42 days... the next problem

At times like these we do not need further self-inflicted wounds, but the 42 days legislation promises to be just that.

Firstly, let me say I am totally opposed to extending the period of detention without charge to 42 days - in fact the current period of 28 days is indefensible in a democracy, despite the undoubted threats we face. As Benjamin Franklin said "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - which sums it up very neatly.

But, tactically our leader's insistence upon pursuing this policy in the teeth of the opposition of parliament look as though it will either:
a) inflict unnecessary and illiberal legislation upon us,
or, more likely
b) inflict a further humiliating defeat upon the government.

David Cameron was able to attack Gordon Brown in the House on Thursday, accusing him of posturing in appearing "tough on terror." Cameron's views echo a YouGov poll published by Liberty back in March which found that "54 percent of people believe the Government’s motivation for the proposals is to “look tough on terror.”"  It was a dismal experience indeed having to agree with Cameron, for all his seeming vacuity and opportunism.

Our leaders have only a short-time to find a face-saving way out of this potential calamity. At the moment they run the presentational risk of enjoying the worst of all worlds - appearing both illiberal and weak at the same time.

Please think again Prime Minister.

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Re: 42 days... the next problem (#1)

Is he able to listen?  This is the test, eh?

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#2)

I mean if the PLP has to beat this out of Brown, like the 10p fiasco, after these elections, then I might feel like giving up. (maybe)

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#3)

a prediction. gordon will restate his crazy commitment to 42 days (because he calculates it makes him look strong and decisive). he will then wait until the very last, MOST embarrassing moment possible before backing down (or being forced into a climbdown by the plp). result: turmoil, farce and another few points shaved off his own poll ratings and handed on a plate to cameron.

alternatively, he could play it sensibly. gordon would be perfectly entitled to say that yesterday's local election results sent him an unmistakable message. the electorate didn't just write him a memo, they bellowed through his letterbox that they want change. there really is no better time than now, right now and in time for tomorrow's round of 'fightback' interviews to ditch the his ridiculous commitment to 42 days. this time, just maybe, he could be seen to listen.

by doing it this weekend he could possibly come out of the episode with credit (imagine that!). after this weekend it will be too late to reverse his commitment without damage.

i hope but am not hopeful that my earlier prediction will not come to pass.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#4)

That's precisely what he should do, and if he puts it together with two or three positive new proposals it's unlikely that a 'u-turn' narrative would have much traction.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#5)

Gordon, if you really are "listening and learning" then for god's sake drop this measure.

It may cause some embarrassment but it won't be half as embarrassing as losing the vote heavily in the Commons a couple of weeks after very bad election results.

You know it's getting bad when the Tories are seen as the party of civil liberties and we're seen as the party of oppressive, draconian measures.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#6)

Any news on the scope of the rebellion?

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#7)

Gordon-we heard you were so decisive. So on July 2nd 2007, you should have done this: Pushed through emergancy legislation, announcing that detention was to be cut to a maximum of 14 days, but with a warrant, could be extended by another 14 days. You should have said that the most effective anti-terrorist measure, that even Liberty endorsed, would have been to allow the use of wiretap evidence in trials. You could have said that it would have freed certain clogs in the judiciary system.

I urge you, in the strongest possible terms, to announce that you will drop this proposal, enfused with rhetoric, and announce that wiretap evidence in court, is by far the best anti-terrorist measure.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#8)

<screams!> he's just said 'its the right thing to do'.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#9)

why can't he see? why doesn't he get it? why is the message out of today's interviews "nothing new, steady as she goes"?

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#10)

Because he's an appaling prime minister. I can't wait for the rebellion on this one. Brown needs s sharp kick to get him out of number 10. He can't last until 2010, the sooner he goes the better and anything that helps that to happen will be cheered by me.

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#11)

I think he's forgotten that he's not just meant to be a leader, he's meant to be a politician!

Re: 42 days... the next problem (#13)

Another spammer to remove...