Does America want a civil war in Iraq?

FreedomAndTruth Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 12:02:50 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

Do you agree with Harry Cohen MP, the member for Leyton and Wanstead, that:

  • The US is attempting to force civil war in Iraq?
  • The British are helping the US take over Iraq's assets?
  • US/UK failure to ensure security, humanitarian aid and economic investment?
  • US to stay in Iraq for the long term to rob the country of its resources?

His article is on the Socialist Campaign Group News website.

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Does America want a civil war in Iraq? | 6 comments (6 topical)

Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#1)

by Curlew on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 01:18:52 PM GMT

The US started to construct a naval base last year - it was always in for the longstretch :-
http://peakdepletion.blogspot.com/2007/11/iraq-us-navy-in-for-longstretch.html

With funny money a la Enron & Co and China competing at all levels, the US will need to take what they can to survive.  And a big country cornered like this is a very dangerous thing.


Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#2)

by Prbo on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:28:49 PM GMT

Do you agree with Harry Cohen MP, the member for Leyton and Wanstead, that:

  • The US is attempting to force civil war in Iraq?
  • The British are helping the US take over Iraq's assets?
  • US/UK failure to ensure security, humanitarian aid and economic investment?
  • US to stay in Iraq for the long term to rob the country of its resources?

No to all four questions.  It's a load of cobblers.


Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#3)

by jkitleft on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:25:00 PM GMT

I only agree with the third point.

The economy is the key. Unemployment is rife, and public services are delapidated. If this was mirrored in the UK, we would quickly have racial tensions and violence.


Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#4)

by swatantra on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:14:59 AM GMT

Call me a pessimist, but civil war will come anyway, despite who and whatever Govt of Iraq is in place. We might as well have it now and get it over and done with. The Allies are just postponing the inevitable. A strong leader has to emerge, because that is the way the Arabs do their politics.


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Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#5)

by jkitleft on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:57:32 PM GMT

I simply don't agree. Democracy isn't a Caucasian concept. We have had to fight for it, to alter it to become universal. And I think, despite all of the faults of FPTP, we have only really had a democracy for the lower house, since Attlee, after he ridded us of the institutional upper-class business and university constituencies.

The idea that "other people" (meaning non-white), don't want democracy is rediculous. Look at Burma, and how the vast majority of people want to rid the country of tyranny there. Look at Zimbabwe. Noone would have said these things about the South Koreans, or the South Africans, or the East Germans and Poles 20 years ago.

If you want any further proof that the Middle East wants democracy, look at Northern Iraq. Kurdistan have thrown off this Burkean isolationist rule that apparently says that non-Europeans are too savage to handle democracy. Why is it that even with a boycott and suicide bombings, there was an 80% turnout in Iraqi elections, compared to a 62% turnout in the UK?


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Re: Does America want a civil war in Iraq? (#6)

by AngryVoter on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:56:17 PM GMT

The US is attempting to force civil war in Iraq?

No, exactly what profitable idea would there be in creating a civil war within Iraq where coalition forces would be stuck in the middle? The only US politician right now suggesting a full on withdrawal [which would induce one] is Senator Barack Obama.

The British are helping the US take over Iraq's assets?

Security was an issue that showed up Tony Blair’s weakness in his attempt to emulate the Thatcher-Reagan relationship as well as his own ignorance on a foreign policy issue of this magnitude.

 Lets not forget also the Kurds who demanded the Iraqi Army be disbanded en-mass or they’d split away.

US to stay in Iraq for the long term to rob the country of its resources?

The United States has now spent more money in trying to secure Iraq than it will ever be able to get out of it in economics or resources, so no.

However, the US does have plans for some bases within Iraq. Four in total due to it’s strategic position and the way America usually has bases within it’s allies borders for liasing and training assistance purposes [See Georgia for an example of this since the Rose Revolution]

This is obviously looking more at the long term assistance and support for the Iraqi Army as well as act as a deterrent against the now uppity Iranian Islamic Republic, much in the same way the bases in Georgia act as a deterrent against the Russian Army coming crashing back into Georgia.

 

Also, now, to Jikitleft... I agree, the problem now is to try to stop apologizing for everything we do just because somebody shouts back.

Democracy can work across the world and once people get that right they become loathe to have it taken away, or will exercise it greatly because of a benign, benevolent ruler [Look at Kazakhstan where the president since 1991 has won every election and has been ruled fair by western observers to the point where there is an actual, genuine debate ongoing about making him President for Life]

ultimately only a very small portion of the Iraqi public did not turn out to exercise their right to vote, most of whom were later attached to the Mahdi Army, which is now trying to convert into a political party in exchange for giving up violence because they know, ultimately, they will loose against the new Iraqi Army.

[Which is a lot more proficient than people give it credit, especially Iraq Apologists such as Mr Cohen and Obama]

Also, on Democracy... it's oddly enough an Arab-Greek concept, certainly not Caucasian by any stretch of the imagination.


Does America want a civil war in Iraq? | 6 comments (6 topical)