Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance

I don't mind David Cameron getting over-confident and bragging at the 19th hole after yesterday's results outside London.

On the current estimate of share of the vote outside London, the Tories achieved a 4.5% swing over the 2004 results in the same seats (Tories up 7, Labour down 2).  Looks good for DC.

But let's put that swing into the Electoral Calculus predictor, which seems quite sophisticated, and see what it does to the 2005 General Election result.  

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National Prediction: CON short 36 of majority

          2005%      seats      predicted %      predicted seats

CON    33.24%     208          40.24%           290

LAB     36.21%     347          34.20%           282

LIB      22.65%       66           20.64%           48



Yesterday's set of councils has always been better for the Tories than the seats that come up in other years. After winning these councils in 2004 by 37% to Labour's 26%, the press said Labour was on course to lose big at the General Election. A year later the Tories fell back to 32.4% against Labour's 35.2% and TB got his historic third term, a swing back to Labour of 7% over the 2004 council elections.

To win a Parliamentary majority, Cameron needs a swing of 7% plus over the 2005 General Election result.

Projections on the new boundaries say the Conservatives could deprive Labour of an overall majority with a swing of 2%.

But Cameron needs to do much better than he did yesterday to reach Downing Street.


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Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#1)

Guys, the country simply want you to call a spade a spade.  if you've lost big, why don't you come out and say you have, you're not happy, and you'll work to reverse it?

Btw, how is 44% Tory to 24% Labour a bad result for the Tories and a bad omen for the GE...?

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#2)

I agree - we lost big and need to do more than to learn to listen and then simply ignore once again!

However, the swing figures between 2004-2008 and applied to 2005 actually give a predicted 2009 result of:

Con 39 Lab 33 Libs 22

Which using the less reliable than supposed above electoral calculator gives:

Con - 290
Lab 274
LDs 56

So not an overall majority for Cameron...

and hardly anything for Labour to be even remotely cheerful about!

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#5)

Heard some interesting analysis on the national picture from Sky News.  This is how their numbers would pan out:

Con: 390
Lab: 181
LD: 52

Got to admit, it's looking a little shaky for the Tories...

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#3)

Much as I'd love to find the positives in all this...  I don't think that it makes much sense to consider the swing since 2004 as that was a bloody awful election for us too (and good one for Cameron).  So the glimmer of light on the horizon is that we went on to win the 2005 election.

But we've had a 'mare and should be open about it, or we just sound daft.

Re: Cameron can't win (#4)

I agree. Losing over 300 council setas is not a bad result.
Obviosly Labour policies are working.
Steady as she goes.

Mori Opinion polls are more reliable than YouGov.

That's the way to win the next election.... for the Tories...

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#6)

Does anyone want to run a book on how many sarcastic tories post almost identical messages on this thread?

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#7)

Well there are more than Labour supporters.. just like the polls:-)

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#8)

It just came up now on TV transfer this loss to an election and Cameron would have a majority, it's that bad.

Re: Cameron can't win on yesterday's performance (#9)

I think your methodology is flawed. You are comparing the 2004 results with those in 2005, when it's 2008 and we all know there won't be an election next year. Compare the estimated national equivalent vote in 2003 (Con 35, Lab 30, LD 27) with the 2005 results (Con 32.5, Lab 35.3, LD 22.1) and the estimated national equivalent vote results last night (Con 44, Lab 24, LD 25) and the predicted 2010 results would be Con 41.3, Lab 28.7, LD 20.8. Stick THAT into electoral calculus and the Tories win a 50 seat majority.