It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!!

Free Radical Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:35:55 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

According to a pole by ICM for the Mail on Sunday the Sun's ex-editor Kelvin MacKenzie would attract only 14% of the vote in Haltemprice & Howden compared with 67% for David Davis. Apparenty MacKenzie is having second thoughts about standing. Wot a shocker!!





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It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! | 16 comments (16 topical)

Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#1)

by jkitleft on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM GMT

Maybe Brown should take this as a sign.....end Murdoch's monopoly.


Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#2)

by swatantra on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:04:48 PM GMT

Politicians should beware taking on 'the media' because they will invariably lose. Its best to 'work with them' and get them on your side.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#4)

by Free Radical on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:37:17 PM GMT

But politicians and the media have very different roles - although in the Westminster bubble they can get undesirably cosy perhaps. Politicians represent the people and the media hold the politicians to account in a complementary way to the electorate... or at least they should. The age of "spin" has unfortunately reduced that kind of clarity of roles and blurred a number of boundaries. (I think this in part accounts for the way people become turned off by politics). 

Italy provides a terrible warning of the media penetrating politics and threatening democracy.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#3)

by oratorhunt on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:14:37 PM GMT

David Davis - supported by his own constituents shocker...


Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#5)

by NorthernMonkey on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:28:26 PM GMT

Exactly! The shocking part of the results is that Davis' poll ratings are so low. If those polls are correct, a third of the vote in his own safe seat is going to loony "Hull's an absolute shocker" MacKenzie, Miss Yorkshire and the Monster Raving Loony Party!


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#6)

by Free Radical on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:43:12 PM GMT

Well the 14% support for MacKenzie is hardly impressive if you were to believe that the public were overwhelmingly in favour of the 42 days imprisonment without charge provisions, as our PM believes.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#11)

by NorthernMonkey on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:37:00 AM GMT

You're assuming that everyone who supports 42 days would automatically vote for the repugnant MacKenzie.

Plenty of Tory voters support 42 days, but the vast majority of them will still back Davis since he has Tory next to his name.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#13)

by Floating voter on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:08:39 PM GMT

" The shocking part of the results is that Davis' poll ratings are so low"

If anything, his poll rating are up. At the last election Davis got 47.5% of the vote and the Lib Dem got 36%

Labour got 12.7% and McKenzie's doing better than that!  


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#15)

by NorthernMonkey on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:33:42 PM GMT

His poll ratings are up? He's not fighting against a Labour or LibDem candidate for goodness sake! When Miss Yorkshire's his main opponent, anything less than 95% is deeply embarrassing.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#7)

by otware on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:09:25 AM GMT

To be honest I'm coming round to the idea of supporting DD in this. He's undermining a terrible, mangled, useless, anti-liberal, tabloidesqe, right wing piece of legislation and taking a swipe at both Brown and Cameron in the process.

Obviously the whole thing is just a waste of public money though. It's going to cost the tax payer a fortune and it is largely (but I don't think completely) down to DD's ego. Nevertheless he insists on standing, and on the issue of 42 days I would vote for him hoping he would do damage to Cameron in the future. 


Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#8)

by Free Radical on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:34:53 AM GMT

Well that's the conclusion that I've arrived at today. And I am encouraged by Bob Marshall-Andrews stand, and I believe another Labour MP. Then of course DD will be supported by Liberty. This issue is just too important for narrow party politics. For me the money is small beer compared to civil liberties.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#9)

by ppbarrett on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:00:27 AM GMT

But surely if this was just about civil liberties, Davis would sit tight and wait (which, as a Labour member, is a negative view to take, but realistic unfortunately) until he's home secretary. From that position he could take a swipe at all the infringements on civil liberties he's been pontificating about recently - DNA database, CCTV, the lot!

 He should have been licking his lips at the prospect of being able to make all those radical and progressive changes which would restore the liberties he feels have been ripped from us - not resigning!

 I applaud the tenacity and the bravery, but he must have derailed the cause by resigning from a position which could have allowed him to change things. He has turned away from what he (supposedly) is so passionate to see in order to be the public martyr who will achieve nothing, or at least, significantly less than he would have done if he were home secretary.

 If that was the only motivation, then he would/should have waited and remained patient. Clearly there must have been something alterior to civil liberties which caused him to tender his resignation.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#10)

by Free Radical on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:08:50 AM GMT

I understand what you are saying. And it is interesting that Shami Chakrabarti tried to dissuade Davis from resigning.

We can speculate about his motivations, but to me he seemed utterly sincere, and very angry about what has happened. I am very angry too.

It was obviously a huge gamble but, already he has, it seems, consolidated a Tory commitment to repeal the 42 days legislation, and wrong-footed the Labour front-bench. Plus his replacement is Grieve whose libertarian credentials are impeccable I believe.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#12)

by jkitleft on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:45:42 AM GMT

Well Grieve has consistantly voted against gay rights, compromising his libertarian credentials that the opposition seem to talk about.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#14)

by Free Radical on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:57:14 PM GMT

Yes, in using the word 'impeccable' I was thinking of the aspects of civil liberties and justice, but I accept what you say completely. I think Davis has opposed gay rights too. And of course I don't share their views on these and many other issues. 

It is complicated, and I oppose these right-wing Tories in most respects. But, personally I feel the 42 days issue, and indeed the rest of the encroachment of civil liberties is too important to consider in a narrow party political way. Like Iraq, peace, the environment, you sometimes end up with strange allies.


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Re: It's The Sun Wot Wouldn't Win It!! (#16)

by AngryVoter on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 05:43:52 PM GMT

What's that sound I hear? That the sound of crunching gears as the Murdoch Empire squeals into reverse?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/kavanagh/article686412.ece

Ooooh, and I think I definately hear it now.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/fergus_shanahan/article539512.ece

"Beep, Beep. Warning, this Aussie-owned rag is reversin!" 


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