Let it go, Nadine

Nadine Dorries just won’t let it go, will she? Ever since her move to amend the upper legal limit for abortion from 24 to 20 weeks, she’s been blaming the Labour whips for her failure.


Now she prays in aid of her argument an article in the Daily Mail, which claims that Harriet Harman led a whipping operation. Harriet is a long-standing supporter of the right of women to choose to have an abortion; she feels strongly that the limit should not be lowered, and she and other (mostly, but not all, female) colleagues lobbied for her position. Why on earth wouldn’t they? Is Nadine claiming that she didn’t try to persuade other colleagues to support her amendment? I hope she won’t claim that, because she approached me!

So if Nadine encourages support for her amendment, that’s democracy. But if a Labour MP tries to organise against her, that’s anti-democratic. At least she’s dropped her silly claim that there was any kind of official whipping operation by the government whips.

For the record, having announced in my blog and in the media that I was sympathetic to a reduction in the time limit, I was lobbied by two MPs - Anne Snelgrove, who asked me to support the status quo, and Nadine. There was no arm-twisting, no threats. As it should be.

As someone who did actually support a reduction to 20 weeks (unlike Nadine who, in supporting other amendments in favour of limits as low as 12 weeks exposed her opposition even to her own amendment!), I find Nadine’s attempts to make abortion a party political issue extremely distasteful. At the first ever Labour Party branch meeting I ever attended, in 1985, I spoke against a motion calling on Labour policy as agreed at conference (abortion on demand) to be enforced by the whips in the Commons. This has never happened, it will never happened and it didn’t happen last Tuesday, despite Nadine’s fantasies.

Let it go, Nadine, there’ll be other opportunities. But if you keep banging this partisan drum on an issue as sensitive as abortion, you may get all the PR you’ve ever dreamed of, but you’ll alienate any Labour MPs who might otherwise have considered supporting you.

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Re: Let it go, Nadine (#1)

I do not think that abortion should be used as a contraception. I do think though that in certain circumstances that it is justified that is why I would like to keep to current situation with regard to each case being considered on it's own merits. I have every sympathy with any women faced with this choice.

I am in favour of lowering the limit but any lowering must take into consideration how far into a pregnancy a women may be before she realises that she is and how long after that it takes to arrange for the abortion to take place.

On reading the debate I see that 89% are in fact carried out before 13 weeks therefore the remaining 11% must be given fair time.

It would help considerably if the waiting time was reduced. I think that it is unacceptable that after having made the difficult decision a women should then have to wait 2-4 weeks for the procedure to take place. 

A figure I found concerning in the debate is that 32% of women having abortions had had one before.

I think we must work harder still to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#2)

Keep on trying for 20 weeks or lower, Nadine.

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#3)

I think these arguments about abortion are almost entirely mendacious. What we should be talking about is how do we work to lessen the number of abortions in the UK.

How can women be empowered, educated and provided with contraception and proper sex education at a younger age so we have less women going for abortions.

The generation that grew up being scared of hiv/aids used barrier contraception and of course this lead to less pregnancies. Now we are seeing rises in abortion and stds.

I think Judy Mallaber gave the best speech in this debate and we should be following the example of the dutch whose sexual and reproductive rights legislation is more permissive than ours but abortion and std rates far lower. The only thing lowering the abortion time limit is going to do is lead to backstreet abortions, a point made by Judy Mallaber and others.

Actually this is a brilliant example of the political classes missing the point, they separate the ends from the means and only ever debate the means. A brilliant innovation to our political culture brought in by Tony Blair and which means arguments are made without recourse to the wider principles and aims of the issue.

Lets discuss the whole wood people rather than individual tress.

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#4)

Absolutely. Why don't I hear many who are pro-life, supporting far more funding for sexual health clinics, contraception, and compulsory sex-ed in class?

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#7)

Probably because a lot of them might not believe in contraception. Condoms are the work of Satan, you know :p

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#5)

The fact that Nadine Dorries associates herself with crazed Christian fundamentalists should be enough of a reason for Labour MP's to ignore her.

Keep it at 24 weeks and no lower.

Re: Let it go, Nadine (#6)

Apparently it's not only Nadine who associates herself with Christian fanatics. The Lawyers' Christian Fellowship claims to work with Labour politicians as well.


But yes - no reduction in abortion access.