The invisible hand of Blair?

I was pondering this on my blog...Did blair engineer the 10p tax fiasco, knowing fine well that Brown would have to deal with it and would probably bugger it up?

A most delightfully wicked line of thought. Blair sat next to Brown when he signalled the change in tax. We all know that they didn’t get on….so I was left to wonder, Blair being the master politician…why did he not take issue with the 10p tax cut? He must have realised that some would lose out and that taxing the poor first is not labour and would damage the core vote. I can only conclude that Blair did not take issue because he knew that it was politically deadly and that Brown would have to deal with it; knowing full well that Brown’s instinct is to stay the course and certainly not back down against “blairite” backbenchers; unless, obviously, in the face of total defeat. There is however another explanation….that Blair had no control over Brown and that he couldn’t change it even if he wanted to without a hissy fit from his Chancellor.

Was it engineered? Is Blair that good? What really was the agreement between them? Judging from the last few days however, the last laugh is most certainly his.



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Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#1)

Is it likely that Blair alone, out of all Labour MPs, was the only one to realise the problems with removing the 10p band? And although Blair may be a "master politician", he's hardly known for being in command of actual facts. The last ten years showed him more likely to convince himself things were the way he wanted them to be, regardless of any facts that might get in the way.

The introduction and removal of the 10p band were done entirely for political effect and to wrong-foot the Tories. Like most of New Labour's actions, they were done for the appearance rather than out of principle. It's the same reason Brown went to Iraq during the last Tory conference. It's getting to the point where he soon won't be able to fool any of the people any of the time.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#2)

Martin Kettle wrote in the Guardian a few days ago that both Gordon Brown and Ed Balls told Tony Blair  - after he asked  - that only 25,000 would be effected by the removal of the 10p tax band.  It seems that either the numbers involved were calculated wrongly or Gordon and Ed lied.  I believe the latter as all my reading suggests that both men were extremely rude to Tony Blair and did their best to keep him out of so called treasury matters. 

I wrote to the Treasury last year as well as many MPs advising that I personally would be affected by the loss of the 10p rate (aged 60-64)  The replies were offensive and I was treated as if I was a moron.  This treatment continues as I listen to  the ghastly Yvette Cooper trying to justify the policy and being unable to clarify remedial action.   I therefore knew that once implemented there would be a public outcry which would be very damaging.  We now see how damaging with the latest YouGov poll and the likely consequences at next weeks local elections.   All down to the PM.  What a nightmare.

Tony Blair would have to rely on his Chancellor for accurate figures.  Kevin Maguire has been providing snippets from John Prescott's soon to be published book.  He says there was a deal between the two.  John Prescott apparently condemns Tony Blair for not discussing reshuffles with Gordon Brown!  If true I find it astonishing that in a democracy "deals" are done to hand over leadership of  a party and that a PM can be criticised for not discussing reshuffles.  It seems that both men can be accused of a total disregard for party membership never mind the PLP.

However, after so many years of plotting and planning to take over the leadership with the belief that one has the right to do so, what a mess he is making of it.  Regardless of his new PR team, I somehow find it difficult to believe that he can recover from this calamitous 12 months.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#4)

Yes I agree. Tony Blair is also to blame for the starving children in Africa, the failure to find a cure for cancer and is the sole reason why we don't have eternal youth and everlasting beauty.

When the four horsemen of the Apocolypse appear on the horizon, that will be Tony Blair's fault too.

What a nasty, evil wicked man he is. How dare he intimidate poor, gentle Mr. Brown and force him to raise taxes for the poor. Shame on him.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#5)

What on earth is this post for? It is the kind of silly court gossip that has no meaning outside of the overheated world of the media. Does "For the Union" have anything to say about policy? Who cares whether it was Blair or Brown, both of them in a conspiracy, either one of them, or neither of them, or simply an almighty cock-up?

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#6)

The point i was trying to get across was that....why did two labour leaders not take issue with regressive taxation of poorer earners? Its not labour, ergo...there must have been some funny business at work.

If Brown and Balls were really as mean as the rumours suggest....would it be beyond blair? Putting politics before party....

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#7)

No, I think you were just trying to get a cheap dig at Blair.

Brown had control of economic policy, he was the Chancellor at the time of the budget - he was at fault. From what I've read Brown and Balls actually lied to Blair about how many people would be affected by the 10p rate being scrapped.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#8)

Blair was one of the the best prime minister we have had, minus the iraq decision. I would have much prefered blair remain....

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#10)

No he wasn't, Gordon was/is the best prime minister Labour has ever had.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#11)

The joke got boring last time around.

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#12)

I assume you are referring to Gordon coz he is both a joke and boring - except he isn't funny any more

Re: The invisible hand of Blair? (#9)

i expect tony blair only got to hear about the 10p rate being scrapped on budget day like the rest of us. as gordon is constantly announcing something today that won't happen till next year and then reannouncing something as new today that actually happened last year, then bliar was probably as confused as the rest of us.