Can Labour win again?

Compass are delighted to announce our post-elections debate taking place on Tuesday 6 May from 6pm in the Boothroyd Room, Portcullis House, London.

Our high-profile speakers include:

- MP for Dagenham Jon Cruddas;
- Skills Minister and MP for Tottenham David Lammy;
- The Guardian's John Harris;
- The Independent's Steve Richards;
- London Assembly Member Jennette Arnold;
- The Guardian's Jackie Ashley (chair);

The debate will seek to offer the way forward after this May's crucial elections. For a place email info@compassonline.org.uk

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Re: Can Labour win again? (#1)

Mmm a big carton of soft left mush.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#2)

Londoners all.

Is this the London region site?

Re: Can Labour win again? (#3)

Yes we can win, but only with a Progressive Manifesto.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#4)

'Can Labour win again?'

Blimey, there's nothing like being optimistic. 

Re: Can Labour win again? (#5)

God that sounds dull!!  Also, we're obviously all hoping to do okay in May...

I remember all the essay questions in my first year at uni: 'must Labour lose?'  Well, no.  We won the next election.  So I guess the answer is: yes we can win again.  But I wonder how much pointless hot air will be exhaled by that riveting array of speakers before that conclusion is reached?

Re: Can Labour win again? (#6)

I think Compass should invite John McDonnell or someone else from the Socialist Campaign Group for some breadth of debate.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#7)

Why?  Just to hear the likes of Susan Press depressing us even further?  The debate, to me, is about talking positively and PRACTICALLY from a centre left (not Blairite) perspective about what we need to do, not spending the entire thing wallowing in and shouting "betrayal!" like the SCG do.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#8)

Then you deserve to be as bored as you'll undoubtedly be (if you go)

Re: Can Labour win again? (#9)

I think that unless we're prepared to maturely discuss a wide range of ideas, then perhaps Labour won't win again.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#10)

Rather than talking about the actual debate, can we answer the question?

Brown, early on, was handling the crises very well. He could have reacted to some of them though, with better policies.

The smoking laws should have been liberalised: the idea of the smoking ban is quite good, but it could have been handled better: In Australia, every bar or club etc. has cigarette trays outside, and in Italy every restaurant, cafe etc. have canopes for smoking areas. Also the two wall rule was rediculous, if there was access to open space, as with bus stops and train stations, it should have been allowed. Also, bars which are primarily about smoking e.g. Shisha bars should have been exempt, as should tobbacconists, cigar bars etc.

Only one counter-terrorist measure is needed. Every major civil rights group supports allowing wire-tap evidence in court, because indefinite detention, will be less common, as if there is more evidence, than habeas corpus can be enforced.

The data loss row, needed a wise political move, but also the correct one. Scrap ID Cards.

Although he eventually made the right choice, Northern Rock should have ben nationalised sooner.

He should also follow on his organ donation proposal.

There are also issues which are no-brainers, which don't require debate. For instance, legalising same-sex marriage. Absolutely, that's a no brainer. Liberalising abortion laws for Northern Ireland. Absolutely, that's a no-brainer. His firm stance origanally on embryo research, he should have stuck with, because politicians should not be allowed to prevent choice for people, and choose their own religious subjectivity over an objective decision. There's never a suggestion from these people, that same-sex marriage won't be compulsory, or that they as the majority of people do, can choose to still have the baby if pregnant. There are other issues that require more debate, obviously the tax system requires debate.

Here are some more suggestions:

. Replace the NHS with a universal-insurance system, as is the system in the rest of Europe
. Introduce a Workplace Democracy act, mandatory for the public and private sector, to allow for elements of co-operatives.
. Introduce elected devolved assemblies for the 9 regioins of England, giving all assemblies (as well as NI and Wales) the same power as the Scottish parliament, while making sure that they are all part of a federalist system, whereby any decision by the main parliament overrides decisions by any assembly.
. Become secular, so no funds for faith schools, disestalishment of the CoE etc.
. Introduce constitution based on the US model. Any amendment would invalidate many laws (i.e. free speech would invalidate the Blasphemy act, freedom of assembly would invalidate SOCPA). Allow for amendments similar to US Bill of rights (btw, the gun thing, in my opinion, only allows for organised forces, such as the police, to carry guns), but include other amendments, such as a Balanced Budget amendment and an Equal Rights amendment.
. Upper chamber to be based on German system, each region representing the composition of the devolved assembly. AMS for devolved assemblies, AV+ for commons.
. Scrap alot of laws and regulations
. Legalise Cannabis, consider de-criminalising other drugs.
. Become a Republic
. Drastic prison reform ( e.g. by two of the above, well before the republican one, as scrapping needless Criminal Justice acts, and legalising drugs would help). The main one, however, as simple as this is, would be the most radical. Literacy classes for almost the half of prisoners who can't read.
. Support international reforms, such as combining the IMF and World Bank, expanding G8, and the permanant members of the UN
. Reduce our Trident programme by between 90-95%
. Re-engage with an 'ethical foreign policy'. Re-iterate the UK's demand (as we have more sympathetic European leaders) to scrap CAP and CFP, that would drastically help the environment. Support an independent Kurdistan. Get more involved in the Cyprus peace process, and the Israel-Palestine peace process, by trying to gain ground for supporting an independent Palestine as well as an Israeli state.
. Clamp down on the rich, at home and abroad. Persue the rich at home. 50% income tax rate for those earning over £100,000. Make private quity part of capital gains. Tax non-doms on worldwide income.

I would like to see people's suggestions on how to improve international social justice and climate change as well: i.e. what policies can help tackle these two major issues

Re: Can Labour win again? (#11)

I'd go along with 95% of what you propose jk apart from legalising drugs and the NHS bit; both are good suggestions, but need further consideration, certainly the latter.

Re: Can Labour win again? (#12)

the NHS proposal needs serious going over. Because our top-down system is much simpler, but less effective, than the insurance-government combined health spending in Europe.

My view is, that government and private versions can work with any system (though on issues like Education and Healthcare, I'd be more critical), but they must never combine, because they most of the time take the worst elements of capitalism and beaurocracy, (see Clinton's reform of the HMO's).

The PPP initiatives don't work. If they are purely capitalist, or purely funded, they can compete, and to a certain extent, I can live with that. But when they combine, the initiatives generally tend to collapse, and the public picks up the pieces, actually spending more money. This is also true of say, rail and water subsidies. People spend a fortune on tickets and bills, but still pay government subsidies. Government systems, are generally less beaurocratic. In America, Medicare administrative costs are 2%, private healthcare administrative costs are 25%. The Rail system, once privatised becave heavily regulated.

Oh, another policy:

.Re-nationalise the railways, break them down into regional companies
.Re-nationalise the water companies, break them down into privatised, yet with a large degree co-operative influence, regional companies

Re: Can Labour win again? (#13)

Sometimes when I see the blogs on here, I doubt it. People keep asking 'Can we win again?' over and over, without providing any solution of how to do so. Talk about policy, please. For our own sakes, people. Must we have long unlettered blogs about opinion polls, elections, factionism. All that connotes, and allows for is visceral orthodoxy. Discuss the blogs about policy for a change, and stop contributing to the posts which are about more politics than policy.