McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE

Guardian article  below. And  John McDonnell is  absolutely right to boycott the event.
COMPASS is still sending  out e-mails to supporters opposing  42 days.Now its MPs  cave in. Is Cruddas a career politician, someone asked ? I think we  know the answer now.

I was due to speak at a Compass conference, but watching the way this group of MPs has followed the government on 42-day detention, I've changed my mind
I bumped into Tony Benn on Monday on his way to a meeting convened to identify the individuals in an old photo of the Labour MPs who served time in prison for being
conscientious objectors in the first world war. Their role and personal sacrifice has been largely ignored by historians of the war and people have now come together to redress this wrong.
It was fortunate seeing Tony because I identified one of the MPs. It was
Walter Ayles, one of my predecessors in my Hayes constituency. I rescued his portrait from the skip when local party members were having a clearout of the constituency headquarters and didn't realise who it was. The photo is now displayed prominently in my office.
Ayles was a conscientious objector and refused to fight out of sheer principle. As a result he served two and a half years in prison, some of which was a sentence of hard labour. In those days hard labour meant back-breaking physical work. Nevertheless Ayles served his time and helped organise even from prison the campaign to promote peace and reconciliation.
Ayles's story puts in perspective the role the prime minister and some Labour MPs will play today in the debate over the government's plans to detain people without charge for 42 days.
Throughout the last few days Gordon Brown has contacted Labour MPs to convince them to vote in
favour of 42 days. I am pleased that so many have stood firm on principle and rejected the grovelling pleas for support.
However, it's now being reported that those MPs representing the
Compass group are supporting the government on 42 days. Ominously they voted for the government throughout last night on the proposals to scrap coroners' juries and on toughening control orders.
It looks now therefore that one of our most cherished fundamental freedoms, the right to one's liberty, has been traded by a group of Labour MPs. Relatively minor
policy concessions are being bartered to save the prime minister from defeat in the vote later today.
It is likely that this pleading may well work but at what cost to the integrity and personal standing of all those involved in this demeaning process?
This bargaining is no way to run a government and I believe that many will judge that those MPs who are about to cast their votes on such a critical issue of principle on the basis of what they can get out of the system are just beneath contempt.
If this does happen it destroys in my view any vestige of credibility those associated with Compass may claim to have to be part of the left or part of any project to reclaim the Labour party as a progressive force.
Compass may publish policy statements decrying the government's policies but these are not worth the paper they are expensively published on when Compass MPs go on to vote through policies like this which fly in the face of all that socialists should stand for.
I was scheduled to speak at the Compass conference on Saturday at the
LRC/ Labour Briefing breakout session. I will not do so now. I do not want to be associated with those that are willing to support undermining the basic human rights that socialists have fought and sacrificed themselves to secure and protect over generations. There are some lines in the sand you just do not cross. Undermining basic civil liberties by locking people up for long periods without charge is one of

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Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#1)

I think we need to be careful herw, there is many things such as the temporary workers bill that we can work to together on, so dialogue must stay if we are ever to have a left or centre-left leader of this party.  My own peronsal opinion would be to vote against the government, but John attend the conference fringe, as we must be seen to better than others in the past who split the left.

Regards

John Wiseman
Member of LRC/Compass

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#2)

I think we need to be careful here, there is many things such as the temporary workers bill that we can work to together on, so dialogue must stay if we are ever to have a left or centre-left leader of this party.  My own peronsal opinion would be to vote against the government, but John attend the conference fringe, as we must be seen to better than others in the past who split the left.

Regards

John Wiseman
Member of LRC/Compass

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#3)

The majority was NINE. It is thanks to MPs like Trickett that this legislation has  now been passed. John  McD agreed to attend in good faith - so did the many COMPASS supporters who followed their  policy  on 42  days. I suggest they take the arguments  there on saturday  and ask Cruddas and Trickett why they have let them down.As they have done  on   many previous occasions when they were supposed to be working with the left.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#4)

Who ever said that compass MP's have policy on how to vote on particular legislation?

When did Compass ever start whipping the vote?

When did John McD ever vote in favour ofany Labour Government policy?

A good day for Gordon Brown ansd a good day for Labour!

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#8)

John McDonnell votes with the government whips about three quarters of the time.  What he doesn't do is vote against his principles.  Of course Compass doesn't whip votes - neither does the LRC or the Campaign Group.  But I can't really believe anybody really feels that any of the 'concessions' that have come from the government are genuine safeguards, so the changes of heart must have been pure political expedience on what is surely a matter of principle.  As such I, like others, am more angry about MPs who had late changes of heart than those who always supported increasing the time.

In the long run, of course, Compass is cementing itself as the main body of the centre-left and, like John W said, we will have to work together in the future.  But I think John has sent a necessary message by backing out of this conference.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#15)

Why aren't you moaning about the Campaign Group MPs who also voted with the government?

You could just as easily say it's thanks to the CAMPAIGN GROUP (I can use capital letters as well) that this law was passed.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS (#17)

You've posted the same thing three times now.

As I wrote on the other thread, I don't think many of us on the left have much faith or many illusions in the Campaign Group.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#5)

From what I gather, it was the DUP wot won it.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#6)

John McDonnell may be mistaken here. Our best hope for the party is to make links between the "left" and the "centre." I am wholly opposed to the 42 days legislation, but we need to keep the bigger picture in mind.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#7)

I think John is making a mistake. He can be perfectly principled and not go. Or he can go and speak at Compass and have an opportunity to attack New Labour and push for radical change. He is angry, everybody is angry, but left/centre-left unity is so very important.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#9)

Left / centre-left unity IS important, but it isn't acceptable for the left to be always the ones expected to make the compromises.  Especially when some on the centre-left are obviously so good at it! 

Future left/centre-left co-operation is necessary.  John going to this Compass conference is not.  It is worthwhile him sending this message.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#14)

I agree. I'm a socialist, but on so many issues the self-styled 'centre-left' votes for things that would make the centre-right blush.

Even people like Hattersley (the right of the party in the 80s) are further to the left than the current 'centre left'.

There are lines in the sand - voting to lock people up without any charge for six weeks is nowhere near social democratic or democratic socialist politics.

If Compass members want to be the centre-left then they should elect a better parliamentary chair.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#16)

One third of the oh-so-ideologically-pure Socialist Campaign Group voted with the government, which may possibly indicate that this issue is not as black and white as you make out.

I know it's much easier for you to scapegoat Jon Cruddas and Jon Trickett.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#10)

Well, I think Cruddas and Trickett were wrong to vote the way they did, but by the same token, I can't see what John McD gets from not attending Compass's conference.

Does he seriously want Compass to line their MPs? And if they do, would he respond in this way every time they don't rebel when he does?

I believe that McDonnell wishes to gain personal control over MPs on the left in the same way Tony Benn did. Collegiality between left MPs who disagree about some issues would present a problem for him in this respect, as does the loose Campaign Group, which he seeks to replace or go over the dead of with the LRC.

His behaviour may damage Compass, but nobody will gain anything from it, including himself. 

If that's principle, I reckon it's a pretty bad one to have.

PS: Why isn't anyone talking aobut LRC/SCG MPs who voted against this?

Isn't it unfair to blame the whole lot on these two?

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#12)

Totally agree with this.

I agree Trickett and Cruddas should have voted against, but they are still generally the allies of McDonnell et al.

But those in the LRC who are quick to attack them should look at the SCG and LRC who supported the government!

 

And I don't understand McDonnell's tactics. Why not appeal to those at Compass rather than isolate himself from them? 

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#11)

This reminds me of the early 90's when many people who had been part of Tribune groupings complained how many prominent figures had used Tribune to further their own careers instead of it remaining the radical force it was founded to be!!  Even Gordon Brown and Tony Blair used to write for it back then.  Could Compass be turning into a hotbead for careerist politicians also??  It all seems very new and trendy, bit like New Labour was t first... 

John is probably right to boycott.  It is alright Conmpass MP's whittering on about how parties need to shift back to core values including civil liberties and human rights but they then vote through some of the most draconian police retention laws throughout the whole of the western world.  Even Amnesty International & Liberty have campaigned against this and any progressive or radical should be lining up with them and not the political and security establishment.

What is more strange is that Cruddas writes regularly for the Morning Star...  If he did vote against wonder what they will be saying to him!

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#13)

The Inconvenient Truth for John McDonnell - NINE Socialist Campaign Group MPs voted with the Government on 42 days. He should look closer to home.

http://www.labourhome.org/story/2008/6/12/14132/7438

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS COMPASS CONFERENCE (#18)

Oh what delicious fun it must be to be a factional leftist in the Labour Party.  By being a member of LRC/Compass/Campaign/Labour Briefing/etc you get to multiply by factors the opportunities to be betrayed.  Not only can you sit in sweaty anticipation of the next time someone in the Labour Government says something that falls outside the purity of your sect you can look to other grouplets and complain that they are worse class traitors than your lot are or even that Brown bloke.

So, just so I can get this right.  Neal Lawson was a Blairite.  He made some money as a Blairite lobbyist post 1997.  He decided that he was no longer a Blairite so set up a ginger group called Compass.  This, as most of these groups do, heralded a new dawn for the ultras and softies on the left.  The first real test of the desire for left unity (funnily enough the name of the Trot group from my student politics days) came when McDonnell wanted to be leader and Cruddass wanted to be Deputy Leader.  Both failed and then blamed the other lot for not voting for them.  The next test came over 42 days.  This led to nine members of the campaign group voting with the Government.  This saw Compass leaders Jon Trickett and John Cruddass voting with the Government.  This led to the "social democratic" members of Compass demanding Trickett was expelled/executed/made to read the Communist Manifesto or some other henious punishment for breaking the line of the non factional faction who do not whip MPs.  Trickett resigns and warns Compass not to become an, errr, faction.  McDonnell from the Campaign Group ignores the spliiters in his own camp in favour of attacking the People's Front of Judea mob in Compass whose conference he has now refused to attend.  And, against this backgroud poor old John Wiseman is trying to set up another sectlet that allows you all to sit in the same room and massage each others purity until it is shiny and bright.

Have I missed anything.  I am pleased that since being in the room when Kinnock went for the Militant in 1985 I have been on the opposite side of the party to everyone in any of these groups, because I just do not think I could handle the intrigue and wasted emotion of being part of these grouplets when we have the possibility of a Tory victory on the horizon and a real enemy to fight.

Did remined me of an old joke though. 

What do you get if you put five Labour lefties on a desert island?


Three factions and two entryist organisations.


Have fun at your conference this weekend, I will be leafletting for the Labour Party so cannot make it I am afraid.

Re: McDONNELL BOYCOTTS etc (#19)

What a holier-than-thou pillock. Like nobody on the left ever does any Labour Party campaigning.

McDonnell wanted to be leader and Cruddass wanted to be Deputy Leader.  Both failed and then blamed the other lot for not voting for them. 

Wrong. McDonnell and his supporters nominated Cruddas. Compass reneged on the deal and didn't nominate McDonnell.

McDonnell from the Campaign Group ignores the spliiters in his own camp in favour of attacking the People's Front of Judea mob in Compass whose conference he has now refused to attend.

How do you know McDonnell has ignored the spliiters (sic) in his own camp?

we have the possibility of a Tory victory on the horizon and a real enemy to fight.

Indeed we do, and it is entirely the fault of the right of the party.

Hilarious joke. Who says New Labour are obsessed with the 80s eh?