Towards 2012?

Without wanting to be disrespectful to the recently deposed Mayor of London, the race must surely now begin to find a Labour candidate to challenge Boris Johnson in 2012.

Why the rush? Well, if the party was savvy it would pick a candidate by next year to effectively run as a 'Shadow Mayor' to Boris, scrutinising and commenting on his policies and building up his or her profile within the capital and country as a whole. This would allow it to choose a relatively unknown candidate rather than one solely based on celebrity.

A few runners and riders have already been mentioned including Ken's campaign manager, Tessa Jowell, who would have the national profile and strong experience on London issues and the Olympics and Oona King, who again would carry a weight of personality and has been a London MP. A wildcard choice might be Dave Rowntree, a PPC in London and perhaps better known as a member of Blur.

What is clear is that Labour will need someone who can appeal to the outer suburbs and the core vote, bridging together the successful coalition than Ken managed in 2000 and 2004. For my two cents I would suggest Steve Reed, the current leader of Lambeth Council. Steve might not be a household name but he has a proven record of winning for Labour (Lambeth was the only Labour gain the last time London councils went to the polls) and has made a significant impact in cutting crime in the area. Crucially, Steve also comes across as approachable and positive and would be able to relate to a wide section of the community. 

I'd be interested to hear thoughts and suggestions from others. 

     

 



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Re: Towards 2012? (#1)

Oona King?

Re: Towards 2012? (#2)

Yes, I think she's the ideal choice too.

Re: Towards 2012? (#3)

I've heard she would get neither left or BME support
following her ill fated deselection challenge against Diane Abbott (who had only been elected the first ever Black female MP 5 years before) in 1992.  And are all of you also forgetting Iraq?  She lost us a 10,000 majority for goodness sake!  And I doubt London Muslims are any keener on her now than in 2005.  Memories are long and Oona's never been able to recover among any of these groups, who are obviously key constituencies of Labour's London support.  I don't want to be down on Oona but she needs to find a safe parliamentary seat and get back into parliament.  The London Mayoralty is just not suitable for her.

Re: Towards 2012? (#4)

I am thinking Lee Jasper would be a very good choice here. He has strong backing among ethnic communities, is a well known figure having had a lot of press coverage and of course nothing has been proven against him.

Re: Towards 2012? (#5)

I'm finding this thread highly amusing. Anyway I have posted on this before

 http://parburypolitica.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/fightback-for-2012/

but basically I reckon it will be a rerun of the deputy leadership contest with Harman and Cruddas 

Re: Towards 2012? (#6)

Whether we like it or not, our opponents will easily portray Lee Jasper as a sleaze-monger. Boris may be a rich toff, but no one ever associated the word 'sleaze' with his record (or personality). BoJo has his flaws, we just never picked out the ones that resonated with the public. You can be sure that the sleaze issue will resonate with the voters if Lee runs for office.

Re: Towards 2012? (#7)

Then should the fightback not start there? Labour should not shrug and accept this tag for even one important Labour figure. If he is tarred then so are all others. If we "rehabilitate" Lee (only in perception not fact) it will be a big win for us. 

Look at the late contest. Johnson was a flawed candidate too but as you say his candidacy somehow resonated. By 2012 there is a good chance that any Conservative government will be mired in deep unpopularity from the cuts it must make. With that backdrop I think any recognisable Labour candidate will win just as I think any Conservative would probably have won this time (or even done better possibly).

Let us not forget how close this race was.  Livingstone lost by less than what the BNP polled. The BNP I am telling you! We can win those people back sure.   

Re: Towards 2012? (#35)

Apologies. I stand corrected.

Re: Towards 2012? (#18)

i agree.

i think oona king would is the best possible candidate.

she is charasmatic, articulate and has a lot of really good ideas, especially with regard to helping the poorest and the young.

Re: Towards 2012? (#8)

Oona King would be a fantastic Mayor - but Konnie Huq would make a great candidate!

Re: Towards 2012? (#10)

Draft Konnie Huq!!!!

Re: Towards 2012? (#13)

I thought Rupa was the political one of the Huq sisters but I suppose this is the London Mayoralty so whats politics got to do with it ... is that a stampede to the HIGNFU studios I hear?

Re: Towards 2012? (#39)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17282867563
THE DRAFT KONNIE HUQ FACEBOOK PAGE!

Re: Towards 2012? (#9)

Lee Jasper is "a well known figure having had a lot of press coverage" LOL!

He's toxic. period. And he's not a significant Labour figure. He's a (unfairly or otherwise) discredited appointee of the former Labour Mayor. he's never as far as I can recall held any significant post in the party.

As for the suggestions so far, they are all weak. The Mayoralty is not a retirement home for ex Cabinet members as Frank Dobson found out. Oonagh King brings too much baggage, and as for Blur's drummer, oh purleease!!

Oh, and going back to the original poster. Ken wasn't deposed, he lost in a democratic election. We might not like the result, but it was clear enough. We are not going to win it back if we keep acting like we were robbed by a clown - he got a million plus votes and we need to understand WHY that happened if he is as awful as we think he is.

Re: Towards 2012? (#12)

Cruddas would be the ideal candidate - understands the concerns of outer London white working class but supportive of diversity and the benefits of immigration. 

Re: Towards 2012? (#15)

I think Orator Hunt's onto something here....

Re: Towards 2012? (#14)

Gordon Brown. he has to be good at something.

Re: Towards 2012? (#16)

In other words we can't really think of anyone then? :)

I can't see Harman getting it, she attracts enough bad press (rightly or wrongly) as it is.

I dunno about Cruddas, would Labour ever select him, even if we left it until 2011?

My initial thought agreed with Oona King but I suppose she might have a lot of baggage, why does she have more baggage than others? I mean, re: Iraq, she was voted out when Galloway ran against her, it's not like a nobody ran against her. I honestly don't know much about the situation so feel free to enlighten me!

Given the current situation it's well possible someone we choose now would be tainted by this government, unless someone stunning comes along let's leave it until the next administration in 2010, then either a victorious Brown can choose someone or a Shadow Leader Miliband can!

And Dave Rowntree? Blimey, if we attacked Boris for only having run the spectator what will they say to the ex-drummer of Blur?! :)

Re: Towards 2012? (#23)

Galloway issue: can we get a bill drafted in parliament to force those who miss parliamentary sittings and votes for no good reason to either resign, or come to at least 80% of the Commons votes in the next 3 months?

Re: Towards 2012? (#25)

I'm not sure you can have a bill because you don't like someone, most bills have the Labour and opposition amendments [nether of which I imagine Galloway would necessarily vote on].

Re: Towards 2012? (#17)

Ken and Boris seem to me to share two key characteristics:

 (1) They were well known figures before they even announced their candidacies

(2) Agree with them or not, they are intelligent (yes, Boris as well - you shouldn't have made the mistake of believing your own propaganda), independent-minded, and unafraid of saying what they think regardless of their party leaderships.

 

Who do you have now who meets those criteria? 

Re: Towards 2012? (#19)

sir alan sugar , labour supporter, east end born and bred.

"boris - you hadn't a clue when you started. you've proved over four years you still don't have a clue. you're fired."

Re: Towards 2012? (#20)

Might work

Re: Towards 2012? (#21)

Alan Sugar ticks the box of having adminstered a large organisation (unlike Oona King, Cruddas, ...), which I would think would be a key requirement. To not get a second term Boris will have had to have screwed up at least a bit - administratively probably. So any Labour candidate needs a stong CV in this category.

But for those of us who remember Amstrad products ... 

Re: Towards 2012? (#22)

Would Alan Sugar really leave his business for 4 years? I think Steve Norris lost a lot of credibility in 2004 by not giving up his outside interests and Sugar could be caricatured as a "part time" Mayor.

The Konnie Huq suggestion is surely not serious, she is not a serious person and was made to look foolish over the Olympic torch fiasco.

Re: Towards 2012? (#26)

Alan Sugar would be superb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Towards 2012? (#28)

at the risk of sounding too much like a lefty the reason why Sugar shouldn't be the most powerful Labour politician in the event of us loosing the election is rather given away by the name of the party, 'Labour' as in the party of Labour as in that of working people not the person who owns one of the biggest companies in the UK!

Re: Towards 2012? (#29)

Er, but his background is probably as working-class (if not more so) than most of the PLP.

Re: Towards 2012? (#31)

That's an understatement.  Most of the PLP these days are privately educated school lawyers.  Sir Alan is a poor East London Jewish boy done good.  What an inspired suggestion, Jonty!  Am even more excited about him because he can help us win back the Jewish votes that Ken lost and he's v close to Lord Levi (i.e, would have some serious supprot fundraising).

Re: Towards 2012? (#38)

But his day to day activities are exploitation.

We should never have big business owners anywhere near the top of our party. Ever. They represent the enemy, however they vote.

Re: Towards 2012? (#41)

Complete and utter nonsense, Raffles!

Re: Towards 2012? (#44)

E10, stop the revolutionary talk. I think the super-rich should pay up. I support a Worker's Rights bill. I support many left-wing causes. But as long as the company boss is not unethical, treats his workers right, pays his tax efficiently, I don't really give a damn. If there is a boss who wants to support Labour, but is over-whelmingly rich, yet realises that he should pay more than the poor should in tax, why is he the enemy? I've got news for you E10, the country is more progressive than Blair or Brown thinks, but they don't want to line up the businessman up against a wall, in preperation for a revolution.

Re: Towards 2012? (#46)

Rubbish.

We should welcome everybody with left values, whether they be poverty stricken single parents to multi-millionnaire big business owners.

Re: Towards 2012? (#24)

After 2010 there will be plenty of ex-Cabinet Minsters available, and probably the best one who does not become Labour Leader would have a crack at this.  Gordon need not apply :-)

Re: Towards 2012? (#27)

Right. Who's going to call Sir alan?

Re: Towards 2012? (#30)

Call 'Francis' the receptionist.

Re: Towards 2012? (#32)

Everyone above who's suggested Alan Sugar - you're fired!  Amstrad and Spurs - hardly a record of triumph!

Re: Towards 2012? (#33)

We want a strongly committed Labour man; Sugar is not the man. Preferably not an MP but possibly a top London councillor might do.

Re: Towards 2012? (#42)

Sir Alan Sugar was seriously ill and has basically retired from business. On Jonathan Ross show lat night, he looked frail.

Re: Towards 2012? (#43)

Sorry to hear that. Amstrad introduced computers to the British public, but Microsoft perfected them and made them simpler to use.
Shami Chakrabati would make an excellent Mayor; but she is very independent and won't be tied down to any one Party.

Re: Towards 2012? (#45)

Too miserable.  She needs to smile more and stop wearing all that black.

Re: Towards 2012? (#34)

you people do not understand london i.e the doughnut

Re: Towards 2012? (#36)

Why on earth shouldn't Ken go for it again if he wants to?

I cannot stand this mentality that once you lose a contest you quit alotogether and visit the wilderness for the rest of your life! Was the attitude of Gladstone? Disraeli? Churchill? No!

So after 4 years of Bungling Boris Londoners might be calling out for Ken's return...

Re: Towards 2012? (#37)

After this fabulous article by Ken in the Grauniad today - and looking like there's more to come - you may be right. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/09/livingstone.boris

Ken is my number one choice for Mayoral candidate in 2012 but if not, Sugar seems good, followed by Cruddas.

Re: Towards 2012? (#40)

Let's hope that Dave from Blur is more popular than Alex from Blur:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8168059354

As for Konnie, she has inspired this:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17282867563