Nick Robinson - is he biased?

Nick Robinson's report on Gordon Brown (BBC 1, 10 O'Clock News, Wednesday May 14th) appeared to be a straightforward piece of character assassination rather than reputable journalism.

It opened with a close up of bitten fingernails with words along the lines of - these are the hands of the man who is running the country. No, really? Pan out from the hands to reveal Gordon Brown.

The BBC's political editor, and former chair of the Young Conservatives, (No really? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/sep/05/broadcasting.mondaymediasection) goes on to say that the government has made a number of policy announcements - these flash up on the screen rapidly over one another (i.e. viewers, there are just too many announcements). There is then some actual opinionated reporting (the current affairs bit). And at the end of the piece we return to a close up of tired eyes, which are Gordon Brown's.

Now, whatever you think of Gordon Brown, this kind of reporting is, in my opinion, a disgrace. And unfortunately it typifies a growing trend of subjective, arrogant, superior, patronising and cynical reporting that is deeply corrosive of our democracy. To depoliticise the debate in this way and replace it with opinion is a descent into the standards of the gutter press.

Don't worry about the tiresome details of politics, let's just concentrate on some gossip. And don't worry about thinking - we can do that for you...



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Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#1)

To depoliticise the debate in this way and replace it with opinion is a descent into the standards of the gutter press.

I didn't see the report, so I can't comment on it unfortunately.  You may possibly have a point. 

However, this problem is by no means unique to one side.  The BBC have for years shown favouritism towards Labour - Jane Garvey's admission that there were 'champagne bottles littered all over the floor of the BBC' on May 2 1997 says it all. 

The fact that journalists are now taking the Tories seriously is testament to how well Blair was at keeping the debate on his terms, and the opposition shackled.  This certainly isn't something one could say of Brown.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#2)

Prbo - I agree that there is a general issue that is not unique to one party, and I have a wider concern that the sneering at (elected) politicians in general by the (unelected) media is corrosive of our democracy. I am all for the media doing their rightful job of holding those in power to account on our behalf - and I was right behind the BBC in their questionning of the government over Iraq, WMD, the dodgy dossier and the "sexing up" of intelligence - they were doing exactly what the media ought to be doing.

But we seem to be awash with simple opinion, and journalists interviewing one another, about subjects that we are all grown up enough to decide for ourselves, and replacing political debate with their opinon.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#3)

Very much agree with your latter comments FR.  That's why blogs are such a great force for good in politics, despite what the MSM says.  One of the primary causes of the breakdown in news coverage has to be the introduction of 24hr rolling news, with so much time to fill and so little to say. 

I remember at school hearing that in victorian days papers such as the times used to print speeches from the party leaders in full on their front pages - I wouldn't necessarily advocate that now, but it showed a commendable faith in readers to be able to make their own minds up.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#4)

Yes Prbo - I agree wholeheartedly!

I think the other factor is cuts in funding of news journalism that have hit ITN and the BBC hard. It's quite cheap and easy (or lazy) to have journalists making the news and interviewing one another.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#12)

I have to say, as a more or less right wing person, that I agree with all of this. There does seem to be a feeling on all sides that ordinary people are not listened to, that political debate only takes place amongst a small elite that dominates the media.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#13)

Agreed also.

You know what I find pretty telling about the political debate (such as it is)?

The new politicshome website is simply a collection of what newspapers are saying.

Nothing from the select committes. Nothing on the business of Parliament. Nothing on submissions to consultations. Nothing on Lords and little on Commons debates. Nothing on early day motions. Nothing on local government.

Just newspaper commentary and a panel of journalists with politicians who contribute to newspapers anyway.

The home of politics?

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#14)

The BBC is left wing but not left wing biased, in being left it is merely being rational and sensible, like we progressives. Enough of this nonsense against the BBC, they are our allies.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#5)

There was also the Alistair Darling misquote story that he launched in Feb after a Tory press release with a truncated Hansard quote was issued 2.5 hours earlier. To be fair you did have to read Hansard closely in the full context to understand properly what Darling meant, but you'd rather expect that of a BBC Political Editor wouldn't you.

Personally I find the right-wing views of Andrew Neil, which he has severe trouble hiding, more annoying. He really does push the right-wing think tank agenda along in the mainstream (if you regard The Daily Politics as mainstream).

 

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#15)

I think the reason I do not mind Andrew Neil is that he never pretends to be anything other than he is, and he is not in a position that particularly demands impartiality - unlike the political editor of the BBC.

Whether or not Robinson allows his political sympathies to influence his reporting or not, it is the arrogant style of the reporting - sneering, and contemptuous and partronising that is so inappropriate, and to me, offensive. Furthermore, style is displacing content. Shallow concerns about presentation are displacing important political debate.

Robinson is unfortunately not the only one - Robert Peston, David Grossman, and Michael Crick all seem to have been schooled in this dreadful style. It's one thing to have a funny, witty and cynical parliamentary sketch like Simon Hoggart's in the Guardian. But it's another thing to turn the whole of political reporting into a sneering and cynical game. All of the above journalists - and they are just journalists - are capable of saying perceptive and intelligent things, but, do we need to be fed opinion about non-specialist matters of universal concern, and why do we have to wade through the five minutes of patronising nonsense to get to the serious part? In my opinion they are getting above themselves, and I really think we deserve better.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#6)

Don't worry about the tiresome details of politics, let's just concentrate on some gossip. And don't worry about thinking - we can do that for you...

In this case - furthering the debate about who's biased and which way they are biased pretty much asks people to take the thinking out of their politics too.
 
People ignorantly dismiss interviews where their political heroes faltered under fair questioning – it happens in the US all the time and the excuse for ineptitude usually is: the journalist was biased.

The Tories have been saying about the BBC for years.

I am heartily sick of Tories whining about the BBC. I dread the idea that we may go in for it now.

In the case of the BBC - it's clearly a matter of interpretation and where people see a broadcaster drawing an interpretive line beyond where one activist or another considers it to be unfair.

The shot of his hands is (to me) fair enough because he's bitten them to the quick as is his habit and as a man with an undeniable amount to be anxious about. Same thing with the tired eyes. It’s not gossip. It’s not deceitful. It’s not out of context.

I actually thought the interview was fair enough and, for the first time in ages, thought Brown gave a passably good account of himself.

This is (nearly) the way it’s supposed to work. Tough questions by the top journalists and acceptable answers by the top representatives or politicians.

Explaining my first statement: when everything can be discounted by the offended party because the interviewer was ‘biased’ - one way or another – it leads to a less informed discussion. If Cameron was cut up by a Guardian interviewer, it wouldn’t matter to any Tory apologist as the “they’re biased” excuse comes so easily. Same thing applies here but Nick Robinson’s work is not biased in my opinion (and I read much of the print and online media every day).

Even if he was a Tory voter with a big poster of Mrs Thatcher in his study (or owns a John Major pencil case or Ronald Reagan pyjamas!) - his work is very fair and that’s what matters as far as I can see.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#7)

*-self preservation statement-*

I'm not calling anyone here ignorant!!!

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#16)

Tony

I just don't agree that close-ups of bitten nails or tired eyes are the stuff of mainstream political reporting by the BBC's political editor on the 10 O'Clock News.

It was the commentary accompanying the close ups of hands and later tired eyes, that increased the offence - (and these words are my best recollection) "These are the hands of the man who is running the country" - and then Robinson said "No, really". And this second statement as the camera pulled back to reveal Gordon Brown is the element that constructs a narrative - not only is the Prime Minister stressed and tired, but perhaps hands like this are not appropriate to the person running the country - and therefore, we might suppose, since we can not separate Gordon Brown from his hands, perhaps this person ought not to be running the country...

Now, whether you think Gordon Brown ought to be running the country or not is up to you, but I do not believe it is the place of the BBC's political editor to tell us whether he should be or not.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#17)

I know you don't agree - I was saying that, to me, it's not deceitful, out of context or irrelevant.

I think - answering the original question - his work is not biased on the whole and that is the issue...isn't it?

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#18)

Tony

My real objection is not to his bias (though I do personally think he shows Tory sympathies in his reporting), but that this style of news journalism by the BBC political editor is not acceptable and not good for debate or good for democracy. Therefore, actually, to me, it would be equally objectionable if he subjected a Conservative or Liberal Democrat politician to the same kind of trivialising and arrogant approach that he took with Gordon Brown.

If I want this kind of opinion I can read The Sun Says or whatever. Television news reporting has a different kind of responsibility to objectivity and impartiality. I have no objection to contextualised right wing or left wing views - Matthew Paris is always very enjoyable and stimulating, but there is no pretence of objectivity - he is right wing and that is fine and he is presented in that context.

But the problem, as I see it, is the ever greater (arguably postmodern) confusion of reporting with editorialising. This has long been a feature of tabloids like The Sun or The Mirror but it is becoming a feature of the BBC news and I do not believe that is desirable or appropriate. 

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#19)

I'd wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment and have seen plummeting standards at the BBC. I haven't seen a consistent political bias but certainly falling standards in sober news reporting.

[e.g. Breakfast news presenters covering their Dancing on Ice exploits, 2 min interviews for complex subjects when we have all day, election coverage where they dress up in cowboy gear etc etc]

It was pretty telling that in the run up to the election that never was there was an awful panel interview with David Cameron - I wouldn't say it was biased against him but certainly ill researched and very poorly conducted.

I'd go one further and ask why we even refer to The Sun as a newspaper at all? If Hello! Magazine had a political correspondent - would it be a newspaper?

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#20)

Yes, I agree with all you say here.

I think it has also coincided with cuts in spending on news journalism at the BBC and ITN.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#8)

I'm not sure the beeb is as biased to Labour as people say it is. The only major politics coverage is chaired by a clearly biased Andrew Neil (you know, the union busting Murdoch employee). There are some who I have heard are leaning towards the left, Andrew Neil, Natasha Kaplinsky, David Dimbledy and others. But there are also those leaning towards the right, Andrew Neil, Nick Robinson and Clarkson.

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#9)

Paxman actually went on a fishing trip with eric clapton and george (tory boy)osbourne  but as far as bias goes i think itv still holds the crown for being the most obviously biased station,they created a snake oil salesman callled david cameron who quite happily kept plugging thier digital service knowing full well it was doomed,i think the beeb tries to be reasonably fair even if i don't like the message they sometimes send but i do think robinson is a bit of a tory but its us who have to find a better way to get our ideas across and stop getting so touchy about the muppets in the media

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#10)

I think Nick Robinson is fine most of the time. And I can never get too worked up about bias at the BBC. I'm a member of Republic, an organisation that often complains about what it sees as the BBC's defential coverage of the monarchy. I'm sympathetic to this view, but just don't think, overall, it's a big deal. Everyone thinks the BBC is biased against their own views, and no one's ever going to be completely happy that the BBC is completely impartial. And the point about ITV is important; compared to ITV the BBC comes across as a model of objectiveness.

Incidentally, I think Andrew Marr sets a really good example when it comes to impartiality. (And did anyone else see him on Jonathan Ross? He's wonderful, isn't he?)

Re: Nick Robinson - is he biased? (#11)

deferential ^