Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: fraudulent and useless?

So the National Policy Forum has spoken.  It had the opportunity - even the duty - to be relevant and help transform the party in the interests of winning in 2010.  Instead, it seems to have joined the parliamentary upper echelons in conceding the arguments to Tories.

The press has reported this terribly badly.  But then they always do.  They reported the beginning of the process of CLPs submitting amendments to the policy documents with great fanfares after the local elections (turning it, as they so often do, into a personal story about Gordon Brown, rather than a story about our internal policy-making structures).  The same reporters seem to have missed that this was the conclusion of the same process - the NPF was instead turned into a process where 'the unions' met with 'the party' to issue demands, most of which 'the party' 'successfully' rejected.

This is a bizarre narrative, and had nothing to do with the reality.  Unfortunately though, it would seem the union leaders did backroom deals (not terribly good ones) and won one or two slight concessions in exchange for supporting some exceptionally right-wing policies.  But in this they were not supporting 'the party' but the leadership.

After all, the party submitted amendments in great numbers.

How many were submitted saying they wanted Purnell's new welfare reform proposals?  Any CLPs going to tell us that they put in those amendments?  Or what about an extention of city academies, or the Darzi report health reforms?   I spoke to quite a few CLP activists about the amendments that they submitted and I don't recall those.

I know a hell of a lot were sent in about council housing - anything come from them?  Temporary and Agency Workers (I understand there have been slight advances there, presented - of course - as party concessions to union demands, rather than as the movement winning one or two small crumbs from the leadership, which would be a more realistic representation); basic trade union rights (hardly anything); change to age and the minimum wage (I understand it the adult rate will come in at 21 rather than 22 - again presented as a concession to 'union demands').  People sent in amendments about welfare and education - but the ones I saw were all quite contrary to the decisions at Warwick.

How did the process work?  I really want an NPF rep to come onto Labour Home and explain it.  We sent in all those amendments.  I made our poor CLP secretary spend a whole evening typing ours into the computer system.  I know Save the Labour Party maintained some manner of repository of amendments on the MemberNet website, people attached to some of the internal pressure groups copied the groups into their amendments (e.g. lengthy emails to the LRC, etc.).  But of course there will have been other amendments that we're unaware of, as they carefully avoided all requests for transparency.

What happened to the amendments?  I lobbied my local NPF reps and I got some replies saying they'd read our CLP's submissions.  But what happened after they read them?  There were huge numbers of them, some of them on similar themes.  For all the horrors of compositing, would it not have been logical for us to be invited to be involved in coming to a common form of words?  Should we not understand the process by which amendments were accepted or rejected?  (Were any accepted?)  Was any attention given to the weight of amendments?  If there were 600 amendments saying we should invest in council housing and 3 saying we should reduce the voting age to 16, did that have an impact?

This was another missed opportunity.  When I was at school and when I was an undergraduate, I dreamed of two years of Labour government.  Yet we seem determined to do nothing with the next two years - certainly very little that wouldn't just as at home on Cameron's manifesto (indeed some of the proposals certainly will be there) - and seem determined not to have a vision for the future.  In so far as there is an embarrased groping for a vision, it is one that seems quite emphatically not to emerge from the passions, beliefs and desires of Labour Party members and supporters.

Yet, if we could have come up with something impressive, exciting, radical and emphatically Labour, we might just have been able to salvage things.  There'll be other opportunities, but they're rapidly running out.

In the end, if we can't influence policy, all that's left is personnel (and even then, we're only allowed a role if it has a guaranteed no-impact on policy).  And we're back to silly popularity contests like last year's deputy leadership elections.

Is it any wonder party membership is struggling?  I want to go out and get us some more members.  Just what should I say to potential members to persuade them?  Last year the recruiting campain was 'Join Us to Join In'.  Have we any new lies to try?

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Re: Partnership Out of Power (#1)

I certainly agree that we should find out how the NPF actually works, if there is any mechanism to the system at all. I suspect that all the big decisions are stitched up between Brown and his cronies sitting on the sofa.

When New Labour have finished triangulating it will be interesting to see what policy finally emerges on the manifesto.

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#3)

Hi Dunc,

I am really glad someone has decided to post a blog on policy rather than the frenzied speculation about a leadership contest (though I believe one is needed incorporating all wings of the party).

Does anyone have a full list of what was agreed at Warwick II?  There has been bits reported in the press but no concrete document like there was last time.  From, early indications it looks like Warwick II is much more timid than Warwick I.

At Warwick I a number of concessions where won including extending paid maternity leave to 12 months, as well as the extra 8 days bank holiday.  Nothing half as eye catching here.  Extention of unpaid parental leave to up to 16 year olds is very timid.  Also, is extending the minimum wage to 21 year olds.

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#5)

Duncan, as ever  you are absolutely right. I know many CLPs were (correctly) encouraged to join in the process and  indeed the LRC and  CLPD worked hard to turn a negative ( losing the right to vote last year at Conference) into a  positive. Let's not whinge - let's join in.
So what have  we got? as you say, some minor concessions. VERY minor. So what happened to the amendments?
The NPF, as far as I can gather, basically endorsed Purnell's disgraceful welfare reforms, 42 days, ID cards, nuclear power etc.
In short, a recipe for  more disaster. John Huttin asked a  few days     who did the unions represent. I would  like to know who the NPF represents. One thing's  for saure. It does not represent the grassroots mebers. So let's stop kidding ourselves. The whole thing is a sham. And  one more nail in the coffin for labour at the next election

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#6)

It amazes me that someboy as right wing as John Hutton could ever be allowed into a position of power within the Labour Party. I would say that I hope the shit looses his seat, but replacing a Tory in a red rossette with a genuine Tory is no improvement at all.

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#2)

"... and seem determined not to have a vision for the future..."

Labour is in a difficult position. Just how are they supposed to promote a tory vision of the future?

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#4)

With Conference seemingly rendered impotent and irrelevant the National Policy Forum should in theory be the party's most important meeting. I've not actually seen the detail yet (so maybe I am in for a pleasant surprise...) but I'm afraid I've never had any confidence in this process whatsoever and it is a great shame that the centre-left grassroots alliance ever had any truck with it.

Obviously we need a proper party conference restored and we should be campaigning on that (or we would if there were any democratic machinery left to campaign with). Because everything is top-down now the only realistic prospect for a restoration of democracy in the party is to have a leader committed to that.

It's going to be a long struggle to rebuild a democratic party.

(Funnily enough I think Cameron is itching to destroy the semi-autonomy of Conservative Associations and introduce a Blairite-style top down system. I hope he doesn't succeed because I don't think it is healthy for democracy in general).

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#7)

But I ask again, where is the detail???!!!!????

Last time it was made available straight away...  Remember, this is going to form the next manifesto.  We need to know what is in it.  Why is it not on the website?

Come on, surely someone on here can give us the full text of Warwick II.  Making this aware to members and supporters is more important than anything else being discussed on the site at present.

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#8)

You  may not want to  know the detail. My understanding is that these  nodding  muppets agreed everything from welfare reform to  Academies and  42 days. The amendments from  more  progressive  CLPs  basically ended   in the bin.

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#9)

Most people here seem to have already decided the whole thing was a sell out without bothering to find out what happened.  There was a substantial concensus document agreed between ministers and Trades unions.  You can see part at

http://www.sochealth.co.uk/news/npfconcensus08.htm

This is only the sections on health and public services, which is what I am most concerned with, and is a more coherent position than we had before. I think the agreement on Council Housing broke new ground. It will take a while for the full text to arrive because the whole process made huge demands on a depleted Party bureaucracy, many of whom got no sleep for 3 nights. The detail was certainly not available straight away last time.  I suggest you wait until you see if before you write off the process, which seemed to work much better this time round.  You might also want to reconsider support for a small group who claim to be very left wing, but actually seem distinctive only through their complete inability to negotiate.  

Re: Partnership Out of Power (#10)

How rude.

I primarily want to know what happened to CLP amendments, rather than hear various versions of the media obsession.

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: (#11)

Most of us have to realise, that things will have to change, if we are to get elected.  The NPF this time has failed, so again we need to get progressives elected to it.

John

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: (#12)

No we don't, we need a credible and democratic policy making body not a top-down and opaque infinitely manipulable sham travesty of democracy.

In short we need conference as the supreme policy making body of the party. It was never perfect but it was not completely controllable from the top in the way the NPF is.

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: fraudulen (#13)

At the moment the amendments agreed at Warwick will go to the Joint Policy Committee and then the final NPF documents will go to conference. I assume that all delegates will get copies as before.

I wish that the process was being watched and scrutinised more. It was a confusing process, as amendments from CLPS and Socialist Societies were negotiated with ministers while a parallel process went on with the unions. This has left some confusion as some of the different agreements were contradictory.

But two excellent achievements where the NPF supported amendments that have changed party policy - a 100% elected House of Lords and votes at 16. Also there is a minority position calling for an independent review of legal aid that will go to conference. So look out for these.

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: fraudulen (#14)

This is the sort of detail I was hoping for.

Were you there?  What was the actual process by which CLP amendments were considered?  I got the impression from one representative, that the regional reps whittled down local amendments, though tried to ensure that each CLP got at least one in.  The suggestion was that this was done 'apolitically' - but one can't help but suspect that my CLP's less controversial amendments on FE may have got there ahead of controversial ones on council housing, trade union rights or rail nationalisation (even though I know that a lot of CLPs submitted amendments on the latter).  Was any consideration given to the weight of amendments (i.e. if there were dozens of amendments saying broadly the same thing on a subject, did that sway the forum at all, or did they vote on political lines regardless?)

Hope you don't mind me quizzing you!

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF: fraudulen (#15)

When I say 'got at least one in' - I mean to be voted on, rather than actually into the final policy documents!

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF (#16)

I am not a CLP rep. But all CLP reps received all their regions' amendments from their CLPs and then (I think) got together to choose what to submit. I think all may have done something different but I think they saw themselves as a filter to decide what was reasonable/practical to put forward. I would again expect that an issue that received lots of amendments would be very odd for them not to put through. Suggest that every CLP asks their reps to account for which amendments they put forward and why. Some amendments were just accepted by government/policy officers/SPADs. Then on Day 1, there were 30 minute sessions set for people who had proposed/seconded amendments (which had not been accepted) to meet with the relevant ministers, advisers and policy officers. This was basically a process to see if any consensus wording could be agreed, whether the proposer would withdraw the amendment or whether they were going to push it to a vote. Some of these were more or less one proposer and a minister - other sessions had large numbers of similar amendments proposed. Then it was a case of seeing if there was one amendment or consensus wording they would all agree to. In most cases, consensus or withdrawal was achieved. But other issues went to the vote. Wholly-elected House of Lords and Votes at 16 were two examples which then got supported by the whole NPF, but most were rejected by the whole NPF. Amazing process isn't it? I thought the process worked quite well and was businesslike and realistic. But it is certainly true that the NPF is pretty loyal and followed the government line, especially with amendments from "usual suspects". However it was good that a few issues got through despite government not backing them. I wish more had.

 

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF (#17)

I do too.  I'm particularly worried about the notion of 'amendments from "usual suspects"'...  Presumably (unless everyone's sitting with a list of CLPs to marginalise!) this is based on the content.  So, in other words, if an amendment reads as if it might come from LRC/Campaign Group supporters, will it immediately be treated with suspicion?

It is an interesting and very complex system, I have to confess that I can't see anything remotely democratic in it.  The term filter, is an interesting one.  It seems almost to function as a filter combined with a giant compositing meeting.  A process by which an uncontroversial document can go to conference, to avoid those divisive debates and votes!

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF (#18)

By "usual suspects" I meant certain NEC members (clue: WW) who had most of the amendments which went to the vote as no consensus wording had been agreed. But bizarrely I would defend this as a very democratic process, albeit one that was well-managed and which did not have much stomach to change policies. Every CLP, the PLP, EPLP, LGA, trade unions, socialist societies, ete. elected their representatives on the NPF. These people are then empowered to make decisions about policy. They need to be held to account for their decisions, if they filtered amendments, why they did so, what they compromised one, etc.. But there is a process and it was pretty democratic. If I held out with an amendment and refused to compromise, I got to put it to a vote and maybe (as in one case) it gets passed. Admittedly it is representative democracy not referenda. There is also, don't forget, supposed to be a all member referendum on the final documents (although that i admit seems to be a ludicrous process as it can only be a YES or NO vote).

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF (#19)

But I voted for Walter.  I don't remember voting for many of these other people.

Re: Partnership Out of Power - the NPF (#20)

I think you had a vote for an NPF rep (or maybe your CLP delegate to conference did). I am a bit unsure on this process myself.....