Saying "no" to compulsory voting

It's a great idea and an electoral disaster

Actually, I'm quite in favour of compulsory voting, but here's the rub: we could only introduce it if the Tories were also in favour, and for obvious reasons they won't be.

The reason why (we'd need the Tories) isn't difficult to understand. Labour already has a problem being seen to advocate a "nanny state" and then here we'd be promising to criminalise behaviour which has been quite legal since the dawn of the franchise - for our own benefit

The Tories would simply run in the election on the promise of abolishing this victimless (as they'd argue) crime - saying it was a waste of police time and money etc, and pick up maybe one or two million votes on that issue alone.



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Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#1)

No to compulsory voting.

We're already seen as eroding civil liberties, we don't need to make it worse.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#2)

As an alternative, let us propose compulsory NON-voting... in the countryside.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#3)

NM has this right - the state has no right to make people do something that they don't want to do (providing it isn't hurting someone else).

Sadly, governments always trend towards authoritarianism (cf ID cards, 42 days) in the end, and we'll get there in the end again - if you instituted this you would deserve to be destroyed.

RedRooster - behave yourself! :)

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#4)

Compulsory voting would only result in the party being crushed massively at the polls, if not fatally, with the electorate cheered-on by the Tory press. Compulsory voting would be an authoritarian measure too far, from a Labour government still damaged by Blunkettism.

 

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#5)

Additionally, compulsory voting (as do ID cards) just opens us up to the frequent Tory propaganda that only the centre-right care about individual liberties, which is historically inaccurate but all-too commonly believed. However, we still need voting reform and fast.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#6)

Votes at 16!

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#9)

I'm all for that.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#7)

Provided that a 'none of the above' option is provided, how on earth does this infringe liberty? As far as I'm aware, there's no fundamental human right to sit at home on your arse...Rights come with responsibilities, voting is the most important of them all. And best of all, it would force our political system to represent the most marginalised instead of the pushy parents brigade with the big mouths and wallets. Nothing could be more conducive to improved social justice - we must introduce this, and AV, as an absolute priority.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#8)

I think compulsory voting is a good thing, so long as there is a 'none of the above' option. Obviously you would be able to opt out on medical grounds or religious grounds if that is necessary.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#17)

How often do we hear that "rights come with responsibilities." But the point about rights, at least in the Enlightement tradition, is that they are inalienable - unable to be removed - they have no relationship to responsibilities.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#10)

No, no, no. You cannot criminalise people for not turning up at the ballot box (you are entirely justified in thinking that they are foolish and pointing out th error of their ways) - that is grossly authoritarian.

On the voting at 16 issue - any age is arbitrary, but I feel that on balance 18 is about right; people (in general) do quite a lot of growing up in those two years.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#11)

If you forced me to vote I not vote Labour, if you asked me to vote I'd still not vote Labour, I've been voting since 1968, never failed once to vote Labour, like my father, his father and my great grandfather all strong Labour people, my son votes Tory my daughter votes Tory, this week in school the kids had elections and yes the Tories won, which means to me anyway the new generation will not be die hard Labour voters.

But why is this, I live in an area which has massive unemployment even though Labour says rubbish, I live on a 500 house council estate, we have a community hall , the people who go to that say they cannot find work, as you know I've a disability and use a wheelchair, I cannot find work, we have this week lost another 300 jobs.

The area is run down it's poor , it just seems nobody cares. people are not voting I think in my area because if they vote Labour nothing happens, if they vote Tory nothing happens, just nothing happens, people say wait until the Tories come in, what can they do to us Labours not already done. 

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#12)

You're right, but as you'll know, turnout in council estate wards and poorer areas tends to be very low - if everyone here voted, it would force our political system to do something for them - whatever party they voted for initially. At the moment, the only people who matter are middle-class swing voters, due to our electoral system which focuses on marginal seats etc. With compulsory voting and the Alternative Vote (what was used to elect Boris), that would change - parties would have to think about your views, and I think it'd shift the whole system to the left dramatically.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#16)

I believe Australia has compulsory voting and I don't think it has shifted their system to the left. But, in any case it is a matter of whether it is right or wrong - not politically advantageous. And it is, in my view, wrong. In a democracy the parliament is responsible to the people - not the other way around.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#14)

On the votes for 16 issue, I'm 16, but no, no, no. People who were my age seemed all for Boris, 'cause he seemed like a 'laugh'. People need to have that extra 2 years, to be able to think about the implications of what a cross on a ballot paper are.

On the compulsory voting issue: the same reasons. Encourage those who know about politics to vote. If people don't, then you get people voting for people like Boris.

Re: Saying "no" to compulsory voting (#15)

16 is a bit too young to vote IMHO. Some of them won't have even finished their GCSE's when they vote! 18 is generally accepted as the age of majority, so that's when people should vote.