Doing Democracy with Dignity

Sometimes you lose elections. Long-term what is important is the grace and manner you accept this

The defining moment of the 1997 general election wasn't Gillian Shepherd looking sad. No, it was Michael Portillo being humiliated by a monster swing in the vote. For those who stayed up watching, what made it so delicious was that he had been on the election program earlier that night, participating in "discussions on who would succeed John Major" and clearly positioning so that the successor would be himself! It vwas pure hubris followed by nemesis.

The public really don't like disloyalty. They may tell you that they don't like so-and-so as leader, but then get annoyed when their party tries to remove them. The priviledge of removing people from office is the particular prerogative of the voter, and they get angry when it is usurped. Most voters on the left felt cheated when Margaret Thatcher was removed - they had been looking forward to defeating her at the ballot box.

We are currently in midst of a media frenzy about the leadership of the Labour party, and there are many reasons why we should resist changing leader: It's not our tradition. If a change of leader brought change of policy, this would pose problems as we are bound by the 2005 manifesto for this parliament. We're not ready as a party to hold the inevitable general election that would follow. Holding the leadership election this side of a general election would exclude many promising candidates. There are logistical problems too - who would be caretaker PM while the leadership election would be held? Are we really expecting Gordon Brown to do this?

But the most important reason not to do this is that the public will despise us for it. Thrashing about in a bloodied frenzy to hold onto power is deeply unattractive. We would lose our USP as the party of loyalty and decency. Let the Tories and Lib-Dems change leaders every two years. We do not do this. We have made many compromises to get to government, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Let it be here, else we lose our soul and become exactly like the Tories.

No one is in power forever, not in democracies anyway. It's not defeatist to acknowledge this. A party's long-term future depends on how gracefully it bows to the public will. I would prefer that the Labour party went into the next election stoically, with dignity and united. Yes, the MPs will be metaphorically going to their deaths, just like the Spartans at Thermopylae - but the lesson of Thermopylae is that they lost that battle, but won the long-term war against the Persians.

The public are furious with us (and the rot started with Iraq). We should simply bow our heads and let them know that we will accept what they dish out at the ballot box and spend the next two years trying to conduct a "good exit". 

It will draw the anger, and perhaps mitigate our defeat, because once Labour has accepted we will lose, the attention will inevitably shift towards the Conservatives.  Who knows, nostalgia for Labour could even settle in before we leave office.   

We've actually been in this position before. In the early 80's, Michael Foot struggled to control egotists like Tony Benn who felt they were more important than the party. The Alliance was over 50% in the polls and Labour looked like being obliterated with David Owen smugly telling everyone that the Labour party was "finished".

The party could have ditched Michael Foot, but grimly soldiered on. Then came the Falklands war. If it rescued Thatcher, it rescued Labour too, as Michael Foot was brilliant in parliament, asking why the Conservatives had allowed it to happen, demanding to know they were going to do about it, and supporting the action to get the islands back. The Alliance were indifferent to the war, regarding it as a waste of time - and their ratings dropped. Labour survived as the main opposition to fight another day. Anyone can be ahead in the polls as a blank slate. But voters make the hard choice on policies and on the behaviour of the party. Labour's loyalty and decency was preferable to the Alliance's smug self-importance. 

Events and how you conduct yourself are everything in politics. There are two years to go before our time is up. Anything could happen. The only thing we can control is how we behave, and we have to behave well if we're to have a future. That means staying united, not turning on each other, and accepting the will of the public with grace. Who knows, if we behave well, voters might even change their minds and reward us with an unexpected win.


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Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#1)

I'll resist the temptation to comment on the (even recent) historical stuff.  I come back on every slur against Tony Benn on these pages I'll spend my life doing it!

However, on your substantive point: it's all very well, but what are we going to do with those two years.  In the end that's all that matters.  Some of the younger people on here won't really remember opposition, but I spent my youth dreaming of having a Labour government - even two years of it.  And the idea that we basically sit tight and bide our time for two years is enormously depressing.  So, incidentally, is the idea that we bring in a load of half-thought-out welfare policies, etc. that wouldn't look out of place in Cameron's manifesto.

The leadership issue is an irrelevance if it's just about whether Brown, Miliband, Purnell, Straw or Cruddas would be a prettier face to do nothing and manage the scale of the defeat in two years time.  The issue is policy.

The real way in which people might just choose to stay our execution in two years' time is if we've done something worthwhile.  But it's got to be something worthwhile and Labour - something that Cameron's tories wouldn't do.  We need to give people a reason to vote for us.

Nothing wrong with being dignified, but don't mistake it for being fatalistic.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#2)

The leadership issue is an irrelevance if it's just about whether Brown, Miliband, Purnell, Straw or Cruddas would be a prettier face to do nothing and manage the scale of the defeat in two years time.


But that's exactly the terms it's all being talked about. A prettier face.

In my opinion, to change direction potential candidates will need a good two years to have a think and slowly formulate and test ideas out. It can't be done in a couple of months. (New Labour itself took six years to form, the initial idea of just presentation changes didn't wotrk out).  This is why rushing things will do no good at all. I'd rather that all the potential candidates spent time thinking hard, and then after the next general election they each put forward some meaty ideas and we can have a proper debate. 

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#5)

I agree those are the terms that are being used.  If there were to be a contest, I wouldn't support any of those people I named for that precise reason: none of them represent a real changed from the approach that's led us into the current crisis.  But the status quo is no better.

We need good policy ideas now, to make use of the precious gift which is two years in government.

If Gordon's going to do something with these two years - something that will make a real difference to people's lives - then I'm all for letting him get on with it.  But if he's going to do very little except bring in Purnell's rubbish and hope for the Tories to slip up (in order to regain power, but again with no vision about what to do with it) then I have reached the stage where I can't really see the point.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#3)

Half your candidates will no longer be MPs if the current polling continues to the Next GE.

As the economy is not going to saty still, nor will the polling. It will improve or deteriorate with the economy.

No more Tory boom and bust? Wait for the 2009 recession.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#4)

Tories have been predicting recession for each of the last eleven years. No one ever got rich taking the Tories seriously on their economic predictions!

Regarding potential candidates, some will survive, some won't, it will depend on events and work on the ground. Two years is a age in politics. Anything could happen.

I'm also of the opinion that the next iteration of Labour needs to be subtly different from New Labour. My problem with Miliband is that he is offering more of the same, in much the manner the Tories were ever more uber after 97.  Given that one of the criticisms of Gordon Brown is that he didn't change enough after Blair, this is dangerous stuff for us. 

It's better we go down with dignity and have a proper think, rather than be reactionary and have a leadership election now. 

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#6)

Snowflake 5, it is all very well talking about loyalty and decency, but marching blindly towards an electoral armageddon is neither loyalty nor decency, it is just stupidity. Some contributors on here are going for the 1983 approach - if the voters tell you things you don't want to hear, just stuff cotton wool in your ears, and keep doing what you're doing.

I worry that too many of us are in denial about just how bad things have got. Our national equivalent vote share in the local elections in May was lower than the Tories in 1995. Brown's personal ratings are worse than Major's after Black Wednesday. The Tories only went under 30% in the ICM poll twice in that period, we've been stuck there for months.

We all know what happened in 1997; the Tories won 164 seats. Using the same measure, we are looking at 120-140 seats next time, and the loss of two-thirds of our parliamentary party. That would probably guarantee the Tories three terms in government as you cannot pull a 200+ seat majority back in one go or even two.

Just imagine what they would do with a decade in office and a huge majority; all the things Thatcher and Major didn't have the bottle to do last time. Do you think there'd be an NHS, or a welfare state, at the end of it? You only have to read ConHome or PoliticalBetting to see the true face of Toryism hiding behind the Cameron mask.

With the global economy being so bad, it's going to be really difficult. That makes it all the more important that we have a leader with the personality, the communication skills and the political nous to connect with the public. As an ultra-loyalist party member (see some of my previous posts) it pains me to say it, but I don't think we've got that now.

A case in point - I think most of us realise that increasing car tax to encourage more environmentally friendly vehicles is right in principle, but at a time when petrol prices have increased 25% in the space of a year anyone should be able to see that it will be political poison.

Sentimentality, misplaced loyalty and a belief that we have to be 'nice' should not get in the way of doing what we need to do to safeguard the future of this party and prevent the worst excesses of a future Tory government.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#7)

JoeRoberts, I'm not in denial about what is happening. On the contrary I am clear eyed about our current position, not only with Gordon as leader, but with anyone else as leader too. I not only think things are bad, but they are so bad that changing the leader will make things worse.

The public mood is very ugly at the moment. The more we assert we can win, the more determined they get to cut us down to size in a paroxysm of rage. And yes, they arn't thinking rationally or assessing what a Conservative government might do, just about how to sock it to Labour. And the more we lecture and talk and tell them we can still win, the more emotional they get and the more the viciousness towards us builds.

I'm afraid the "let's change the leader" brigade is the one in denial if they think changing the man at the top is a quick fix. I refer you to the response to David Miliband in the Guardian today - he's attracted a level of bile that even poor old Gordon doesn't get.

And it's because the public is in the grip of a rage.  The best thing to do in the circumstances is to bow our heads and stoically take it. It's reverse psychology if you like but if we simply acknowledge that we are unpopular and start preparing for a good exit, there is nothing for people to be angry at anymore, people will cool and start to look closely at the Conservatives instead.


You cite what happened to the Tories in 1997 - that result was precisely because to the end they kept plotting and trying to topple the leader in the belief that the leader was the problem. They simply refused to acknowledge that something fundamental was wrong. They had a leadership election in 1995, for pete's sakes. And even after '97 they were in denial. Another four more leadership elections ensued.  

Let's not do that in Labour. How you lose elections is as important as how you win them. If we are dignified at the prospect of loss, then we might not lose at all. At worst, if we handle this right, we'll be out for one term. But we can only do that if we don't irritate the public further. Toppling the leader and installing someone who wants more of the same would be such an irritation, and if we allow it to build, then we really will be out for a decade.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#8)

There is a lot in this.  The corollary is that Gordon should call a general election sooner rather than later. Clinging on for two more years when the party is unpopular and the leader despised is simply going to make the defeat much worse.  If the Tories are going to mess up, the sooner the electorate finds out the better.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#9)

But this is assuming that we have to lose (as it Snowflake's post).  Two years of Labour government is (or can be) a precious thing - or should be.  Imagine what someone would have said in 1924 if people had said, 'I can't really think what to do and people hate us, shall we just give up?'

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#10)

No, producing a "good exit" will take two years. Going to the electorate now, while we are in disaray will produce a landslide defeat.

The idea is we simply acknowledge reality, tell the public that we are winding down and that we will spend the next two years putting in place such legislation that will protect our people from a Tory administration. The attention will then inevitably focus on the Conservatives as people start to wonder what their administration will be like.

It's imperative we don't call an election till the public is fully aware of what a Tory administration will do, so the voters are making their decision in full knowledge. It would be irresponsible for us to let the public elect a blank slate (in the manner of the Alliance of the 80's) without scutiny.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#11)

The idea, in a democracy, is that you trust people to make the right decisions at elections, and that you don't cling onto power when it is blindingly obvious that you have negligible support from the electorate.  Carrying on with Gordon for another 22 months, or changing leader again without an election, will earn the undying contempt of the electorate.  It would be the opposite of "doing democracy".

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#13)

In our parliamentary system we have five year terms. It's you who have contempt for the system when you claim we should go to the electorate after just three years.

Of course our opponents do have contempt for the system - but it's only visible once we in Labour take a step back, as you've nicely illustrated! 

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#12)

ANy suggestion of democarcy being associated with Labour is quesytionable: the coroantion of one leader, the West Lothian Question and the non referendum suggest you do not believ in it when it does not suit you.. (see also the many posts on PR on this site.. solely to "prevent the Tories winning").

Now I'm not really serious on the above before you all explode.. BUT it sure makes a good case for a certain contempt for democracy.

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#14)

<h1>Why is New Labour so worried about elections?</h1>
Before the degrading spectacle of candidates coyly jockeying for position gets worse, the party needs to invite open debate on the leadership – with voters

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/31/labourleadership.labour?gusrc=rss&feed=polit ics

Re: Doing Democracy with Dignity (#15)

" ANy suggestion of democarcy being associated with Labour is quesytionable: the coroantion of one leader"

I don't recall Michael Howard becoming the leader of your party via an election.