Mark Wadsworth Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:22:25 AM GMT Facebook
tags: Housing, Affordable housing, House price crash, Economy (all tags)
by rwendland on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 04:09:45 PM GMT
If it went on for 2 years, so many people would be in serious negative equity the rational thing to do would be bankrupt themselves and start again in rental. And the govt would have to nationalise half the banking and BuildSoc sector to avoid their widescale bankruptcy. Onward to socialism the fastest possible way!
The govt might be better off buying the houses and re-establishing council housing, as an alternative and less disruptive way to save the banks.
Scary thing is, this is not an entirely implausible scenario. And the financial greed merchants in New York and London could find some nice sunny islands to sit out a few years, then buy up companies at the bottom; so it's not in everyone's interests to stop this happening. Would the people stop neo-liberal economics before that could happen?
[Two years @ -2.5%/month is a 45% drop in prices.]
by Mark Wadsworth on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 08:23:59 PM GMT
Nice maths! You did 1 minus (0.975 to the power of 24) = 45%, rather than 2.5% times 24.
So d'you think that this was Nulabour's plan all along - to run the economy so badly and to allow the banks and landowners (in collusion with homeowners) to inflate a credit and house bubble so incredible (far bigger than in the late 1980s) that in the end they have got an excuse for nationalising everything?
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by alexhilton on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:46:53 AM GMT
The council house issue isn't a unlikely as you might imagine. A number of local authorities - notably Camden - bought up a lot of property to add to their housing stock during the 1970s property crash.
by rwendland on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:00:49 AM GMT
Well, I don't think this will happen.
We shouldn't worry about the initial drop as a large part of that isn't real, but a paper readjustment to unwind the pay-to-let discount scams (so a paper 90% mortgage was really 100+%). Many new flats were 10% to 15% overvalued at the Land Registry compared to what they really cost, and unwinding this is an apparent rather than real price drop. On top of that some market froth is evaporating. My guess is a 10% to 20% drop, then prices flat for many years.
I don't think a Tory govt would have foreseen the sub-prime crash any better than New Labour did - it would have rode the boom as well but without NMW and less social spending, so greater inequality. I think this is a problem largely imposed on us by veracious fee and commission hunters in New York, fed by overly low US interest rates so they play with easy borrowed money.
I do suspect the west has some painful readjustment to face over the next 30 years, as Asia has its century. Neo-liberal capitalism moves quickly and efficiently with innovation in a time of rapid growth, and if everything is growing unfairness is not paramount or that painful. But in a period of very low-growth innovation is less important and fairness a bigger issue - which should feed into leftward movement of the Labour party.
I think we are moving back to a phase of Keynesian economics and tighter regulation. Looks like the neo-liberal party is over. If this is indeed the correct analysis I do hope Brown is capable of seeing it.
NB Just heard the IMF Chief Economist on yesterday's C4 News: 25% chance of global recession, US in mild recession - recovery not expected for 2 years, but emerging states keeping global economy spinning, largest spending shock since the 30s, we need to use public spending in creative ways. 5% chance of a major international bank failing, with huge fallout.
by musicman on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:37:26 AM GMT
by jkitleft on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:46:17 PM GMT