Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does.

As of 2008 there has been a well documented crisis of overcrowding in Britain's prisons. The country has the highest rate of imprisonment in Europe, with 143 people per 100,000 of the population in gaol. The figure for Germany is 97 (who have a twenty million more populace), and for France 88. A policy focusing mainly on the criminal justice system has run up against its limits. Being tough on crime cannot be equated with being tough on the criminal. The Labour government has relied too heavily on the criminal justice system, primarily through their desperation to not be seen as 'weak on crime'. Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime isn't just a sound-bite, but, if elaborated properly, a sound policy principle.

Prisons may keep dangerous criminals away from the public for a while, but at some point those people will be released. It is well established in research literature that prisons are schools for crime, unless a very strong emphasis is put upon rehabilitation. Moreover, being locked up may exacerbate the problems of those with drug and mental health problems, of whom there are many among convicted reoffenders. The argument that prison doesn't work is based on re-offending and rehabilitation. Britain is jailing more people than ever before and jailing them for longer, this at a time when falling crime rates has continued on its twelve year trend. As for the much recited, usually, right wing rallying cry of 'build more prisons' to ease the prison over crowding; it fails to hold up under scrutiny. Wherever prisons are built, the Courts will make use of them. If no prison is handy, some other way of dealing with the offender will possibly be discovered. So what if they built more prisons? The courts will just use them more - more prisons, more prisoners, overcrowding maintained. It is odd that its usually the right wing that is desperate for more prisons. Where did the days go when they actually wanted to minimise wasted public sector expenditure?

And now to the interesting bit. A variety of studies have proven that there is an inverse relationship between rates of imprisonment and welfare spending. Countries with the most generous welfare systems have the lowest proportions of people in prison, and the lowest rates of crime more generally. It is relatively easy, in my eyes, to see why this should be so. A well-functioning welfare system protects people against extreme poverty and loss of income, as well as cultivating a sense of solidarity with the wider community. In Sweden and Finland, both providing generous welfare states, rates of imprisonment have actually declined in recent years, whereas Britain is the only developed country where higher rates of welfare expenditure, since 1997, has gone along with higher rates of imprisonment.

David Downes and Kirstine Hansen, 'Welfare and punishment in comparative perspective', in S. Armstrong and L. McAra eds, Perspectives on Punishment (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006) wrote:

These results suggest the existence of a negative association between welfare spending and imprisonment across countries. Those countries that spent more of their GDP on welfare in 1998 had lower imprisonment rates. This suggests to me that Britain has to get rid of its punitive criminal justice system and public obsession with frequent and sustained prison sentencing.

... Thus, these results indicate that countries which increased the share of their GDP spent on welfare saw relative declines (or smaller increases) in their prison population.


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Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#1)

Quite an interesting post...!  I'm not sure that's the obvious conclusion one should draw from this.  True, something needs to be done about the prison population, and it isn't necessarily about building more prisons. 

The answer has to be more towards rehabilitation and restorative justice in my view, building on tackling the causes of crime (family breakdown, poverty, drugs, gang violence etc).  I don't think that simply 'increasing welfare spending' per se is the answer.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#2)

Spend money on people out side jail.Transfer the money to an  agencey for helping people to  stay out of jail.The lower the prison numbers the more monney the new agency would have. I WOULD let out of jail any one serving two years and under. THE MONEY saved for afirst start be transferd to the new agency to help support and help people.There would be alot of monney to start with.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#3)

Prison should be for the worst offenders: murderers, child abusers, rapists, terrorists, violent offenders etc.

I think we should get companies to start entrepeneurship schemes for prisoners. Prisoners are locked up in cells for 23 hours a day, doing nothing. Many prisons have seen successful schemes whereby companies like Toyota, have funded mechanical workshops, and when prisoners are released, are then employed by them. That makes you safer.

And if we know anything from our schools, and hospitals, it is that if a school has a poor physical (literally speaking) structure, then it won't do well. In schools that are falling apart, so will the results of the children. If prisons are overcrowded, prisoners are more likely to commit suicide and be raped anyway, but if we slah prison numbers, we can dramatically increase spending on the rehabilitation, and education of a prisoner. Schemes such as making sure staff explain the institution routine clearly, which slashes prison suicides on the first night, can only be done by dramatically increasing the funding for programmes and staff.

It isn't that £100,000 is too much to spend on a prisoner, it's that our overcorwed prisoners stop it being spent effectively. The government has a track record of tackling this, so why not on prisons? They knew in 1997 that massive NHS waiting lists, and high class sizes stop money being spent effectively. They still have more work to do on the second problem.

Look at Feltham, it has been turned around since the scandals of racist murders, and suicides. Ofsted gives its education centres high excellence ratings. But when 80% of kids walk out to no fixed abode, this is an inequality we must tackle. If 80% are still drug addicted, illiterate, unskilled, and homeless, this leaves everyone more at risk of crime. When iliteracy rates in prisons are 50%, it suggests a defenite correlation between the failings of our education system, and crime.

I can't remember who said it, but a senior prison inspector once said, "Two-thirds of prisoners should be let out, and the other third should never be let out." Why are 40% of female prisoners in prison for shoplifting? And another 30% for drug offences? There is a direct correlation between the fact that a third of kids in prisons have come out of care homes. I think we should get Camilla Batmanjilidh to roll out a series of Kid's Company centres across Britain, with special links with the Youth Justice Board to help rehabilitate young offenders. Her centre has a 90% success rate.

The shocking statistics don't end. A quarter of female prisoners have been in care homes, half had been beaten by their partners, 40% had dropped out of school before the age of 16. I am an anti-theist, but I believe it is in one of the holy scriptures where the phrase 'violence begats violence' appears (correct me if I'm wrong), and if so is one of the wisest phrases to come out of the holy books.

If anyone thinks that rehabilitation is a whole lot of money for little results, and just uncomfortable nimbies who don't want to punish 'evil criminals', then consider statistics like these. An initiative called the Milton Keynes Retail Theft Initiative, getting shoplifters to meet shop owners who are the victims of theft, teaching them skills to resist peer pressure etc. was launched in 1995. It had a 3% reoffending rate. That's not a misprint. Just 3%.

I think those who commit non-violent offences should peform community sentences, which are less expensive, and far more effective.

Liverpool has had a fascinating scheme. When prisoners are released, many end up in NFA, which is a revolving door back to prison, as it makes it so much harder to get a job etc. If Brown was serious about his 'work is the best welfare' work ethic, he would nationally roll out this scheme: prisoners re-build derelict, and abandoned housing stock, and then move into the houses themselves. Consequently, prison suicides crashed, and reoffending rates drop significantly.

I think we should let some prisoners vote. Quickly, for many marginal MP's, it would be a big issue. Most prisoners complain that they are not close enough, for their WAGS and children to visit. The best way to stop many men reoffending is to keep a dame nearby. Prisoners aren't complaining about pool tables, but the lack of drug rehabs, job training, and adequate housing once released.

There are around 6,000 prisoners on remand-who haven't been charged for any crime. 12,000 prisoners annually are found not guilty of any crime, after being on remand. The government should reverse the abolition of the independent prisons inspectorate.

There are 8,000 prisoners who inspectors say need to be immedietly sectioned. There are 10,000 in for either selling soft drugs, or taking/possessing them. 2,000 people are in prison for being too poor to pay their fines, and their are 1,000 sex workers in prison. WHY ARE THEY THERE???

The legalisation of drugs would see massive saving for our criminal justice system. Rhys Jones would still be alive if gangs in Toxteth hadn't been warring over heroin supplies. Furthermore, if you were to roll out heroin prescription, burglaries could be slashed by around a half: in Switzerland, it saw burglaries crash by 70%. Scotland Yard says 95% of guns come from the drugs trade. Milton Friedman estimated that 10,000 gun deaths in the US are a result of drugs prohibition. When guns are prohibited, the price, like any prohibited item soars. Handguns can be bought for £200, machine guns for £4000. Friedman estimated that say, heroin, is at a 3,000% inflated price. This makes access of gangs to the gun trade 3,000% more likely, and a heroin addict is 3,000% more likely to rob your house, or mug an old lady.

Tough on crime, and tough on the causes of crime can be congruent. ASBO's should be combined with massive funding for the child to help them become skilled or properly educated.

Overall, the way to tackle crime, is 'Education, Education, Education'.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#4)

More unequal societies have higher rates of crime - and many other expensive social problems too.  This can be demonstrated across US states - the states with higher rates of inequality have higher crime rates and more prisons.  And worse life expectancy.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#5)

You are confusing two quite different things here.

It may well be the case that countries that spend more on welfare also tend to imprison fewer criminals, but that does not necessarily mean that they have less crime as has been assumed above. Indeed according to the European Crime and Safety Survey, "No association was found between indicators of wealth or economic equality and levels of overall crime." and "Within the European context, levels of common crime seem to be neither associated with poverty nor with national wealth."  It is therefore quite inaccurate to state that "Countries with the most generous welfare systems have ... the lowest rates of crime more generally."

This does not mean to say that there shouldn't be a debate about extent to which we should be imprisoning offenders, or indeed about how to tackle crime in general. It's just that we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that spending an extra percentage point or two of GDP on welfare will magically reduce overall crime levels.

See 'The burden of crime in the EU : A comparative analysis of the European Crime and Safety Survey (EU ICS) 2005' which can be found at http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.gov.uk/statistics/statistics060.htm

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#6)

But there does appear to be a correlatin between having a strong welfare state and lower crime. And thank you for the link, I shall read the study in due course.

Several studies have found that higher welfare expenditures seem to be associated with less rather than more crime (see DeFronzo 1996; Grant and Martinez 1997; Hannon 1997 and Zhang 1997 for a few examples). Most of these researchers interpret their findings as supporting the anomie theory, they suggest that deprivation is less intense in areas with more generous welfare allocations. For example, DeFronzo states, "anomie theory implies that poor residents in cities with higher levels of welfare assistance will be less frustrated and, therefore, less likely to commit property crimes". Messner and Rosenfold emphasise the other side of Merton's concept of anomie, namely American society’s preoccupation with economic goals. They suggest that America's high crime rates stem not only from denial of the access to the 'American Dream', but also the nature of the dream itself. More specifically, they argue that the cultural obsession with individual achievement and monetary success encourages a mentality of "by any means necessary" and the "the anomie pressures inherent in the American dream are nourished and sustained by a distinctive institutional balance of power dominated by the economy". Thus, they suggest that governmental efforts to curb the dominance of the market forces by providing guarantees for minimal levels of well-being will be associated with lower rates of serious crime. Messner and Rosenfold contend that welfare could promote a crime-reducing course that emphasises collective rights and obligations. They suggest that the crime-diminishing impact of generous welfare occurs not simply due to its effect in reducing economically generated frustration, but that welfare lessens the "effects of exposure to criminogenic strains", increases "the likelihood that criminals will turn away from a criminal pathway", and is often a "precondition for effective social control."

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#7)

Presumably you mean such works as;

James DeFronzo, Welfare and Burglary, Crime & Delinquency, Vol. 42, No. 2, 223-230 (1996)

D.S. Grant and R. Martinez Jr., Crime and the Restructuring of the U.S. Economy: a Reconsideration of the Class Linkages Social Forces, Vol. 75, 1997

Joan Underhill Hannon, Shutting down welfare: Two cases from America's past, The Quarterly Review of Economics and Finance, Volume 37, Number 2, Summer 1997

Junsen Zhang, The Effect of Welfare Programs on Criminal Behavior: A Theoretical and Empirical Analysis, Economic Inquiry, (January 1997) 35(1)

That research is all based solely on data from the US. The researchers who carried out the European Crime and Safety Survey were well aware of this American research, which is why they prefaced their conclusions with such phrases as "Within the European context".

This is what I mean by confusing two quite different things. You have taken the results of research into the different levels of welfare provision and criminal offences across the US (where welfare tends to vary state by state), together with statistics about the different levels of imprisonment across Europe, and reached a conclusion which isn't supported by the evidence.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#8)

It is true to say that when poverty increases, crime increases though.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#9)

No it isn't, actually. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't; there is no such simplistic relationship between poverty and crime. In any case "Recorded crime rose tenfold in England and Wales between 1950 and 1994, and recorded robberies increased by 48 times" (see Recent Advances In Crime And Criminal Justice Statistics In The UK, www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/advances_crimestats_uk03.pdf). That increase in crime wasn't down to increased poverty, and if poverty caused crime there wouldn't be any such a thing as 'white-collar crime'.  

The point I'm trying to make is that 'Welfare works' is just as simplistic and wrongheaded as 'Prison Works'. It's all far more complicated than that.

Re: Prison doesn't work, but Welfare does. (#10)

It is not poverty but inequality which generates crime.  They aren't the same.  Poorer but more equal societies have lower rates of crime than richer and more unequal ones.  And better life expectancy too.