Affordable housing

Excellent, if prices keep falling at 2.5% per month for a year or two, housing will be affordable again!



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Re: Affordable housing (#1)

If it went on for 2 years, so many people would be in serious negative equity the rational thing to do would be bankrupt themselves and start again in rental. And the govt would have to nationalise half the banking and BuildSoc sector to avoid their widescale bankruptcy. Onward to socialism the fastest possible way!

The govt might be better off buying the houses and re-establishing council housing, as an alternative and less disruptive way to save the banks.

Scary thing is, this is not an entirely implausible scenario. And the financial greed merchants in New York and London could find some nice sunny islands to sit out a few years, then buy up companies at the bottom; so it's not in everyone's interests to stop this happening. Would the people stop neo-liberal economics before that could happen?

[Two years @ -2.5%/month is a 45% drop in prices.]

Re: Affordable housing (#2)

Nice maths! You did 1 minus (0.975 to the power of 24) = 45%, rather than 2.5% times 24.

So d'you think that this was Nulabour's plan all along - to run the economy so badly and to allow the banks and landowners (in collusion with homeowners) to inflate a credit and house bubble so incredible (far bigger than in the late 1980s) that in the end they have got an excuse for nationalising everything?

Re: Affordable housing (#4)

Allow? Are you suggesting any government would get away with artificiall quashing house prices? and hoe would that be done? by hyper-regulating mortgages?

The council house issue isn't a unlikely as you might imagine. A number of local authorities - notably Camden - bought up a lot of property to add to their housing stock during the 1970s property crash.

Re: Affordable housing (#5)

Well, I don't think this will happen.

We shouldn't worry about the initial drop as a large part of that isn't real, but a paper readjustment to unwind the pay-to-let discount scams (so a paper 90% mortgage was really 100+%). Many new flats were 10% to 15% overvalued at the Land Registry compared to what they really cost, and unwinding this is an apparent rather than real price drop. On top of that some market froth is evaporating. My guess is a 10% to 20% drop, then prices flat for many years.

I don't think a Tory govt would have foreseen the sub-prime crash any better than New Labour did - it would have rode the boom as well but without NMW and less social spending, so greater inequality. I think this is a problem largely imposed on us by veracious fee and commission hunters in New York, fed by overly low US interest rates so they play with easy borrowed money.

I do suspect the west has some painful readjustment to face over the next 30 years, as Asia has its century. Neo-liberal capitalism moves quickly and efficiently with innovation in a time of rapid growth, and if everything is growing unfairness is not paramount or that painful. But in a period of very low-growth innovation is less important and fairness a bigger issue - which should feed into leftward movement of the Labour party.

I think we are moving back to a phase of Keynesian economics and tighter regulation. Looks like the neo-liberal party is over. If this is indeed the correct analysis I do hope Brown is capable of seeing it.

NB Just heard the IMF Chief Economist on yesterday's C4 News: 25% chance of global recession, US in mild recession - recovery not expected for 2 years, but emerging states keeping global economy spinning, largest spending shock since the 30s, we need to use public spending in creative ways. 5% chance of a major international bank failing, with huge fallout.

Re: Affordable housing (#3)

If the house price
decreases, it's very useful for the middle class 
those who are not having a single house.

Re: Affordable housing (#6)

OK, how about this:

Use capital on reciepts of council houses being bought, (and perhaps on property developers and second homes being bought? NB discuss practicalities of this idea), to build on the 300,000 plots which host 700,000 unused buildings. Could this lower house prices, while increasing ownership?