Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken

For those who didn't catch the London Mayoral debate on Newsnight this evening, click here.

I'm obviously biased here, but I genuinely thought Ken won it.

Boris Johnson came across as arrogant and bumbling and his most embarrassing moment came when Paxman grilled him Michael-Howard-style when Johnson refused to give an answer to the true cost of his Routemaster bus plans.

Paddick was wooden and aloof and seems to have as much in common with ordinary LibDems as Norman Tebbit.

Ken provided an honest answer over who he would back between Johnson and Paddick (he said Paddick of course) where as the other two couldn't quite muster up the courage.

An honest, relaxed and humourous Ken comfortably beat Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee either side of him. (Good performance by Paxo too!)

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Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#1)

I cringed throughout the whole thing.  Saying that, the person I was watching it with (who doesn't live in London and is not political in the slightest) thought Ken was reassured, knew his facts and figures and was the most "Mayor like".  His other impressions were that Paddick is a total lightweight and Johnson should have tired to shut up instead of just blabbering on all the time.  I am hoping the London electorate will reach the same conclusions as my significant other and vote accordingly!

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#2)

I agree Ken acquitted himself magnificently... he knew his policies, news his stats and also showed that he genuinely cared about doing the best thing for London, rather than the polls.

I was disappointed in Brian Paddick.

I was scared by the bungling, incompetent yet still arrogant Boris Johnson who clearly had not got a clue nor genuinely gave a damn for the average person in the capital. Having him in charge would be a complete disaster.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#3)

I'll be glad when it's over talk about boring.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#9)

That's the spirit!

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#4)

It was one of the most cringing, boring debates i have ever witnessed.  Reminded me of some really bad school/university debates.  i think the format was awful, should be more interactive, maybe with an audience?  Having said that, Ken did come across as though he knows his facts and figures, and as someone who has a vision for london.  Boris was Boris.  Paddick was the most disappointing.  Obvious he is in the race to massage his own ego.  I lost alot of respect for him when he refused to give a second preference.  Whatever issues people have about Ken, he is a more progressive choice than Boris, and Paddick should have had the guts to admit that.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#5)

I was amused that ConservativeHome live-blogged Petraeus' statement to Congress yesterday, but not the Mayor debate. And no mention of the outcome of the debate today, just some criticism of Boris Johnson's support for an amnesty for illegal immigrants. They are moving-on!

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#8)

I'm not quite sure that's particularly fair.  This debate is one of many taking place, whereas Petraeus' report is a one-off, and of more significance I would. 

Btw, why doesn't Labourhome do live-blogs?  It's a great feature of Conhome, particularly with things like PMQs and the budget - how about it?

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#10)

Yes I thought that too!

I was waiting patiently after Newsnight finished for ConHome to write an update so I could get in a comment, but alas they decided not to blog about it! Who could blame them?

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#12)

NM, is it time for LabHome to liveblog?  It would be a great addition to the site.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#15)

Yes, I think it would be a good idea prbo. But would there be enough people on here at the time to make it worthwhile?

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#16)

That is the question.  That's what marks out the great sites from the good and average ones.  If it's any consolation, I'd be very happy to contribute in postings...

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#6)

It's a shame the debate was on a night when a large percentage of tv viewers would have been occupied with Liverpool-Arsenal. 

Paddick had a bit of a nightmare in my opinion. It was obvious he was new to this game; my estimation of him has lowered significantly. His choice to coin Ken and Boris as "a rock and a hard place" was, politically, a major error. It came over as dishonesty, denial and - to be perfectly honest - ignorant and petty. His knowledge on the major issues was sketchy and he really failed to put forward convincing cases for any of his views.

Ken made a few mistakes but generally articulated himself quite well. He was concise, direct and made it clear he knew what he stood for. He had the statistics available to him when needed and tried to stick to the topics offered. He did make a bit of a mess of the funding issue however.

Boris was his usual bumbling self.  Pompous, arrogant and dropped the ball time after time when pressed on details. The constant flirting between his political persona and his jester persona was evident. Repeated "I'll spend no more and no less" was hide-behind-the-sofa quantities of cringe and blunder, not to mention his commitment to making his children eat ground-up identity cards on their corn flakes.

Was I the only one who groaned when Johnson slipped in the "Kenneth or Ken?": clearly an attempt to coin him as old fashioned which back-fired with Ken's confident reply. Name games from a man called Boris is a clear tactical gaff, not to mention a irrelavant and slimy.

A good performance all-round for Livingstone last night, I just hope people were watching. 

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#7)

I was wondering how biased I'd be but to be honest I thought Ken was head and shoulders above the other two.

Although I freely admit to being biased against 'Boris', I still thought pretty much everything he said was waffling nonsense, there was one point where he was asked a question and just ignored it and said 'I want to focus on this...' and ranted on about something else.

Ken was far more confident with the facts and successfully fought off several attacks by both Paddick and Johnson.

The only time he messed up was saying 'I don't want to know who funds my campaign', which was technically fine once he explained himself saying that he gets his funds from the central labout party, he doesn't want to know who it is because of potential conflicts of interest, but his initial comment may be what sticks, or is used against him.

I find it hard to believe any neutral will have watched that and felt that Ken didn't win it. He even made himself look good just by being the only one to admit who his second pref. would be if he had to vote out of the two of them.

Plus Johnson got a good hammering off Paxman, I have to admit I get frustrated when it happens to a Labour minister but I was quite happy to see Johnson treated with such disdain.

Hopefully the momentum is beginning to go with Ken now, the more public debates he gets into with Johnson the better, I'm feeling/hoping that the more people see of him the more they realise how pathetic he is.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#11)

I've seen Ken and Johnson speak before (the former in person a few times) but never Paddick. What a shifty looking chancer; he and the LibDumbs deserve each other.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#13)

Is it me, or do I detect a change in the mood in London?  The Evening Standard story, (today, 10 Apr)coming hard on the heels of yesterday's poll showing Ken back in the lead, 'Boris booed at hustings' is surprising given the paper's general hostility to Ken.

And the mood among the Party members seems to be quite positive too, with a lot of 'on-the-ground' activity going on.

Ken seems to have worked out how to deal with Boris at these hustings events, by being articulate, sticking to the facts and figures, and not appearing to be complacent.  The more Boris blusters and rants, the better it is for Ken.  Perhaps the Tories should reconsider letting Boris loose in public!

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#14)

The story about the headline was about how Boris bravely won the crowd over, however in terms of canvassing I have done (both on the doorstep and general conversations) have been much more positive over the last week or so, or at least negative against Boris.

He needs to be on television debating Boris as much as humanly possible though.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#17)

I've wondered myself if the tide is beginning to turn a bit in ken's favour - as people have actually looked at Boris, his policies, and questioned why he is running for mayor, I think more and more people will realise they'd be better off sticking with Ken.

Whether it will be enough I don't know but I feel that, nationally (media-wise) at least, Ken is making the running and is certainly more impressive at the hustings.

It's sad though isn't it, that the man who leads in the ratings and is so heavily backed by the Evening Standard, is a man who, when voters actually see him speak in a debate with Ken, loses voters, not gains them. Yet he's still favourite to win.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#18)

I think anyone claiming victory from Newsnight is living in a dream world.  It was an incredibly boring debate that told us nothing about the three candidates.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#19)

Did anyone see the Andrew Gilligan article in the Evil Standard yesterday, it was hilarious in trying to claim that Boris had really won the debate but it may not have appeared that way to casual observers.

Ken looked better in the debate, you may think discussion of the future of our city is boring, if that is the case perhaps politics just isn't for you!

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#21)

Once you start to process the meat of the Standard it becomes clear that the body text completely fails to live up to the promise of the eye-catching titles and headlines. Their discourse and their conclusion differ starkly.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#20)

The debate told me nothing new; yet confirmed what I already knew.

But, cadence aside, you're quite wrong.

Many viewers will have learned a great deal about who they are choosing between, and why.

The Liberal candidate was completely debunked. 

Like him or dislike him, Ken is a political heavyweight and that is exactly what people saw. They saw a credible candidate that has clear views for progress and a strong grasp of what matters most. Polls will prove this.

 In Boris all people saw was a confused comedian trying to sell something he's not; a man who couldn't even win the election for Edinburgh Uni Rector. We all saw the reason why "Team Boris" has been trying to limit his public appearances to the absolute minimum in the run-up to the vote.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#25)

I watched it last night in the Internet and completely agree with NM - fully aware of my bias - Ken was more convincing which has to be the most important measure of a debate.

Boris is likeable and an admirable communicator and the idea that there can be fresh thinking to the office is a laudable one - but one can clearly see the dark hand of Lynton Crosby over Boris' mouth urging him to shut up where possible.

His campaign is up to its knees in old electioneering tactics such as focussing on crime when it is actually falling. The murder rate has gone down but putting the frighteners on people by exploiting the 27 teenage murders last year is understandable but cheap.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#24)

Yeh right! Even most of your fellow Tories have the decency to admit Ken won it.

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#22)

My local paper has given Ken a great write up.  In the Muswell Hill Journal, the article starts as follows:

<h1>Muswell Hill welcomes Ken</h1> <h5 class="linenew"> nlnews@archant.co.uk
10 April 2008 </h5> <h5>MAYOR of London Ken Livingstone received a rapturous welcome while out on the re-election trail in Muswell Hill on Thursday.

Virtually every passer-by and shopkeeper approached by the Labour candidate had not a single bad word to say about him or his policies.

Even Mr Livingstone could barely believe it as he strode along the Broadway in the sunshine with Joanne McCartney - also seeking re-election to City Hall as Labour member for Enfield & Haringey - as he was overheard telling her: "This is the most positive response from people. It's amazing."</h5><h5> The staff in Sanrizz hair salon all agreed with his claim to have improved bus services in the area in eight years in office, and another woman told Mr Livingstone: "I can't believe people are even thinking of voting for Boris Johnson because you are doing such a great job."

The Mayor scored points with another woman whose son cycles to work by telling her all of the proposed £25 Congestion Charge income would go to improve cycle routes, and he was also quick with the quips.

He told one pair of pensioners they could "stay out clubbing all night and come back in at seven in the morning" with his proposed extension of their bus Freedom Pass to 24 hours, which raised a laugh.</h5><h5> </h5>

Re: Newsnight Debate: Clear Victory for Ken (#23)

Lovely stuff!