...I smell a rat (#58)

    Yep, there does seem to be a real problem of outsiders trying to reccomend negative stories. Another is JimUK who votes but never comments or writes stories.

    Re: Hmm...I smell a rat (#59)

    One for Jag and Alex quite urgently, I think.

    Re: A Genuinely (#57)

    She is so fresh that I have never heard of her and wouldn't know what she looks like.

    Re: A Genuinely (#60)

    Thissuggestion is obviously a tory plot to Make Labour even more unelectable.  Yvette Cooper.  You are 'avin' a larf.

    Mine's a double.

    Re: A Tory plot? not needed. (#62)

    A Tory plot to make Labour more unelectable?

    Who needs to plot when you are doing it all by yourselves... helped by unanimously choosing as Leader a man who polling said would be useless.. and then complaining when reality says he is useless..

    I think you are doing very well on your own: hence the silence from the Conservatives.

    Re: A Tory plot? not needed. (#63)

    Its no secret that the Tories want Brown to remain and see Labour plunge even further in the polls and the PM's personal popularity sink to new levels. But they'll be laughing on the other side of their face when they find themselves up against a new Labour Leader.

    Re: YVETTE COOPER (#66)

    Come on - surely your joking - YCooper for PM. Presume you mean to run the country, leadership role that sort of stuff. God help us. Dooomed Dooomed

    She's pretty good in her current job (#67)

    She's no leader (yet), but she went way up in my esteem after her performance in the Commons on 16 July. Give yourselves a treat and watch the video of her take the Tory's new oil price "yo-yo' apart:

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2008-07-16c.316.0&s=cooper+yo-yo#g329.0

    Re: She's pretty good in her current job (#68)

    Should she ever become leader she will be taken apart by the press non-stop.  They will just hammer on & on  about expenses and Ed Balls.

    Re: She's pretty good in her current job (#69)

    Read this article she wrote in yesterday's Guardian.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/aug/18/labour.conservatives

    She would last two mnutes in a logical debate..

    Also read the comments - I believe the Guardian has Labour supporting readers.. they are unimpressed.. as was I.