Your three item policy 'wish list'

Now, our party has two years to strategically turn things round to win a fourth term in some form, or to at least get underway some progressive, social-democratic reforms for the longer term future. As Labour activists and members, or perhaps former supporters, what would be top three on your list of positive policy directions that you would like the party leadership to adopt?

I'll start this off with my personal list: 1.) a wide scale public housing building programme. We need to counter the enormous cost of housing, whether that be renting or buying. My generation currently feels abandoned on this issue. 2.) Voting reform, including STV for the Lords/upper house. I want my Labour vote to count, but currently it does not in a Tory safe seat. 3.) Abolishing the proposed state ID card. Plough the money back into the public purse for constructive uses. Give the party a better image on civil liberties; the authoritarianism of recent years is an electoral hazard.

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Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#1)

Good thread.

My three:

1) Invest in a programme of building council houses (and give councils the freedom to build new council houses and ring-fence revenue from rents and sales to invest in council house stock;
2) Introduce legislation on trade union freedom and equal rights for temporary and agency workers;
3) Make some big moves in defence of the welfare state - beginning with ensuring that the genuinely disabled are not forced of incapacity benefit.

It was very hard to keep it down to three...  Can I come on again under an assumed name?  (I'm assuming others will do the constitutional stuff, so have focused elsewhere).

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#6)

Mine are similar to yours:

1) Bring back more council housing as already stated.

2) My workers rights wish is a minimum number of days sick pay entitlement at full pay. My recommendation would be 15 days a year. At the moment all they have to give you is SSP after 3 days which is a very small amount.

3) A halt to privatisation. A very big NO to part privatisation of the Royal Mail.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#2)

1) Turn the House of Lords into 100% democratically elected chamber with PR
2) Devolution to cities and counties within England (with cities to have Mayors like London)
3) Raise income tax / NI threshold to £10,000 and raise direct tax slightly on highest earners and/or raise capital gains tax to pay for it.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#3)

Not keen on the idea of executive Mayors, to be honest. Speaking of devolution, wouldn't federalism be a solid way of countering the SNP's call for independence? Just a though.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#5)

Well federalism would just result with an English Parliament where the South out-vote the North forever more. That's not devolution - it needs to be to a more local level than that.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#4)

The problem with executive and local directly elected mayors is that they need appropriate democratic scrutiny and the legislation needs to be reframed to put appropriate checks and balances on their power.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#7)

Your number 3 would help all the people that need it most.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#8)

Mine are slightly different:

1)  Reduce the working week to a maximum 35 hours without loss of pay (similar to what was done in France recently).  Lo and behold - productivity will increase...

2)  A minimum wage of 8.00 an hour or more.

3)  Encouraging forms of democratic social ownership by giving working people a stake or control of companies by allowing them to sit on the board and elect their managers.  Bennite idea of early 80's, equally as important now. 

If I had a fourth it would be, er, a massive social house building programme!!

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#9)

housing, housing and housing.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#10)

Sorry, that should have been: council housing, council Housing, and council housing.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#11)

This is my first time on Labourhome.  I have watched with interest over the last couple of years, occassionally been moved to comment but never got around to it.  This could just be laziness or it could be that actually there was, and remains, a clear tendency amongst posters to hit the panic button at the slightest issue and I did not really want to add to the general malaise so beloved of the left.

I have been a member of the Labour Party for all my adult life, about 20 years now.  I was bereft at Kinnock losing in 1992, I wept when John Smith died, and I leaped for joy when Tony Blair was first elected Leader and then became Prime Minister, three times in a row.

I would consider myself a leadership loyalist, recognising that no sane individual is going to agree with everything every political party does across hundreds of issues, and hundreds of billions of annual expenditure, but broadly accepting that I support the general direction of travel and believing that it was always better to have a Labour Government than not.

However, my concern about Labourhome, and many other left/Labour websites, and unfortunately many of the activists I have met over the years is that they simply did not accept that basic assessment, that a Labour Government is better than a non-Labour government.  Indeed many take it further, much further, whilst refusing to admit it even to themselves, which is that they simply do not like being in power.  The compromises, the complications, the discipline of power is too much for them.  Opposition is simpler, purer, easier, and it panders to why they got into politics, to be outraged, rage against the machine, stand outside and criticise, call for things that made them feel good but took no account of the country they claimed to want to represent.  Basically, power was dirty, opposition was good clean fun.

I still believe too many in the party believe that, which is why I distinctly remember Tony Blair saying during the Clause 4 Roadshow that he was getting his betrayal in first, because Labour leaders in too many of our colleagues eyes are there to be despised, attacked, and generally hated, because if we cannot be in real opposition we can at least be in internal opposition.

These naysayers have been in the party for ever.  Just look at the history of the party, even Atlee faced attacks from the hard left.  They hated Kinnock for taking on the Militant.  They despised him for stopping Tony Benn becoming deputy leader.  They wanted Smith to be more radical than one last push (as did I admittedly from a different perspective but I never said it in public).  They hated Blair from day one.  They hated Cruddass for not delivering for McDonnell.  Now they hate Brown.  And they will hate whoever takes over from Brown - even if it is McDonnell.

But now these people have something to really get their teeth into.  The Labour Government is in trouble.  The knives are out and being sharpened.  And despite the, "If only Gordon would do this" slant to the comments, what they really want is for Gordon to fail, the Tories to be elected, and then to reenter the nirvana of opposition with added "I told you so". 

This is long introduction to my first comment on this blog, but I did not want people to misunderstand where I am coming from as I plan to be a regular member of the Labourhome community for a while. 

The lists are sad, tired old campaign slogans.  Build our way out of recession.  Council housing is the way forward.  Down with people wanting to own where they live.  Up with the minimum wage regardless of consequences.  Down with working hours.  15 days guaranteed sick pay for all.  If we wanted to position the party with a core vote strategy this is the way forward.  A manifesto which destroys the housing market, raises prices, reduces competitiveness, and gives everyone in the country an extra guaranteed two weeks holiday is bonkers in the extreme.

My three are:

1. Recognise that crime impacts more on working class people that any other section of society and ensure that police and stations are more noticeable and available in every locality, including on many of our most socially deprived housing estates who should have a dedicated police presence.

2. Cut taxes for the lowest paid by raising the allowance to a level that can be managed within the needs of continued investment in services, but also raise the 40% tax level so that hard working families such as police officers, matrons, teachers etc are not in this bracket.  Balance this out with some reductions in public spending on quangos and othe areas and a new tax rate for the higher paid as needed.  Also, guarantee that both the lower tax bands will move with earnings year on year.

3. Legislate to give all staff a share in the businesses they work for, and to give them rights to join together as shareholders.  This should be allied to shareholders being able to vote down senior pay packages without voting against the whole annual report.

These three measures would deal with fear of crime amongst our core vote and reassure many others; would solve some the current unfairness in the tax system whilst sending a powerful message to the many not the few; and would make workforce relations a business imperitive as well as giving the market the powers it wants to deal with excessive pay, again sending a powerful message about the many not the few.

Well, that is it.  My first foray.  Hope to see you again soon.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#12)

Well, first of all, welcome to Labourhome - hope it was your first of many.

Second - I could not disagree with you more, and I'm wondering whether I need to go and make myself a cup of tea before replying in order to ensure that I remain comradely.

It is a fault of many of us - on all wings of the party - to assume that, when somebody disagrees with us - they must be doing it for some unspoken, base motive.  One of the good things about this forum is that I've conversed with several right-wingers and come to the terrifying conclusion that they (not all of them, obviously!) are well-intentioned, are not actually part of some secret CIA plot to destroy the Labour Party, and often are closer to my position on some issues than I ever imagined.  Of course, some of them are actually part of a secret CIA plot to destroy the Labour Party, but I now realise they're few and far between!

So, my first point is this: you may disagree with some of the lists that have been included, but your analysis of their motivation is completely wrong.  A Tory government would be equally disastrous for all wings of the Labour Party, and it would be particularly disastrous to the people who vote for us. 

So, first of all, remember that this was headed as a 'wish-list' and we were limited to three.  It seems ironic that point 2 on your list has been on several of the lists that you've condemned as oppositional.  And while I don't support the other two points in their entirety, there's certainly stuff to work on there.  If I'd had a list of six or seven, who knows, maybe you'd have agreed with a few of them?

Am I a naysayer?  I guess so.  I didn't vote for Blair to be leader (I think I voted for Margaret Beckett?) and - yes - I opposed a lot of the reforms he introduced to the party and some major national policy decisions he made.  I marched through the streets about several of them.  But I campaigned as hard as anybody in '97 and 2005 (I confess my campaigning was more limited in 2001, but for reasons irrelevant to the current discussion) and on the morning of our victory in '97 I ran up a high street with a Vote Labour banner, singing the Red Flag and the Internationale and danced with an early morning street-cleaner who shared my delight that we'd ditched the Tories.  And never believe for a second that I'd want them back - or that any of us on the left, who remember that period, want them back. 

There are policies favoured by people on the right that I simply do not understand.  I find it inexplicable that people who chose to join a social democratic party of the centre-left would champion such policies.  I would add now, that sticking with those policies seem like part of a recipe for losing the next election as many of our long-term voters have started experimenting with casting their votes elsewhere.  But though I don't understand, and I will argue against them to the ends of the earth, I will not say that Brown will push on with 42 day detention because he wants to lost in 2010, or that you oppose raising the minimum wage or improving trade union rights because you want us to lose.  Of course you don't.  I don't know why you hold those views, and this sort of forum helps us understand, but please don't accuse us of having motives other than those we profess.  I want the Labour Party to move left a) because I always have, b) because I believe such policies will help those who I believe we exist to represent, and c) because I think it will help us win.  But never question the fact that I want us to win.


Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#22)

Exactly. I have also realised this. There are of course some who just post on Labourhome, including some on the left just to say "Yah boo! Labour's rubbish". But while I have an anti-theist track record, there is a very important stereotypical saying that comes from Buddism. "Change comes from within." That is why many stay, and while I disagree on some issues with Duncan, he is commited to voicing his opinions within the Labour party. 

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#14)

Hello;
I think the measures you suggest are wise - I think this thread has shown there's no shortage of pragmatic measures the government could take that would be extremely popular with people from across the income spectrum, whilst being highly redistributive - the trademark of the perfect policy, surely? However, I disagree with your caricature of the 'hard left': I'm a McDonnell supporter and member of the LRC, but would've been a right-winger in Kinnock's day, and would identify as a Hattersleyite in terms of values and core beliefs. I also think your dismissal of 'the same old policies' is unfair: building council housing and wanting people to own their homes are not mutually exclusive - it deals with the fact that people simply cannot afford what the markets are providing. I thought even New Labour believed in intervention when markets failed? And there's no evidence that improved working conditions reduce competitiveness - quite the reverse, in fact. The Blairites built their project on a grossly exaggerated view of the constraints placed on the state by globalization, which simply is not supported by the facts. Reduced inequality is also strongly associated with increased growth, not to mention concurrent reductions in spending due to improved health, crime etc. Had New Labour adopted the Old Right agenda of increased equality with little attention to ownership, I'd have no problem with them - the fact is they took a position far to the right of what anyone was advocating before, with no logical rationale for doing so.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#13)

My three:

1) Free hospital car-parking.

2) Free prescriptions.

3) Free bus passes for all under 21s.

Told you I liked free things...

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#15)

Thank you jijb2 and doctordunc for your welcome, much appreciated. 

However, doctordunc, don't think you read my second point as closely as you could have, probably still too cross with me by that stage, I add a raising of the 40% tax threshold to take more people out of that tax bracket and say we should cut some public spending as well.  Am definitely sure they did not appear on any other list in this section.

I accept that some people in the party are just more to the left than me and genuinely want a Labour Government to do all the things they want to do.  HOwever, there are people who are like those I describe as well and my problem comes when those on the left who want a left wing labour government - and don't get every i dotted and t crossed then go to extremes in attacking their own party as no better or different from the Tories.  That is just not true.  There is not one person in the Cabinet who is a Tory, thinks like a Tory and wants to be a Tory.  They are social democrats who believe in equality of opportunity, a safety net for those who need it, and a vibrant economy that pays for schools, the NHS and other vital public services.

I am sure you all believe in better public services, my problem is that you don't want the first bit that leads to better public services.  You believe in the ultimate power of the state to deliver when history shows us the state is not always the right tool. 

And, as for jljb2 list.  Sorry, but there are far better things to spend NHS money on than free prescriptions when the vast majority are already free according to need (the principle of the NHS); and free car parking at a time when we are trying to encourage less car use and more public transport use.

Oh, and I agree with ID cards.

Thanks

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#16)

ProudvotingLabour

"HOwever, there are people who are like those I describe as well and my problem comes when those on the left who want a left wing labour government - and don't get every i dotted and t crossed then go to extremes in attacking their own party as no better or different from the Tories." 

I do believe that it is important to state what we are for, and the government has done things that I support (which I would be happy to list), and I support Labour because it is better than the Tories.

However, you talk as though we might have almost had a left-wing government (whatever that might mean) apart from a few 'i's dotted and 't's crossed... and that people like myself, proud to be a socialist, are carping about the details - so, if you will forgive me for glancing backwards for a moment - here are some of the considerable policy and other differences I have had with New Labour, and which, I believe have contributed to the loss of half of our membership, plus our electoral decline:

Privatisations (many, beginning with air traffic control and ending with the Tote)
Deregulation - which is contributing to the destruction of the Post Office
PFI which has mortgaged the public sector to the market, locked into very expensive deals
PPP - for similar reasons
The invasion of Iraq in defiance of the UN at the time
The continuing war in Afghanistan
Terrorism acts with the erosion of fundamental liberties such as habeas corpus (dating back to Magna Carta)
Threats to restrict trial by jury
ID cards
Tution fees
Top-up fees
Academy schools

You will note that most of these measures have been driven through against great hostility in the party, and some, notably Iraq, only got through parliament because of Conservative support. These issues have not generally been popular with the public and some are downright unpopular. In some cases (most notably Iraq) opposition to these measures has been vindicated by subesquent events (also for example the failed privatisation of the London Underground).

To their credit, even the Tories have woken up to the fact that the public mood is turning against further encroachments on civil liberties, but it is painful to think that we might have to rely on the Conservative party and the House of Lords to protect our fundamental liberties.



Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#17)

Free Radical.

I could also list a number of issues that this government has delivered on that merit its continuing support whichever side of the party you are on, indeed stuff like the minimum wage and devolution were in the first ever Labour Manifesto and it took a Blair Government to actually deliver them - Attlee, Wilson et al all failed on that front.  But then I would be accussed of harking on about things the Government did before but what about what it is doing now, so it is far more fun to shoot some of your foxes instead. - if you will excuse the hunt ban pun.

Tote privatisation - you really think it is a good idea for the state to own a betting company?

Deregulation - Post Offices are victim of the very thing we are communicating via now - the computer and internet - people do not use post offices anymore, that is why the Post Office is subsidising them to the tune of £200m a year and more.  You notice that people only come out of the woodwork about their local post office when it is being closed down - perhaps if they used it in the first place?

PFI has delivered hundreds of new hospitals and schools across the country that are being used now, every day by the communities we claim to represent.  Billions of pounds of public investment delivering the things we promised in 1997 - better schools and hospitals.  Before 1997 nearly 80% of NHS buildings were around before the NHS was formed, now it is well less than half - you cannot provide modern healthcare in victorian facilities.

Iraq and Afghanistan - yes people opposed this, but that does not mean it was wrong.  The Taleban and Saddam Hussien were tyrants who murdered their people and subjicated women and minorities in equal measure.  There was, and remains, a real left argument for removing these regimes - why should others not have the freedoms we have because they are powerless and we are too scared to act?  And as for the aftermath - it is radical Iranian funded Islamic sects and the deposed Baathists who are bombing schools, market places and the police, not us and not the US.  What do you propose we do to help the people of Burma, write letters to the Junta?

Threats to restrict trial by jury?  Threats?  Is this really an indictment of a Labour Government, something they have not done?

ID cards.  I have lived in Germany and other parts of the world where the ability to identify yourself is taken for granted and a normal part of society - it is only in the UK that a mixture of the extreme left and the libertarian right would see a card with a picture on it as a threat to fundamental liberties.

University fees - grants were, and are, a middle class con trick.  Why should a cleaner pay taxes so that the son of their employer can go to university for free?  Full grants were non redistributory and a disgrace.  By targetting support at those in need, and recognising that HE is a choice that people make, not something they are forced into, and the fact that through the years of grants there was no movement in the social make up of HE - just more middle class kids getting paid to go to University whilst others lower down the social scale never even throught about it.  And, I have not noticed any specific change in the numbers of students wanting to avail themselves of the system?

Academy Schools - the left always bang on about Scandinavia as some sort of nirvana, well they have independent schools funded by the public sector, set up by those who want better education for their kids.  Sorry people but we cannot force a one size fits all solution on generations of children because the NUT says so - they are the provider interest, we should be on the side of the users of services.

There you go, I actually agree with new Labour.  Will keep my head down now, sure some of you will be very cross with me now.




Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#18)

You are right on some of those points, but for me any Labour government which fails to make radical reductions in poverty, and which allows inequality to rise, is a failed Labour government. The general attitude of New Labour, its embrace of individualism and failure to develop a coherent moral code for society is also abysmal. No-one is arguing that some good things haven't been done - we're just saying we've squandered an opportunity to really change society - in fact, all we've done is smooth a few rough edges. The failure to be proud of where we have redistributed is also shameful - we've done it by stealth, rather than openly: hardly a recipe for creating public enthusiasm for further redistribution.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#23)

On some of the more contraversial issues, such as Iraq and Top-up fees, I have sided with the government. But on PPP, PFI, and crime measures, as well as on civil liberty issues, I've disagreed.


But on issues like Post office closures, and academy schools, you're not in the clear. First of all, you speak to many who go to their post office reguarly, and they will tell you there are lots of people who use the post office. Second, many on the left have praised Sweden, like I, but have also seen that academy schools have not helped social mobility in Sweden.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#24)

Also, needless beaurocracy has been a failure of this government.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#25)

ProudvotingLabour

I said that there were things I support that Labour has done - and there are many, but I wanted to explain why it's not been a matter of not dotting 'i's and crossing 't's but a matter of deep disappointment on a number of key issues, not only to party members, half of whom have left, but also to many supporters.

On the Tote - yes I'm fine about the state owning it. I'm not a betting person but I believe it provides a good service and makes a profit for the exchequer. What is wrong with it being in public hands?

On the Post Office - there are indeed changes as you say that are cutting Post Office use, but deregulation is contributing to these difficulties, as it has from the outset. The Postmaster General used to have a seat in the cabinet. Then the (profitable) telecommunications part was sold off by Thatcher to give us the much-loved BT and the (less profitable) postal services remained in public hands. Since then, the government has transferred a number of services from the Post Office and is breaking up the Royal Mail monopoly on mail so that the private sector can cherry pick the best, most profitable bits - and... hey presto we are all left to pick up the bill. So a successful model of public service is reduced to an unsuccessful one, supposedly showing the failure of public service...?

PFI has indeed resulted in renewal of services such as hospitals - but at a great cost to the taxpayer. It was done partly for ideological reasons - the government's love of the market and, perhaps more importantly, to remove public spending from the figures for money supply and government finances. But the cost is that we will pay heavily for this for the next 30 years in expensive deals that effectively subsidise the private sector from the public purse. All of this has been well analysed as you are surely aware.

On Iraq and Afghanistan, if you think that the populations of these countries are now enjoying their freedoms, or that the reason we wage war against them is anything to do with this then, with respect, I think you are sadly deluded - though I do understand that some have had honourable, if greatly mistaken, motives for supporting our waging of war. We are responsible for at least 666,000 excess deaths in Iraq as The Lancet study showed. In addition we have used more ordnance in Afghanistan than in Iraq, and the writ of the government there runs little further than Kabul I think. Imperialism is not a way of delivering democracy. I recommend Robert Fisk's The Great War for Civilisation for in-depth and rigorous explanation of this.

Threats to the jury system - thank goodness they have been staved off by the judiciary. 

On ID cards - you are perhaps forgetting that Britain, or more accurately England, used to be famed across the world for it's liberty (even while we were trampling on other peoples') - Winston Churchill's History of the English Speaking People's is very good on this. Thank goodness many people here still value it. But it's a shame if we leave it up to the Tories to champion liberty.

University fees - as the first person in the history of my family, and coming from a poor background, to go to university I certainly appreciated the grant system of the time. It looks as though loans and tuition fees have reduced the proportion of working class young people going to university. After Iraq this was the worst decision of the government. Grants and no fees were not a con trick at all, because when things are paid from general taxation the rich pay more, or at least they should - so it is fine for the services to be free (although there was always a sliding scale for grants). The reduction in social mobility under Labour is perhaps the cruellest indictment of New Labour.

On Academy schools - it is another neo-liberal con-trick to use the public purse to reward the private sector with disproportionate influence, at the same time removing local democratic accountability. New Labour in a nutshell.

Even so, it has been better to have a Labour government than a Tory government and, like you, I will fight to see the return of a Labour government at the next election.
 

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#26)

people do not use post offices anymore

Well, actually they do.  And lots of people would prefer to use the post office but are no longer allowed to (for collecting pensions, benefits, etc. or for the Girobank).

There is a difference between something not being profitable and it not being used.  There are plenty of private companies that we subsidise to a huge extent (the railways for example, and agriculture) - we subsidise them because they are useful and/or necessary whether they are profitable or not.  Unfortunately, the logic of the market and of neo-liberalism is only a theory, and most practice demonstrates it to be a rubbish one.

you cannot provide modern healthcare in victorian facilities

No arguments here, but PFI is just public borrowing on absolutely ROTTEN terms.  You were fond of referring to con tricks in your thread - well PFI is just that.  If it's intended to be pragmatic, then it's just a way of keeping borrowing off the balance sheets (but is actually a lousy deal for tax-payers; me criticising this is not anti-Labour - it was a Tory innovation and I think a Labour government is much more likely to ditch the con than a Tory one).  It's also dogmatic, of course.  Part of some semi-supernatural belief in the superiority of private finance and private management, even though in the case of PFI and PPPs what we are really talking about it tax payers sending money to private shareholders in exchange for cut corners, reduced workers' rights and reduced accountability.  It should be a bigger public scandal than it is.

What do you propose we do to help the people of Burma, write letters to the Junta?

Are you proposing we bomb Rangoon and invade?  Do you imagine the people of Burma would be the winners in such a scenario?  Why haven't we invaded Burma?  Or Zimbabwe?  Or Sudan?  Or North Korea?  Or Saudi Arabia?  I mean if it's about tyrants, or the oppression of people, surely we'd be in a state of permanent war?  Why, in some of these cases, far from invading, do we send military aid or have close military and economic ties? (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, etc.)  When you ask what I propose to do to help the people of Burma, quite low down on my list would be to encourage the sale of weapons, tools of oppression, etc. to the junta (okay there's been an embargo since 1988 on arms sales, though helicopters we've built for India have ended up there - in Uzbekistan it took till our arms were used in a massacre in 2005 before there was an EU arms embargo), or to encourage their kleptocracy through close business ties, via the likes of British-American Tobacco, etc.  I don't disagree with you that there was an honest left-wing case for intervention; but it does seem to fly in the face of reason.  Everyone agrees military action (especially large-scale military action where the deaths of many civilians is guaranteed) should be an absolute last resort, yet nobody could begin to claim that it was used in that way in Iraq or Afghanistan. 

Why should a cleaner pay taxes so that the son of their employer can go to university for free? 

How many times have I heard this?  I think you and I agree that the cleaner should not be paying taxes at all!  Also, through a system of grants and no fees (coupled with a real commitment to comprehensive education and the dumping of idiotic 'academies', etc) the likelihood of the cleaner's son or daughter should go to university is much increased.  I've been arguing about this for 10 years now, and people still don't get it.  I work every day with people applying for universities, and I tell them all about the bursaries they might be able to get, and how they don't have to start paying their loans back till they're earning £15k, etc - because I want them to apply.  But there is no doubt whatsoever that increasing numbers in my sort of sector (FE) are deciding against applying, despite being set to get good A Level results or other level 3 qualifications.  Yes, there are a lucky few getting the bursaries and the reduced offers; but less of them are going.  And the ones that do go, in the last couple of years, huge numbers are dropping out, and listing the financial uncertainty very high on their list.  It is amazing how tempting full-time employment can be as you see those debts mounting; the likelihood of dropping out is actually increased by the fact that a hugely increased number of students from working-class (and lower middle-class) backgrounds are choosing to stay at home to study, making leaving psychologically easier.  You can tell them they're making the wrong decisions - I do that myself - but that's not the point: this is the reality of the fees and no grants situation.  I'm hoping the return of means-tested grants may have some improvements, but I'm not holding my breath.  If the government had been seeking a method of expanding higher education while still keeping it as a preserve for the middle and upper classes, they couldn't have done better.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#33)

This may be the first time we have potentially found common ground on foreign policy. I have now come to the conclusion, that I would've opposed the war in 2003, because of the WMD rationale. I still believe it has helped non-proliferation to an extent, as Gaddafi capitulated, and there is no doubt that if Saddam had had weapons, he would've used them. In theory, I believe we should've intervened, but we did not help matters by introducing World Bank neo-liberalism- a synonym for Thatcherism on steroids. But I agree, it should've been a last resort. My problem was though, that many on the anti-war side did not offer to propose an alternative to topple Saddam (if they had, I would've supported it).

Roosevelt for all his faults in inadvertedly exacerbating Islamic fundamentalism in Saudi Arabia, (though his foreign policies were not nearly as bad as the mostly illiegal wars between '51 and '89 commited by the US), realised that the way to bury fascism, was to build up the economies of West Germany and Japan. There is mass unemployment in Iraq, mainly among young Sunni men. As rediculous as it may sound, why not propose a form of a New Deal there? Also, we must guarentee that Iraq has full control over oil supplies, establishing a co-ownership scheme, distributed among the Kurds, Sunnis and Shias.

But we certainly need a more ethical foreign policy, yes. We can achieve this through left-wing goals. How do we break Middle-East backed tyranny? We must find a renewable energy source. Meanwhile, the excellent CAAT campaign has proposed clean arms policies, which must be enacted. (On that note, well done to Brown for signing the Ban on Cluster bombs treaty).

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#47)

Jkitleft

There are problems in any case with the idea of disposing of bad governments. Who decides when it is a bad government worthy of being overthrown, and by what mechanism is this to be achieved?

Presumably you will accept the desirability of some framework of international law. I am not a lawyer but I understand there is a framework and the United Nations is linked to this. My understanding is that the UN is built upon the principle of respect for national sovereignty. There are limited grounds for invading countries. However the security council can decide to act under certain circumstances. This system is imperfect perhaps but probably just about the best we can do without a world government and a world policeman... (which I'm not at all sure would be a good idea!). 

The  best we could have done with Sadam was not install him in the first place, and then not arm him to the teeth. We installed him because we wanted some control over Iraqi oil, we defeated him but didn't remove him from power because we didn't want Iran to control Iraq, and we removed him because we wanted some control over Iraqi oil. The biggest losers have been the Iraqi people who have suffered at every single turn of Western foreign policy. Now we have caused the virtual dismemberment of the country as well as more than 666,000 deaths. The United States has no intention whatsoever of leaving and is building permanent bases. To my simplistic way of thinking, for as long as the United States is based in Iraq, the Iraqis will not enjoy full sovereignty nor full control of their oil.

You draw an analogy, which is often drawn, with Germany and Japan as ways in which America installed a successful and democratic system (which is in many ways true). But here there are key differences with Iraq and Afghanistan (and indeed Burma or anywhere else you might like to invade).

Germany and Japan were:
Aggressors in a war against the West
Comprehensively and utterly defeated after a prolonged war of their own making
Hugely successful industrial powers with a highly educated workforce, even if their infrastructure was largely destroyed
In addition the United States poured in vast amounts of money to rebuild the German and Japanese economies

The false comparison with Germany and Japan has been drawn upon as a model for foreign intervention. But they were very special cases. Iraq and Afghanistan (even though legitimised under international law - at least retrospectively in the case of Iraq) are to my mind much more reminiscent of the nineteenth century imperialism of the European powers.

Finally, well done indeed to Gordon Brown for signing the treaty banning cluster bombs.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#19)

I agree we have higher priorities - mine had already been covered by Dunc and others, so I thought I'd offer some populist policies. I think these are valid ideas though, which would be highly redistributive and would be extremely popular: we should be funding the NHS through progressive taxation, not flat-rate car parking charges of up to £15 a day! The NHS is supposed to be a caring organisation, but that smacks of greed. As for prescriptions, to my knowledge only those on benefits receive free ones - that leaves out a lot of people on low incomes who would benefit hugely - and it's not even that costly.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#20)

The following people are entitled to free prescriptions, which I can assure you, represents the vast majority of prescriptions handed out in England.

<h2>Who is entitled to get free prescriptions?</h2>
  • If you are under 16 (under 25 in Wales).
  • If you are under 19 and in full-time education.
  • If you are aged 60 or over.
  • If you (or your partner) gets one of the following:
    • Income Support.
    • Income-based Jobseeker's Allowance.
    • Pension Credit Guarantee Credit.
  • If you have an NHS tax credit exemption certificate.
  • Some war pensioners - if treatment is connected with the pensionable disability.
  • If you have a prescription exemption certificate (see below).
  • People on a low income who have a certificate HC2 (see below).

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#21)

Well, that's good to know - I knew students did, obviously, but wasn't aware of the prescription exemption certificate: I've not needed a prescription in living memory, so I confess to ignorance - but this seems an overly bureaucratic way of doing things, what with reapplications every time you want to do it, and all that form-filling - which must lead to significant underclaiming? If indeed this represents the majority of prescriptions, then the administrative burden probably exceeds the cost of making it free for everyone. Universal services are also less likely to be scrapped by future govts, as all individuals have a motive to keep it universally free. I think a move to universal free prescriptions would be very popular - more dignified and more likely to be redistributive.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#27)

1- immediate resumption of council housing building programme;

2- get police back on the streets and reintroduce police stations in areas where they have been closed (I lived in a semi rural area in Scotland and the police station was miles away)

3- newly qualified GPs to be committed to working a certain number of sessions per week in NHS General Practice for,say, 5 years after qualifying. Too many qualify, buy into partnerships, then work three days a week as that's all the income they need, or they undertake private work in their free time.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#44)

Where do you think these newly qualified GPs are doing private work?  There is hardly any private general practice. And partnerships are now very difficult to find.    There are plenty of problems in health, but this isn't one of them.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#28)

1. Progressive taxation

2. Local living wage

3. Ethical foreign policy. 

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#29)

Lots of interesting suggestions on here, hard to cut down to three but here goes:

1) Transformation of social housing. Not only should we be building more social housing, we should be offering funding and incentives to housing associations to buy up rental properties. The worst effect of any housing market crash will come in the over-supply of flats, disproportionately owned by buy-to-let speculators. The govt can actively, and visibly, protect the housing market from the worst by intervening in this way at the bottom end. I know Brown promised £200M for this last week, but that is a paltry figure that will change nothing. Longer-term we should be disincentivising multiple home-ownership by incrementally raising tax on second, third homes etc.

2) Entrench the many redistributive social programmes that would be Cameron's first target in govt. Tax credits need to be simplified, reformed and properly sold to the public, Sure Start needs to be entrenched. I'll bet my bottom dollar Cameron follows the neo-conservative direction we've already seen in the States. Bush trashed many, many programmes on the grounds that they 'weren't working'. Well, Labour needs to prepare for this assault on the public sphere by publicising and defending these programmes, showing that they do 'work'.

3) Grant genuine rights to all agency, and temporary workers. I can't believe this point has to be made after 11 years of a Labour government.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#30)

Education : Ensure education is free to first degree level - If we want to get back in then we need an electorate that won't vote for the Daily Mail

Privatisation : Get rid of it - give the control and the responsibility of our utilities back to the state - these are necessities not cash cows for shareholders

Unemployment:  Keep it low and a good economy will follow.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#31)

Fairness on taxation
Fairness on pay
Fairness on public services
 
Tories are selfish.  

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#45)

We need to stress our differences with the Tories.  A fairer and more equal society is what we need.  Excessive inequality in wealth is very destructive of health and well being.  In more equal societies people live longer happier lives.  Crime and most social problems are less.  Even if people are poorer.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#32)

Top three (not covered):

1. Simplify the tax system.
2. Abolish the BBC licence fee.
3. Create a law which makes it impossible to use a law for an unintended purpose (e.g. terror laws for fly tipping).


Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#34)

How do think we should fund the Beeb?

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#35)

As it is now.  I've seen underfunded public TV and it's sparse and struggling. The Beeb is the only truly British thing left to be proud of.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#36)

No Beeb would lead to a Murdochian monopoly over our TV screens. Which is a horrifying thought for anyone vaguely progressive.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#38)

I agree.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#41)

Don't get me wrong. I think the Beeb is brilliant but the cost of administrating the fee along with the threat of fines or prison for poor people seems daft to me. Especially when usage is no longer related to watching a TV set (with BBC.co.uk and iPlayer etc.).

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#46)

Personally - it should straight off income tax (not that we need to be messing around with that again!!).

It'd be the fairest way as (although I haven't done the sums) if the top two bands of income tax bore the burden) of the £2.8bn required - it may be tolerable as they now don't have to pay the £140 every year.

Those families are, probably, the ones that use the BBC the most iPlayer, BBC.co.uk etc anyway.


The BBC is brilliant for raising the level of debate (or at least helping it fall more slowly) and the charter for education etc is something done for the entire country  - yet – it is like the poll tax in that it costs everyone the same.

Abolishing the fee, at a stroke, gets rid of the 12% of all cases in the magistrates court not to mention the cost of administrating the fee (a nasty and farcical process).
There’s an interesting discussion here and the points made by the advocate of keeping the fee are simply not convincing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUqFlgsPi2c


Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#51)

I agree. Essentially we would save money. I know people who are perfectly willing to pay for it, in exchange for no adverts. However, however superficial cuts for the poorer would be, it is still the equivalent of a regressive tax. People could apply for special dispensation. So pensioners should still be exempt etc.

While also saving money on magistrates courts, we could also have greater control over how the money is spent. We could say as Jonathan Ross is technically a state employee, he should not be getting £18 million.

Consider this. Our prisons are bursting. 2,000 people are in prisons for being too poor to pay their fines. I wouldn't feel any less safer if they were let out. Shouldn't we take 'crimes' like not paying the license fee out of the criminal system and into the tax system?

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#37)

I'm genuinely surprised that nobody has mention universal childcare yet. That could potentially be a big vote-winning idea.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#39)

Yes, that's a good one as well.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#40)

When Howard was driving the last election into a Republican ditch, with the xenophobic insinuations, especially about asylum seekers, and seeking to make capital out of the abortion issue, Blair almost fell into the trap.

Brown suggested that Labour's no.1 campaigning issue should be universal childcare. Maybe he could learn from this.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#42)

He should indeed! It'd show that Labour understands one of the issues virtually every working family worries about, unlike the Tories. It would indicate that there is a genuine progressive difference between Labour and Tory governments, and expose the Tories' weakness about commitment to public services. It's win-win.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#43)

I think the government seriously underestimates how much social-democratic policies would be welcomed by Middle-England. Why not up maternity leave to Swedish levels? How about a policy that allows mums to stay at home if their child is sick?

These are the issues people care about. The Tories support withdrawing the rights of part-time workers. A substantial number of Labour MP's turned out to support a Private Member's bill guarenteeing temporary and ageny workers, equal rights.

We need to emphasise these differences.

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#48)

1) Making service industries public service industries again

2) Introduce serious eco-policies and stop the building of motorways and runways etc but invest heavily in public transport instead

3) Focus on rebuilding our industrial and agricultural roots again so that we are less reliant on global trends and imports

Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#49)

1) a pledge that no member of society will remain with basic numeracy or literacy skills including:
i) additional investment in schools and colleges in basic skills;
ii) an employer levy/requirement to pledge to upskilling staff;
iii) simplified school/college targets based upon basic skills outcomes and progression

2) Excepting pensions, that no-one can receive in total benefits from the state more than 25 hours multiplied by the minimum wage per week and that this is redistributed via taxation allowances (i.e. a tax allowance that was not just a "no-tax" but an initial payment) for the first £5,000 of income to end the trap of being worse off by working and effectively provide the payment for childcare and transport

3) To separate the civil service into front-line delivery (tax inspectors, social security etc.) and management areas (funding bodies of education, health).  To retain the delivery element and to significantly reduce the management element placing greater emphasis upon bottom-up leadership and management by front-line services.

4) (yes I am having 4) To realise that we are no longer a world power and to stop wasting money on military spending as if we were still one.  To roll back from all of our "foreign adventures" and to drastically cut our military spending to prevent any new ones.  To take all that wasted money and plough it into more effective public services and a reduction of the tax burden.


Re: Your three item policy 'wish list' (#50)

1 - Stop retreating on inheritance tax. Follow the recent Fabian proposals and replace the current estates tax with a lifetime capital receipts tax, earmark the money towards extending free childcare. The arguments in favour of equality of opportunity follow from both left and right wing principles. It's disgraceful we've allowed a campaign orchestrated by nothing more principled than greed to win public opinion, because hardly anyone has had the guts to make the case.

2 - Bring in a personal carbon allowance, following in the example of the carbon rationing for business (which incidentally needs to have the numbers of permits issued set according to how much carbon we can afford to release, not how much businesses ask to be issued). Though I think otherwise it would be a waste of money, the ID card scheme could help here if digital carbon rationing was added to it, which wouldn't be that difficult. This would both limit carbon usage and create redistributive markets as the wealthy who use more carbon buy carbon credits (or whatever we call them) from poorer families. At the same time put make money avaiable for free insulation etc. so those in cheap inefficient houses aren't hit.

3 - Introduce a raft of change to reinvigorate democracy. Replace the Lords with a Senate elected by STV, also introduce STV for local council elections. Maybe don't bring in PR for the Commons just yet, there are more issues to overcome there, but at least bring in alternative vote. Implement the brilliant idea of the Power Inquiry with regards funding for parties - at each election every voter has the right to allocate a certain amount, say £3 per year, to any party, which need not be the one they vote for. If they wish, they can choose for the money to not go to any, and stay in the public coffers. The money from this goes directly to the constituency party, not to central party organisations, which still rely on (regulated) donations. This means parties have to rely on popular support to get funding, and opens up the possibility for parties to build themselves up anywhere. (Ideally on constitutional issues I'd like to abolish the Monarchy but that's definitely one to wait for public support).