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Back Down, Mr Brown, the Lisbon Treaty is OFFICIALLY Dead (thank you Ireland)

FreedomAndTruth Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:57:18 PM GMT Facebook

It is 'Black Friday' for the European Union as the Irish have rejected the Lisbon Treaty by 53.4% versus 46.6% who voted for.

The Irish Times has an interactive map of how the votes went and also quotes the Luxembourg Premier and Finance Minister Jean-Claude Juncker as saying, "the defeat of the Lisbon Treaty represents a new 'European crisis'."

A crisis for the EU tends to be good news for freedom and common sense!

Libertas, who campaigned for a 'No' vote, listed eight reasons why, stating that a 'Yes' vote would hand over power in 60 areas of decision making to Brussels and that EU law would be superior to Irish law.

That would have been a crisis!

Open Europe's director, Neil O'Brien, said: "This is a resounding victory on behalf of ordinary people across Europe over an out-of-touch and arrogant political elite."

Despite EU law stating that all member states must accept a treaty for it to be ratified, Britain has already told other EU member states that it will complete the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty whatever the result of Ireland's referendum.

"It is the intention of this government to complete the legislative programme that it has begun on the Lisbon Treaty," a cabinet official in London stated (Reuters). According to the BBC Europe Correspondent Mark Mardell, Gordon Brown has telephoned President Sarkozy to reassure him that the British Government will ignore Irish voters.

Whatever happens, I am convinced that with less than one hundredth of the EU's electorate, the Irish vote will not get in the way of a federal Europe.

We must use this Irish vote to put an end to the globalists' dream (our nightmare) of a one world government by stealth through creating continental superstates, where national sovereignty, even national identity and every freedom, is forfeited.

I read in today's Telegraph that the UN says that the UK should hold a referendum on whether we should have a monarchy. It was the Sri Lankan envoy who raised concerns about this. Syria accused the UK of discriminating against Muslims and Iran complained about our record on sexual discrimination.

You couldn't make it up.

Let us ditch the EU; dismantle the UN; convict the war criminals and then we will make our laws and everyone else can make their laws and we can concentrate on living in freedom and international cooperation can be achieved by free peoples coming together in love and without the grudges and suspicions that politicians and their unholy alliances create.

(Stewart Cowan)

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Back Down, Mr Brown, the Lisbon Treaty is OFFICIALLY Dead (thank you Ireland) | 11 comments (11 topical)

Re: Nonsense (#1)

by jkitleft on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:19:25 PM GMT

I'm EU sceptic myself, but this treaty represented not a new Europe at all. It was completely insignificant. It was not a people's treaty, but a civil servants' treaty.

I'm also critical of the UN.

But your dream is a pipe dream, it is unworkable.

Re: Back Down, Mr Brown, (#2)

by NorthernMonkey on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:50:17 PM GMT

Sounds like my idea of hell. Thankfully, as said above, this is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Both the EU and UN need reform, but neither are in any danger of collapsing.

As for the Irish referendum result, I suspect the only people this will have any consequence for is the Irish themselves. Either the Treaty will be kept in full for the other 26 nations (with amendments for the Irish) or the Treaty will be scrapped but the vital reforms will just go ahead anyway without any official treaty.

Re: Back Down, Mr Brown, (#3)

by jkitleft on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:03:29 AM GMT

The EU needs new goals. There are three

1) Ending global poverty-the CAP should be scrapped immedietly
2) Ending tyranny-look at how we've coaxed and cajoled Turkey. The next goals should be helping the Mid-East peace process by negotiating for a free Kurdistan, as well as a Cyprus peace process, and accepting Eastern European countries in order to weaken the neo-Soviet stranglehold of Eastern Europe by Russia.
3) Tackling climate change

There are two reasons why the treaty lost:
1) Because the 'Yes' campaign was crap
2) Because it is a civil servants' treaty

I liked some of the reforms, like introducing QMV. I'm EU-sceptic in that I think our legislature needs to be independent, but that the EU should be used as a body to eliminate tyranny, poverty, and to tackle climate change. I'm ambivalent about the Euro. Currently, I would support it, as my opinion would be solely decided by its economic benefits.

The EU needs to be more democratic, and needs to have a new vision. It can't survive if it is percieved as determining the legislation of 27 countries.

As for the UN, I believe it needs QMT on the Security council. Its current voting structure preserves tyranny. We could tackle tyranny in Burma and Zimbabwe etc. faster without the current voting structure. India, Germany, Japan, and South Africa should have permanant votes in my opinion. UN reform should also be tied in with reform of the IMF and World Bank. It shames the world, when elected to the Human rights council, are not only Cuba and Libya, but as the vice-chair, Burma. Who could blame the US delegation for then walking out?

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: Re: Back Down, Mr Brown, (#6)

by bishophill on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:50:14 AM GMT

Your proposed reforms leave the EU and UN as massive bureaucracies, so they will continue to be milked by the unscrupulous and used as a gravy train by failed politicians.

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Dare to Dream (#4)

by FreedomAndTruth on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:48:12 AM GMT

Our country was built by people who dared to dream. It is being ruined by people with no vision.

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Re: Dare to Dream (#5)

by NorthernMonkey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:16:28 AM GMT

Lol! Non-sensical waffle.

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Carry on Laughing? (Very nervously) (#8)

by FreedomAndTruth on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 11:45:12 AM GMT

LOL your way to losing your freedoms: that is your prerogative.

You'll waken up when either:

a) Courageous people of wisdom fight your corner for you and win, or

b) It really is too late and your enslavement and poverty sting you into realising you have allowed a New World Order to control every aspect of your being and there is no going back.

There will be no Labour Party to vote for because, just like with the Lisbon Treaty, there will be no elections to vote in, in the future, unless they are Soviet-style ones with one 'party' the NWO/UN/EU/NAU conglomeration.

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