Reshuffle speculation

With uncertainty over Thursday's election results - which won't be clear until Friday afternoon - the Westminster bubble if abuzz with speculation of a reshuffle, possibly as soon as the weekend.

Pressure is particularly tight around Gordon Brown 's allies Alistair Darling and Des Browne, with John Hutton widely mooted to be the next Defence Secretary and Geoff Hoon replacing him at the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform.

However, despite rumbles on the backbenches, Hoon is thought to have his finger on the pulse of the Parliamentary Labour Party far better than many of his predecessors and it may be too risky to move him in these friable days.

Darling has been buffeted in the Treasury but he is a rare politician who would probably take a demotion to a lesser Cabinet portfolio with good grace rather than resigning in disgust. Brown's instinct will be to promote to the Chancellorship his protege Ed Balls, yet this could prove to be a mistake. David Miliband could be a better appointment, presenting Brown as inclusive and progressive and sending the message to the country that the economy is a greater priority than internal Labour politics.

David Miliband is also a for more effective public and parliamentary performer than Balls, whose charisma could do wonders for confidence in the City. Of course, if the economy does get more shaky over the coming year, then this appointment would serve to ensure Miliband is unable to distance himself in any future leadership election - which could ultimately be to Balls' benefit.

The domestic agenda is bound to dominate the period before the general election and so it will be important to have a Foreign Secretary who commands international respect and has both high intelligence and a sense of nuance and subtlety so that international distractions and pitfalls are avoided in the coming two years. While this is an argument for keeping Miliband where he is, there is a clear outstanding candidate for the role in Hilary Benn.

A left-field appointment would be Jon Cruddas straight into the position of Housing Minister (attending Cabinet). A refusal to accept the appointment would be hard for Cruddas considering the prominence with which he leads on the issue. It would also signal a shift from the "undeserving poor" agenda of Caroline Flint, which has been so unpopular with rank and file members. It would also put him in the position of unofficial whip for the left-wing factions of the PLP, giving him the lead responsibility for preventing highly damaging rebellions.

The other wild card is one of Gordon's oldest allies, Nick Brown - Surely it's time for Nick's return to cabinet?

What are your thoughts on the imminent reshuffle? Who do you think Gordon should shuffle, sack or appoint?


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Re: Reshuffle speculation (#1)

Surely a bit soon to be shifting Caroline Flint?!

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#9)

I hope they give Thatcher's Granddaughter the boot from housing.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#2)

Surely a bit soon to be shifting Caroline Flint?!

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#3)

Surely a bit soon to be shifting Caroline Flint?!

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#5)

Lastword - I take it you're keen on Flint keeping her portfolio for the time being?

I'm merely pointing out that Cruddas, while unappointable to the Cabinet, would probably be able to refuse any post outside the Cabinet other than Housing Minister - and that his appointment could help Gordon stave off future damaging rebellions

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#6)

Cheers Alex.  Don't know what happened there.  I'm a Cruddas supporter but I think he would be mad to go anywhere near Gordon's government.  Better for him, I think, to play the long game.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#7)

Cruddas was offered Housing Minister by Gordon following the Deputy Leadership election. He turned it down.

I don't see him taking the position now. It's not as if policy has shifted at all. In fact, Flint's position on denying housing to those who refuse to get off benefits makes it even less likely that Cruddas will be offered anything.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#8)

Seeign as Cruddas didn't turn up to vote on the last Defend Council Housing proposal he has no credibility whatsoever with the left over that issue.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#10)

Puuurlease.  Why don't you substitute what you just wrote for "Jon Cruddas didn't vote for John McDonnell so I'm going to stay in a strop with him and everyone else on the centre left for the next three hundred years!"

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#11)

You must have missed all the positive postings about Cruddas over the last year. Some of them from me. I voted for him and nominated him in my CLP for Deputy Leader.

He's badly embarrassed himself on housing since then though and the union bureaucrat reality is beginning to show through the frayed lefty clothing. Shame, as I did have hopes for him a year ago.

PS he didn't just refuse to nominate McDonnell, he accepted the nominations of McDonnell's supporters in an agreed vote swap then when it came to his part of the bargain he went AWOL. Never mind his politics, that's just the sign of someone who can't be trusted.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#23)

No he wasn't offered the housing portfolio, it's the one position, other than a cabinet position, he would have taken. He was offered the chair of one of the policy committees, but he turned that down.

I'm mystified about where you got your info. 

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#13)

It would be nice to think that he (and others in the PLP) might act in the interests of the party rather than themselves. If called to serve, they ought to accept.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#4)

If the results are as bad as the polls suggest then the only sensible course would be for Brown himself to be reshuffled. Quickly.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#12)

THis is who I'd put out to pasture - John Hutton, James Purnell, and Caroline Flint (maybe with Hazel Blears and Liam Byrne if we going for a full overhaul).

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#14)

That's interesting, I think Blears would be ideal in a portfolio where her frankness, enthusiasm and ability to communicate would be better valued - like health.

Byrne gives the impression of being rather brighter than the average politician. I don't think any parliamentary party is so flush with talented people that we can afford to lose people like Byrne just because we think they're a bit right wing.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#15)

I've no doubt that some of the above are intelligent and potentially competent performers and I'm not wirting them off for ever and a day - but they need to be shaken out of their knee-jerk rightwards drift.  Byrne for example has done precious little to combat racist arguments on immigration, and if anything, has entered into a silly bidding war with the Tories on who can be toughest on non-EU migrants many of whom are economically necessary (like Bangladeshi restaurant workers).

Oh, and I'd sack Geoff Hoon as well.  We need to have a fresh start and put forward a bold but pragmatic vision of a better Britain, not try to cramp the Tories for room on the centre-right.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#16)

You're proposing a lot of vacancies - who would you suggest should fill them?

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#18)

That's the problem - why I suggested a half-cull at first!  To be honest there's a lot of dead wood on the backbenches as well.  We could always make a few peers and parachute them in that way! 

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#17)

Blears need to stay where she is.  She's the only one who "gets" local government.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#19)

I would like to see Nick Brown back in the cabinet. He understands the labour movement and has good instincts.  As Minister for the North East he has trumpeted our region's manufacturing and science industries and can work well with employers as well as the big unions.  He has been an MP for 25 years and as good as Balls and the Milibands are, a few more 'grey beards' wouldn't go amiss. I think he would make a superb replacement for John Hutton and would be more amenable to greater protection for temporary and agency workers. 

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#20)

That's assuming that greater protection for temporary and agency workers is the line that Brown wants to take. On the evidence of the government's support or lack thereof when Andrew Miller's private members' bill came before the house, I would suggest it is not.

Anyone else get the feeling that it is just the same names going round and round? Can't we get any new blood? What about Dawn Butler? Or Sadiq Khan? I'd also suggest Kitty Ussher when she gets off maternity leave. 

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#21)

Dawn would be great - the higher profile migiht help her win her highly marginal seat too. 

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#22)

In all honesty I don't see what's to be gained from a reshuffle, might it not show strength from Brown if he has the guts not to reshuffle after a bad election night?

Is there any evidence that reshuffles ever help regain an initiative in the long term?

Moving Flint would be ridiculous I believe, she's barely been in the job and to move her would suggest that Brown might not really have any long term plans in mind, if he keeps chopping and changing.

Miliband hasn't been Foreign Sec nearly long enough to be moving him to another position, although when Brown took over I did hope to see Hillary Benn as Foreign Sec, he can wait until Miliband takes over! ;)

In all honesty the only one of those suggestions/rumours I thougtht looked quite plausible was Des Browne being moved on from Defense Sec. However Hoon seems to be doing a good job as Chief Whip so why move him?


I don't know anything about Nick Brown but I certainly think there needs to be more of an influence from 'greybeards' to help give the cabinet a bit of 'gravitas', so it might be good to get him in somewhere...

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#24)

The problem with shuffling anybody out if the results are really bad (which I'm hoping they won't be of course!) is that it would seem like Brown was blaming those who got demoted or sacked for the election result.  And I don't think Brown can afford to cause bad blood right now (most ministers have at least a handful of supporting backbenchers, presumably).

As such, I think it is more likely that Brown will reshuffle from a position of relative strength (i.e. if Ken wins reasonably comfortably and the Tories make no great breakthroughs in the north, etc.) than if we have a 'mare.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#25)

Des Browne has to go he has been a disaster at Defence and it was a serious misjudgement giving him 2 jobs. I understand Hutton has already been offered the job. 

Moving Darling in the middle of a downturn would be seen as desperate - and promoting Balls would lead to a riot in the cabinet: Cooper would also have to be moved, and although she was very poor recently you can't have musical chairs in the Treasury like this.  Moving Hoon with the Commons in rebellious mood would be death-wish stuff.  Hard to know who should take Hutton's job - Balls perhaps he's made a mess of Children.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#28)

I think whoever was Defense Sec in this time would be struggling but I think Hutton would have a bit more steel to him than Browne does.

I dunno if having two jobs has really made any difference except for attracting a lot of unwarranted criticism. The Tories suggested the exact same two jobs for one person beforehand anyway.

However, being moved to just Scottish Sec while Hutton came in as Defense Sec would allow Browne to hold a position without being too humiliated.

The problem is Hutton has done quite well as Business Sec from what I can tell. So who would replace him?

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#26)

I think Geoff Hoon has been a good purposeful Chief Whip so far and is very suited to the role.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#27)

Personally I quite like Balls, I think he's a nice bloke. I'd really like to see jobs/promtions for Ann Cryer, Emily Thornberry, Angela Eagle, Katy Clark, Jon Cruddas, Peter Kilfoyle and Karen Buck. A Labour cabinet with them in would be a proper Labour cabinet. But it's not going to happen, is it?

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#29)

I think there is a good case for a reshuffle, maybe not now but in the next few months. The key term for me would be ‘succession planning.’ Not wanting to sound hubristic but this could be a decade away, but for a whole variety or reasons could be sooner. In the next couple of years it would not be for good reasons and would be a ‘caretaker’ role for Jack or Harriet. In the two to ten year timeframe I would see the likely successor as one of John Denham, Jacqui Smith or Hilary Benn, so they should have a good run at the top three executive roles. I would say John at Treasury, Jacqui at Home and Hilary at FCO. The most frequently mentioned potential successors, David Milliband and Ed Balls, for me are just too like Cameron and Clegg, and the British people need to be given more of a choice at the next couple of general elections. They both still have a good twenty years of their career in front of them, and would benefit a lot from a broader experience of government, in part to compensate for their somewhat narrow experience of life. Both should have the time and space to develop their own distinctive perspective on the role of Westminster government. It’s not inconceivable that both will have the opportunity the decade after next to be prime minister. So I would say David to Schools and Ed to Environment, understanding both being critical to the long term. Alistair Darling would bring another heavyweight to DIUS. For a bit of star quality David Blunkett could return to Cabinet, maybe at DFID. Des Browne has done a tremendous job under enormous pressure at Defence, so could be given time off for good behaviour, John Hutton taking over would create an opening at Business maybe for Nick Brown, with Douglas Alexander getting indoctrinated in the ‘dark arts’ as deputy chief whip. Geoff Hoon, Alan Johnson and Hazel Blears all have a firm grip on difficult jobs and are probably best left where they are. Effective relationships matter, and Hilary, John and David on international issues, and David, Alan and Hazel on local services look like good teams.

Plus, this is completely off topic, and I suspect far too spurious a thought to start its own topic, but could the mortgage crunch be solved by joining the Euro? My recollection is the main barrier to joining was the incompatibility of British 25 year variable rate mortgages with EU 15 year fixed rate ones, so with so few new mortgages maybe soon would be the time to join?

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#30)

I think John Hutton in Defence would be a bad mistake as he is far too business friendly.

MOD's big problem is that there has been far far too much continued spending on Cold War type projects, like the Astute hunter-killer submarines, EuroFighter, Type 45 destroyer, Nimrod; and not enough of prosaic things like helicopters, vehicles, UAVs. Basically we need someone who can stand up to BAE and the defence company lobby, their internal-MOD lobby/future-employees, and cut its over-high-tech projects in favour of more immediately practical things.

The £6.5 billion for six Type 45 destroyers is the little talked about worst disaster, AFAICS over a billion a piece for this Cold War type warship when we need more smaller ships. Schedule seems to have slipped 11 months in about one year, with a forecast cost increase of £354 million. Someone needs to put a stop to utter nonsense like this, when the troops don't have enough helicopters and bomb-resistant vehicles.

We also need to face up to the BAE unions, who are worried about jobs, and try to redirect funding so as to create cheaper to the taxpayer, more useful, less over-tech jobs.

I doubt John Hutton is the person for this, though I don't know who might be.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#31)

Hmm no mention of cancelling aircraft carriers in the above but suggesting cancelling destroyers.

Aircraft carriers need destroyers to act as an anti-submarine and anti-missile defence.

They are incredibly vulnerable without them.. see Falklands war.


Ignorance is bliss.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#32)

You don't need a £1 billion ship as an anti-aircraft missile platform. Indeed you could even put an effective long-range system on the aircraft carrier nowadays, as the French do.

It looks like the cost of each of these Type 45 Destroyers will be over half that of the (estimated) cost of each of the enormous Future Carriers. Ridiculous.

Much anti-submarine work is done by helicopters, and possibly now/soon Autonomous underwater vehicles. And what are those Astute hunter-killer submarines for? And the hugely delayed and expensive Nimrod MRA4 is primarily an anti-submarine system. Who exactly is the present major submarine threat needing Cold War level capabilities? MOD still seems so slow in adjusting procurement to new realities, rather than equiping to fight the last previous battle.

We cannot afford everything, and the Type 45 seems one of the worst extravagences to me. Looks rather like the Navy think similar by cutting numbers from 12 to 6 (maybe 8). Priorities.

This is hard to justify when we can only send more Chinook helicopters (eight) in 2009 to Afghanistan. Priorities. Urgent needs first, not keeping BAE's order book full.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#33)

I reiterate: anyone who thinks you can ahve 2 aircraft carriesr without a small fleet of protecting surface ships is living in fantasy world...

see what the US do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_battle_group#The_U.S._Navy_carrier_strike_group


BTW I do not disagree with the premise the MOD are trying to do too much with too little money. I Agree. Des Brown has proved he is an incompetent and disgraceful Minister of Defence.. and he should resign ... but...

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#35)

There's nothing worse than bragging Tories.

But don't worry, we'll remember all this when we're on the up again and you're suffering from heavy council losses.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#36)

I don't think you'll live that long.
Labour really is a busted flush.
Bet this site goes very quiet now.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#37)

The same thing was said about the Tories in the mid-1990's.

All Empires rise and fall.

Re: Reshuffle speculation (#38)

Labour lost the elections because of gordon brown and his band of advisors. He is basically a good man with a huge amount of knowledge and other skills but he has surrounded himself with young turks who for reasons best known to them selves have given terrible advice.

witness the debacle of the election that never was and the 10p tax fiasco.

On top of that GB now looks ill and tired. He is even being offered sympathy by vince cable for gods sake!

Gordon, you have been brilliant for the party but there is a time to stay and a time to go. we dont need a reshuffle we need a genarational change - only one man for the job. Bring on Milliband asap !!