Made in China: How Beijing exports racism and colonialism

A certain nauseous feeling always arises, when in my sister's car. It is always when we enter Total petrol station. It is not the scent of the petroleum that gives me a sickly feeling. It is in fact, the notion, that the Prime Minister of Burma is under house arrest, as her citizens cannot afford the fuel and food costs of the illegal government under the nom de jeure of Myanmer. A government that spends more on military processions than the welfare of Burmese people. A vile regime based on supernatural jingoism, enfused with pseudo-communism.

Total funds the military junta to guard its pipelines, and is guilty of propping up a regime that sponsers and commits rape, murder, genocide, and forced labour.

Myanmer is a vile country and Yangon is a vile city, but Burma and Rangoon are not. I am glad to see many still call the country and their capital by their official names. The world saw the outrages in the country, 7 months ago, as protesters were slaughtered by the government, in this case literally, as they were slaughtered by the military, and the military is the government. The despotism is summed up by a national joke in Burma: that George Orwell wrote a trilogy about the country- Burmese Days, Animal Farm, and 1984.

The relevance to the title of my post is this. No matter what totalitarian country we encounter, or of the actions we see on our televisions, these regimes seem to have a universal trait: they are propped up by Beijing.

If there was any other reason to hate a vulgar fraud like the member for Bethnal Green and Bow any more, well, I thought I could not find another one. The creationist side of Galloway does not even compare to his moronic, repugnant masochistic adulation of the sadist-in-chief of Iraq. We all know the particular quote which shows that he wasn't praising the Iraqi people, but instead Saddam, while also spending Christmas with Tariq Aziz, and going nightclubbing with the rapist dauphains of the regime, Uday and Qusay. It isn't just that he defends an organisation like Hezbollah, who have exploited ethno-religious hatred in Lebanon, based on hierarchial structures that only reap more money from the fascist theocracy in Tehran. It's not just that he defends the right of Syria to fan the hatred in Lebanon, but instead blames it on Zionism, his criticisms having a great deal of anti-Semitic innuendos (yes anti-Zionism is different, but he plays on anti-Semitic jibes like the Jewish media conspiracy, or that Zionism was for Jewish interests in the Arab world). It isn't just that he thinks Bush and Blair have commited crimes of humanity against Iraq, while not really extending that criticism to Saddam. It isn't just that he doesn't believe in democracy for poorer countries (namely Pakistan). It isn't just that he believes that those who support gay rights in Iran want an invasion of the country, and affirms the innuendos that gay people executed are actually 'paedophiles'. It isn't just his defence of Castro, or of the Soviets as an 'anti-imperialist' power, and calling the collapse of that country  as the 'greatest catastrophe' of his life. It isn't just that he alligned Leninism with clerical fanaticism for an election to parliament. Or calling suicide murders in Iraq, part of a 'resistance movement'.

Now he has defended the Chinese regime. He says that Tibet was 'always part of the Chinese motherland'. He asserts that China is being criticised for 'NOT interfering in another country's affairs'. Amnesty International and other human rights organisations have maintained that China is certainly aiding the genocidal government of Sudan. If ever there was an example of a 'blood-for-oil' then this would be it. They buy most of the weapons and oil of the Sudanese, through the diplomatic immunity of the Chinese veto at the United Nations. The letter 2 months ago, signed by many international intellectuals, and campaigners for peace, like the exemplary Jody Williams, condemned their involvement. Did we realise that we would see in the next 2 months, more examples of Chinese colonialism?

Robert Mugabe is a vile racist, He is guilty of genocidal acts against certain tribes in the '80's. He is a Machiavellian fraud. Some from the Anti-Apartheid movement have defended him. He says he is fighting British imperialism, while the other hand accepts involvement in his country from imperialist China, always ready to help out Marxist-Leninists and democracy haters. Kim Jong-Il, is not the head of state of North Korea. His long dead father is. The corpse leads a state worse than Oceania. The only way to top it would be with the economic conditions of Zimbabwe. We have no way of telling the extent of the human rights abuses there. We do know there are mass concentration camps, and the citizens (now 5-6 inches shorter than their southern compatriots as a manifestation of severe malnutrition) are workers of a slave state. They live in abject famine. The chairman of North Korea, has control over nuclear weapons. Who backs them? Beijing. China has effective control of these foreign powers and others. But the fun never stops for this regime:

Maoist chauvinism sells Silkworm missiles to Iran. They supported. It is likely that they purport Milosevic as a 'defender of national sovereignty', is because they are worried of support for 'races' they consider inferior to the Han. It is also likely that any concerns for Iraq, were about the oil fields that the CNPC controlled. Oil is just as big a concern on the side of those who oppose military intervention, as to those who may support it.

With regards to my point about Milosevic, the combination of racism and colonialism, is an ideology prevalent in China aka Maoist chauvinism. China has sent many Han people into Tibet, which has severely undermined the sovereignty of Tibet, and the Tibetan people, as the Tibetans hold no power in comparison to a select Han elite, even with in their own country. I am not one of those who can transfer my dislike of piety, to a praise of a Buhddist alternative, as I am quite critical of the Dalai Lama. But, it is the Chinese imperial hold over this country which is more disgusting. They hold the true Communist doublethink position of regarding Tibetans, and the largely Sunni Muslim Uighar people as Chinese, while also regarding them as part of an inferior race. The official borders of their empire, take in Macao and Hong Kong (two states deserving not to be considered the sovereign power of other countries), and Taiwan.

They can exploit the capitalism of Hong Kong and Macao, while suppressing the trading rights of Taiwan. They take the worst elements of Marxist-Leninism and the worst elements of capitalism. They can endorse systematic genocide and economic collapse in other countries. They deal with British businessman, while aiding a dictator who blames many of his problems on British business and 'imperialism'. China effectively controls many countries across the globe, not caring who it hurts, often sadistically, as they can praise the aspects of leaders who supress their own citizens in a racist, and colonialist manner. This is because they have a noted history of undertaking such actions themselves. 

They can perfectly happily form an alliance with India, to evade the Kyoto treaty, to further economic interests, and to gain a further standing on the world stage. But when a nuclear war breaks out in the sobcontinant, they will probably side with Pakistan, as their border disputes with India, will manifest into a fear that India's power could overtake their power. They centralise a lassez-faire deregulation of a regulated economy. Contradictions don't even begin to describe it.

I'll part with this thought. When a mass Boycott Burma movement was considered in the form of the Anti-Apartheid boycotts of South Africa, a valid concern was raised. The countries who Beijing have colonised, are now effectivel paying tythes to them. So when you see a product that says 'Made in China', it could actually mean 'Made in Burma'.



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Re: Made in China: (#1)

I agree on the Galloway stuff.

But I think this shows a lack of real understanding of what is actually happening in China and what you wrongly deem to be the countries it is 'propping up'.

I find it absurd that we live in a country that in the last 7 years has invaded 2 countries, one of which was illegal, and been part of the murder of thousands of civilians yet we as host of the 2012 Olympics feel able to be angry at the 2008 host China's 'occupation' of Tibet, which by any account took place more than 50 years ago, and their suppression of what were effectively anti ethnic-Chinese riots.

As for Burma, dont look to China as the real supporter there. There is a much more wealthy and astute player at work there which is literally propping them up.

China  could do much more in Darfur was the criticism from that esteemed and long serving expert in inernational affairs Stephen Spielberg.... well what are we doing? Where are the helicopters they need from us or the US?

I am not defending China, but please avoid the trap of falling back into a Cold War mentality, something which the neo-cons are trying to reengineer. Missile defence shield on the one hand, 'demon China' on the other.

First remove the plank from your own eye, thats my message.

Re: Made in China: (#2)

Somehow I cant edit the above, but what I wanted to say was that you are so angry at China for getting its oil source from Sudan, yet we ourselves have gone to war, invaded and occupy ostensibly over oil.

Re: Made in China: (#4)

Actually it reaps oil from other places as well. The vast majority of them totalitarian. Did we intervene on behalf of theocratic fascism? I don't think so. Personally, I can see many advantages in trying to end a Saudi oil monopoly. But my anger is this. The anti-interventionists complained it was all about oil. But did they ever stop to think that the anti-war countries had motives about oil?Perish the thought that they weren't choosing pacifism over belligerence. But might Russia have been concerned about their state capitalist Eastern European oligarchy, used to stop countries from becoming full-fledged democracies? Might 'Autochancellor' Schroeder, now employed by the Russian oligarchy, aka Gazprom, have been concerned? Might Saudi Arabia have worried? Why didn't Iran ostensibly support a neighbouring state becoming a Shia majority-republic? Was it anti-American hatred, or about their oil supplies? Might Chirac and China have worried about their oil intersts in Iraq?

Re: Made in China: (#7)

China 'reaps' oil from totalitarian regimes.  Yes it does.  So do we.  Our key ally and oil merchant is a country where there are public beheadings, and you get your hand chopped off for shoplifting.  But 'theocratic fascism' (as you call it) is fine if they'll do business.

Re: Made in China: (#10)

Yes, and our collusion with that state is disgusting. Again, I am extremely critical of Saudi Arabia. I also am disgusted with the actions of the Attorney General, suppressing an inquiry into the BAE scandal.

Re: Made in China: (#3)

I don't think I am wrong in saying it is propping certain governments up, by using the diplomatic shield of a UN Security Council veto.

There is a problem with an argument with which many like yourself, on the liberal-left use. It is the idea of 'moral equivalence'. Par exemple:

'China is not a democracy'
'Well what about Florida in 2000?'

There are many things to be critical of, of countries like the United States and the United Kingdom, which I often criticise, but not as a defence reflex when countries like China are criticised, and I still believe that the UK and US are two of the greatest countries.

The fact is, invasion of Iraq, is not the same as the suppression of democracy across the world, and a continuing expansion of the borders of your country. There are four conditions under which a country can be told their national sovereignty is over. 1) Is repeated agression against neighbouring states. 2) Is fooling around with the Non-Proliferation treaty. 3) Commiting Genocide. 4) Harbouring terrorists. I was against the war, because Blair did not actively convey his case properly. He told lies, when there were perfectly legitemate reasons to intervene, playing on the politics of fear.

Again, the invasion, as critical as one can be about it, is not the moral equivalent of China's actions, and I again feel that there is a growing post-colonial guilt reflex, whereby criticism of countries or ideologies etc. etc. that are not populated by mainly western white people, always with a response criticising the United States.


'Murder' of thousands of civilians? Provide your evidence for this. If you mean to say that sadists hell-bent on religious warfare have exploited a pivotal moment in Iraq's history, and that THEY have killed hundreds of thousands of people, then you are right. But if you are going to accuse the UK government of the 'murder' of people, then please provide some evidence.


Your account would indicate that China's occupation of Tibet started and ended 50 years ago. The anger is about the fact that it has continued to this day, to the extent where the government sends Han citizens to Tibet, to undermine their sovereignty. I don't find it absurd that people can protest the racism of a government that considers the Han people superior. The Tibetan protests were a reaction against how this racism is being employed. If the Tibetan minority, in their own country, were slaughtering the Han people in pogroms, I could understand your claims.

But I think there is a certain absurdity to your claims, and as someone who's blog name is of that of someone who fought racism, I'm sure you can understand the anger of a people, who are being illiegally colonised, and subjugated, by a Han elite.

France? Russia? India? I would like to know. But most evidence points to China being the major player in Burma, however much the three listed countries prop them up. It's not just the Chinese corporations such as the oil oligarchies, or the logging businesses, which have the knowledge and support of both central governments. It is also that China has much in common with a nation that enfuses racial hatred with contempt for democracy.


Whether it be the Karen people of Burma, or the Tibetan and Uighar people of China, there is a systematic subjugation of these people by their central governments. The blocking of a ban on an arms embargo is supported by China. (Intersting to note that China had no problem with keeping an arms embargo on a Bosnian government that was defending itself against a man who China praised for 'defending national sovereignty'. They shared the same contempt for ethnic groups as Milosevic, while like Milosevic, regarded these ethnic groups as 'Chinese', as Milosevic regarded any minorities as part of a Serb nationality: employing  doublethink was a common trait for both.)


Ah but you see, many would complain that the United States or United Kingdom were acting 'unilaterally', once China had vetoed a resolution calling for military intervention in Darfur.


I am not falling into Cold War mentality. These are legitemate criticisms. I do not see why it is 'neo-conservative' to criticsise the chauvinist imperialism of a country. I criticise the actions of many governments, including my own, and of the United States. I am anti-totalitarian, not anti-Communist, and on another thread, I vehemently criticised the Cold War policy of both the Soviets and the United States. But this is not the Cold War. I don't consider myself as falling into the trap of dichotomies of 'us vs. them', 'Capitalism vs. Communism'.

But I believe that there is a battle between liberal, secular democracy, and totalitarianism, whether it be theocratic fascism, tribalism, or ideologies based on ethnic hatred.



Re: Made in China: (#5)

But you do now, in an attempt to avoid what you call moral equivalency, overlook the most surprising things.  'Messing about with the non-proliferation treaty' - I agree with you about that; but what is NMD?  What is renewing Trident?  What's the new generation of battlefield nukes?  All of them are messing about with the NMD.  That doesn't make it right for others to do it, but it does prove a moral dilemma, and certainly undermines the case for intervention to enforce it.

You always look for racial or religious motivations for political actions.  I realise I can be accused of always looking for economic ones.  Both motivations exist, but I do think you overplay the former, and I don't think it helps your analysis.

The truth is that a blind eye has been turned to the Burmese government by pretty much all the capitalist countries, because the Burmese government has been prepared to do business.  Condemnations from certain governments have come very late, and only once they have found themselves on the 'losing side' of imperialist competition for a slice of the Burmese pie.  (This was my point about Indonesia on a previous thread - if you make it all about race, religion or tribe, you end up missing what's actually going on, and why).

Re: Made in China: (#8)

I agree that in a previous thread with you, I was concentrating too much on religious, rather than tribal motives with regard to certain conflicts. However, religion has played a key part in many conflicts post 1991, as has racism, and colonialism, often all three combine into tribalism. I don't think all political motives are based on racial or religious motives. I think it would defeat the purpose of me criticising the moral equivalency issue, as many people who are leaning towards a more PC-orientated ideology often do this. Seeing a religious or racial motive in everything would be entering the forum of identity politics, the worst kind of politics.

A non-sensical argument drifted around at the time of intervention in Iraq. 'Well if we have weapons, why can't Saddam?'. I believed all anti-war arguments of the time (I was only 10/11). I think we need to end proliferation, but not just yet. Cut Trident from 200 weapons and 20 submarines, to 10-20 weapons, and 1 or 2 submarines. I am not sure what to think about the missile shield, except that it could ratchet up the arms on both sides, when there is no need for it what so ever, as we are no longer living in daily fear that the Russians will launch a nuclear missile at us. However, the NNPF says that binding countries cannot use nuclear missiles, unless they have come under an attack from a nuclear state, with nuclear or 'conventional' weapons. Saddam showed that he could use it in conjunction with the two other conditions that can end a nation's sovereignty: Genocide and aggression against neighbouring states. but again, as I've argued, I was against the war. Moreover, this thread is not about Iraq, a point which I forgot on another thread with you.


I criticise all sides for not paying enough attention to Burma: I am not an envoy of the government. I can criticise all sides on this point (but the US shows good signs about this, though I am disappointed they are not piling on pressure to companies like Chevron). It was mainly because China is the key player, not only in that region, but in Burma as well, that I chose to criticise them chiefly. I am increbly indignant at the EU at such actions based on greed to exploit the nations natural gas supplies. Sanctions were once placed- on a bannana factory.


I do apologise, for when I have debate with you, I have given certain motives, which are less important than others, to explain conflicts in the world recently. I'll concede this, Washington said the war was about power, not oil. This can be seen as conspicuous, imperial motives. True there were perhaps some imperial motives, but it is more likely that neo-cons were scared of states that could use WMD post '9/11'. Saddam was shown as being capable of doing it before. Again, these are not good motives, and I should have been more critical of them. But I was merely turning the attention to the racial tribalism of Saddam, with the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. There is no reason to suspect that he was 'secular' either. The reason there is violence in Iraq, is not that Iraqi people are reacting against the invasion, but that religious fanatics, have seen a chance to create warfare in the quagmire of Messopotamia. I also maintain that the Balkan conflict was about similar reasons, namely Serb jingoists murdering Croats and Bosnians (or as the west called them, 'Muslims', despite the fact that Bosnia was far more accepting of it's cosmopolitan ethnic groupings), and later, as this escalated, was exploited by Catholic, and Orthodox extremists. The whole conflict was motivated by tribalism though.

So the two major conflicts in the post-Communist world, have been, in my opinion, about Tribalism. However, particuarly racial motives were key, and religious fanatics have exploited these conflicts. I'll admit something worrying here, I fell into a trap Mr. Bin Laden set me. He said the Bali nightclub bombings were revenge for the liberation of Catholic East Timor, by the anti-imperialist Australia, from the Islamic Indonesia. I think that conflict was about colonialism (on Indonesia's part). Moreover, we let him, because of being stuck in an 'Anti-Communism vs. Communism' mindset. We saw him as a strategic ally in the region. I have explained that I was critical of Cold-war foreign policy. Again, our intervention in say, Sierra Leone, was about stopping tribalism. So perhaps I change 'racial' and 'religious' to 'tribal', while I still maintain, that the latter, is heavily influenced by the former motives, and indeed the conflicts are exploted by another of these former motives.

Re: Made in China: (#13)

The point is that I think you are falling into another trap (I apologise for all this trap-falling accusation!) - one of recreating a new Cold-War mindset.  You state it fairly openly: that we are engaged in a war between liberal democracy and various forms of totalitarianism.  In essence, that's the Cold War restated (the enemy has just been recalculated and expanded to fit 2008) and it is used to hide all sorts of evils and wrongs and to disguise genuine motivations.  By all sides, actually, because - of course - the Wahabi-style fundamentalists say it's a war between believers and barbaric infidels, and are able to use that as a cover for all sorts of actions that would otherwise be considered unthinkable.

You've outlined yourself lots of areas where UK and US policy appears contrary to this 'great conflict' you posit, but you appear to conclude that these are aberrations and the motivation of the west (the liberal democrats) is still pure, while the motivation of the other side is evil.  Is it not more likely that - as they have for hundreds of years - people use a populist, appealing 'cover' for their base motivations and actions?  After all, that's exactly what you accuse Shroeder, Putin and Chirac of (perhaps justifiably).  Is it not just as likely to be the case with Bush and Blair?  After all the latter went through half a dozen or more populist appealing 'covers' before landing on one which a section of the 'liberal left' (if you'll excuse the term!) have latched on to. 

A variety of myths have had to be created over the years to justify imperialism.  They have included a myth of civilisation and salvation, a myth of jingoism and national glory, a myth of a Red Terror, a myth of a war of civilizations.  What we are talking about is, essentially, ideology.  But in the end I would ask you to look at those who put forward the arguments most vociferously, what their material interests are in the matter, and in what ways they might materially benefit from the policies they propose being followed. 

We are, today, a semi-peripheral country in the most powerful empire the world has ever known.  But it is a hugely insecure empire, one that sees challenges to its authority everywhere.  It therefore creates an ideology that equates its authority with decency, democracy, humanity and, yes, liberalism, and therefore any challenge to it is representative of the opposite of all those things.  And, despite the funding of death squads, the profiting from drug-trafficking, the funding of terrorism, the carpet-bombing of third world countries, the starting of wars, the use of internment and torture, of illegal coups, of marginalising the UN, of astonishing double-standards and hypocrisy, of re-arming in clear defiance of international treaties, of creating false pretexts for war, of political assassinations and assassination attempts, of cover-ups of dealings with some of the worst governments and organisations in the world... despite all of this, some people choose to believe this ideology.

Re: Made in China: (#15)

Every time I debate with you, I increasingly remember what Karl Popper once said: that in debate you can never completely change someones opinion, but the two antagonists beliefs will be altered to a degree. Ok, you have a point! But, I disdain all forms of totalitarianism. Where I don't fall into a Cold-war mindset, is that I don't believe in keeping silent about a country's actions, if they are of strategic value. Thus, I openly criticise the Wahabi sect in Saudi Arabia, as being the most dangerous fundamentalist regime, along with Iran, in the Middle East.

I think it is disgusting how both superpowers saw countries as pawns in their foreign affairs, note, I personally believe Kissenger should be sent to the Hague. So I hope not to fall into that mindset. Again, for all the pious purity spouted by Blair and Bush, I question, and criticise, many of the West's actions, and often doubt their sincerity. For me, the difference is that living in a liberal democracy, I, and others, can hope to change certain faults in this country, or in the US etc. But in the country I was chiefly criticising in my post, 1.6 billion people are denied this right. My point is not so much that Bush and Blair; the West etc. are fantastic , but my point is more that, as Marx once said, my favourite axiom: 'Everything must be doubted'. The actions of all sides must be doubted, and my point was more that there was a large amount of zeal, directed at Bush, Blair, 'Western Imperialism' etc., without also questioning the motives of those who were 'on their side'.

I don't think Bush is deeply schooled in Enlightenment philosophy (but I don't think he is as stupid as many say he is), and thus wants to spread liberal, secular democracy as an ideology, across this unhappy globe. I think some are more sincere, but I doubt their utopian, such as Paul Wolfowitz, yet I would still prefer this theory to Burkean isolationism. As I said, Washington said all along that they wanted power, but not oil. Again, of course I doubt the sincerity of Blair and Bush on this, and other, well most, issues. Yet I maintain that, there is a slightly unbalanced criticism of the West, for all its faults, in favour of other powers or ideologies.

Again, it is right to be critical of these things, but I still believe that the United States is one of the best countries, chiefly because you can change the worrying aspects of America, whether it be their healthcare, or doublethink enfused foreign policy, though your examples tend to focus more on the foreign policy circa. 1991, and past.

State sponsered terrorism against Cuba is wrong, but Castro's human rights record is no better. Eliminating the $50,000,000,000 in their budget dedicated to drug enforcement, would help their foreign policy in the poppy field of Afghanistan, and also in the coca fields of Columbia and Peru etc. Carpet bombing say, Vietnam, was repugnant. Carpet bombing is no longer a prevalant tactic, except Clinton, with his credulity, pounding the Balkans from the air, and for a long while, not hitting any military targets. There is a film about Chile coming out soon, something about the coup d'etat against Allende.

My point is that, you can focus on the more worrying aspects of American foreign policy, and although two wrongs don't make a right, my point is that, other countries more prevalantly:

. Start war

. Use internment and torture

. Start illiegal coups

. Marginalise the UN

. Re-arm in clear defiance on international treaties

. Create false pretexts for war

. Use assassins against political enemies

. Deal, and cover-up deals with the worst governments/organisations.


Is that what defines the ideology of believing western civilisation, and liberal, secular democracy to be superior?: I don't think so. The other countries, amny considered not to be totalitarian, are far worse. The US's mistakes can be corrected. Many countries start wars, and no false pretext was needed for intervening in the Messopotamian region, yet they chose to do it anyway. France is the most unilateral country in terms of foreign policy, and China and Russia far more frequently employ vetoes at the UN. Give me evidence for this re-arming. Again I have criticised Cold-war foreign policy, I find the illiegal coups, assassinations and deals with certain countries to be repugnant. My point is mainly, that no hypocrasy or double standards are needed for many countries, though I pointed out the hypocrasy of the Beijing regime in my post.

The United States and the United Kingdom, are certainly, absolutely not perfect. I can condemn them freely. I do do that. But I still believe that they are two of the best countries, and I don't believe your examples at the end, are the ethos of secular, liberal democracy.

Re: Made in China: (#16)

The faults of the US and the UK can, indeed, be corrected.  But only if we expose them and demand that they are corrected.  That is why many choose to focus on those faults: their very correctability.  (Not to mention the share in the blame that we bear for the faults of our own government).

Re: Made in China: (#17)

Well, the tactics you named, are almost defunct after 1991. And I do not accpet the notion that those examples (however true they might be), are as widespread as those commited by countries that face far less criticism than the United States, nor do I believe that they define the doctrine of secular, liberal democracy. We can spit on freedom, if we have always had freedom, but it is much better to hold countries like China to account.

Re: Made in China: (#6)

Also, could you define your terms?  What do you mean by the 'liberal left'?

Re: Made in China: (#9)

Well, on this part, I become more Nick Cohen-esque. If you see his definitions of 'liberals', namely white middle-class ones, you will see what I mean by the 'liberal-left', even, as I suspect you don't, if you don't agree with that definintion. I define myself, not as many do, as part of a 'neo-left', namely, when many call themselves 'liberal', which I think betrays all the noble causes of the left. I'd say I was leaning towards Democratic Socialism.

Re: Made in China: (#11)

At my most honest and self-analytical I'd probably describe myself as illiberal left!

Re: Made in China: (#12)

Sorry, I mean to say I DON'T define myself as part of the 'neo-left', which I think has betrayed the many noble causes of the left.


How do you mean Duncan?! 

Re: Made in China: (#14)

Well there are a number of areas where my instincts aren't liberal (I would have no objection to the proscription of the BNP, for example, and would only ever accept their 'right' to 'free speech' from a pragmatic perspective - let them expose themselves - rather than one of liberal principle).  I tend to view liberalism as an elaborate ideology designed to protect property rights (gosh, I do sound like an awful economic determinist when I'd debating with you!) and would see social justice, equality and - I suppose - civil and social rights as being more important and relevant than a semi-supernatural notion of the universalism of rights.  I think!

Chevron, Nippon Oil, India ... as well as Total (#18)

The gas projects are joint ventures involving more companies than Total. The Yadana gas field consortium has Total, Chevron - through its UNOCAL (Union Oil Company of California) subsidiary - and Thailand’s state-controlled PTT company. The Yetagun gas field consortium has Malaysia’s state-owned Petronas, Japan’s Nippon Oil and PTT. South Korean and Indian firms are developing the Shwe gas project. AFAICS Chinese companies only act as sub-contractors in these major gas developments (as do some US subsidiaries).

The Chevron case is interesting as it seems able to avoid US sanctions through a stange application of "grandfather exemption rules" that allow companies operating in Burma before sanctions to continue investing. It seems that in 2005, after the sanctions were in place, Chevron bought UNOCAL who were already operating there and now Chevron can continue the UNOCAL investment. Total started operating in Burma in 1992 before sanctions, so on the US interpretation of sanctions, Total should be allowed to continue operations as well.

Human Rights Watch say "Current investors in Burma’s oil and gas industry include companies from Australia, the British Virgin Islands, China, France, India, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Russia, and the United States."  The shame of investing in Burma goes very much wider than China - it seems strange to just attack them. It has is hard to see how China will listen to these complaints from the west, while the west and the rest of asia does not stop its own investments. We need some international agreement here.

Re: Chevron, Nippon Oil, India etc. (#19)

I'm not attacking just China, but I believe that in terms of foreign investment, and military funding, China plays the biggest role, and i would criticise them the most.

An excellent post though.

Re: Chevron, Nippon Oil, India etc. (#20)

> [in] military funding, China plays the biggest role, and i would criticise them the most.

According to Human Rights Watch "India, like China and Russia ... has provided political and military support to the SPDC." Also "India’s Office of the President holds nearly 75% of the shares in Oil and Natural Gas Co.", which is a partner in the Shwe gas field development. Don't you think we should be even handed in criticism if we hope to influence other countries? We probably have more leverage on India, as a commonwealth country, so aren't we likely to have more success there?

AFAICS China's main interest is laying pipelines and buying the gas, which also seems the main interest of the other Asian states involved. Can you provide a link to a source on China's military support?

Re: Chevron, Nippon Oil, India etc. (#21)

www.scribd.com/doc/336813/ChinaBurma-Relations
Section 3, sub-sections 1 and 2

Re: Chevron, Nippon Oil, India etc. (#22)

> www.scribd.com/doc/336813/ChinaBurma-Relations

That seems rather historical, refering to 1990 and 1994 arms deals, followed by a reduction of trade in 1998 and the building of a domestic arms industry and reduced dependence on China.

A 2007 Amnesty International report says "A number of states, including China, India and some of the ASEAN nations, continue to supply military and security equipment to the Burmese authorities".

Doesn't seem like an entirely Chinese problem now. 

Re: Made in China (#23)

As it's topical, I have an article in Tribune this week on the West's approach to China. See: http://e8voice.blogspot.com/2008/04/china-support-heroes-like-hu-jia.html

It may be of interest to contributors to this blog.

My argument is that our approach should not be governed by either economic realism or an approach that isolates China. Rather it is better to engage but be more robust in our criticisms of China's human rights record both at home and abroad and use the significant leverage that we have to induce change.

China is a huge issue for us in a geo-political and ideological sense and we need to address that issue sooner rather than later. It is a mistake to be blinded by China's economic growth.  

Re: Made in China (#24)

An extremely good article.

Re: Made in China (#25)

Or put more bluntly, the world, now has the power, to put pressure on the Chinese. The corrupt Chirac and Schroeder are gone, and Merkel and Sarkozy, are ready to step up and criticise China. Brown needs to as well.

Re: Made in China: (#26)

The Chinese regime should be a nightmare for the left.
China detains leaders of trade unions, and ship them off to labour camps. It has a lassez-faire, yet centralised economic system. But I sense a form of Burkean isolationism across the left at the moment.

Re: Made in China: (#27)

to add: in this economic system, the rights of workers are nil.

Paul Mason's Chinese trade union report (#28)

I guess you didn't see Paul Mason's fascinating Newsnight report on Chinese trade union issues a few weeks ago.

Big changes are afoot. They have 8.7% inflation, and more opportunities away from the coastal migrant worker factories. 10% of migrant workers didn't bother going back to their former factories after the New Year break. There are strikes, which workers are winning. A contract labour law with minimum wage has been passed. 10,000 low-wage factories are shutting down, and the main (state) Trade Unions are trying to get migrant workers as members and fight for them.

Basically it seems China is going thru a trade union struggle against private employers phase; eg a strike at Wal-Mart to get union recognition. The state seems to be slowly unleashing the unions, as they know there are genuine grievences to resolve, and the old subservient ways are past.

China just seems to be going thru changes as we did a century ago, and the state is not blocking those changes. I don't see China as a demonic evil emipre, we just need to encourage the changes that are afoot. After all, similar changes took longer in our industrialisation phases. We only got to OMOV general elections in 1949 (when university and business votes were abolished), 100+ years after our industrialisation started.