Attracting young people back to the party

I'm a few years away from being a young person myself, but I have seen several generations of parents shake their heads in despair at young people, saying they have no respect, no discipline, and no politics, but in my experience, that's far from true today.

The strength of feeling of young people against the Iraq war created an extremely political generation, perhaps more so now than at any time since the 60's. But it's certainly true that people are more interested in issue politics rather than party politics, which is a shame, because party politics gives you a real chance to change things, rather than simply protest about them.


In February 2003 up to 2 million people marched though London against the war. That's more than 4 times as many people as all the political parties put together.

If all those people had joined their local party, they could have de-selected every MP who voted in favour of the war, and brought about a complete change in Government policy within a couple of years.

As it was, they took one of the few courses of action guaranteed to have no effect whatsoever. They went on a march - and of course politically speaking, marching is only marginally less pointless than signing a petition.

So why haven't the political youth been joining the Labour party? You could argue that it's because it was the Labour government that  took us to war, but in reality young people haven't been flocking to any of the parties, so I think the cause is more fundamental than that.

I think the problem is that we're not actually talking or listening to young people at all.

Theoretically someone can vote at 18, but as there's an election every five years the first chance most people get to vote is at 20 or 21. At that age they many people are thinking of starting a family themselves, so it's no surprise that when politicians talk about children's issues, they actually mean parents issues.

In any case there are few votes to be won by addressing the concerns of the under-20's, so most politicians don't.

What I think would make a real difference is to drop the voting age to 16.

This would have a couple of immediate payoffs. It would show young people that we want them to help run things, not just to help do things. It would also force politicians to listen to young people and to talk to them, and not just at them.

I have heard arguments against dropping the voting age, typically that 16 year olds aren't interested or mature enough to make the decision on who to vote for. But bear in mind that it was a Labour government under Harold Wilson reduced the voting age to 18 in 1969. The same arguments were wheeled out. They weren't true then, and they're not true now.

There are already 8 countries who allow voting at 16, including the 5th largest country in the world, Brazil. Closer to home, both Jersey and the Isle of Man now allow 16 year olds to vote, having changed their laws in 2006.

That same year, the then Chancellor Gordon Brown said that he might be in favour of votes at sixteen, provided that we taught citizenship classes in schools. Well now that the classes are a reality, I think we have a real opportunity to introduce young people to voting while they're still at school, and set up good habits that will last a lifetime.



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Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#1)

I totally agree.  Labour needs to implement this before we're swept out of power and the Tories put it on the statue book.  In fact, implementing votes at 16 son would actually help Labour at the next general election as far as I'm concerned...

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#2)

I've been arguing for votes for 16 year olds a long time, but I don't think you should over-estimate the impact of such a change.


Nor do I think you should necessarily dismiss going on marches or signing petitions quite as forcibly as you do.  After all, even without the influx of hundreds of thousands of 16 year olds into the Labour Party, we decided (in our sovereign body, the conference) not to go to war in Iraq without a second UN resolution explicitly sanctioning force: it had no effect whatsoever.  Similarly, they may all have had the chance to vote, but as both the main parties took the same line on the issue the small impact on opinion polls that the addition of young people would have made would have been unlikely to change any politician's mind.


In other words - it is not enough to give people a vote, you've got to give them power, and that is much more frightening for those of us over a certain age!  While voting merely allows people to choose which set of managers they want at head office - and what colour rosettes they may prefer to wear - then people may (as many 18-25 year olds already do) say 'thanks but no thanks' to the gift of the vote.


Furthermore, unless the various methods of representative democracy can be shown to be responsive and vital, increasing numbers of people - young and old - may prefer direct action to more traditional forms of political participation.


I remember many students I taught going out to protest about the war, along with many other school children, students, etc.  The fact that their voice was not listened to did not lead them to think 'I must join the party that chose not to listen to me', nor 'I wish I had the vote so I could be as powerless to do anything about this as the older protesters', it pushed them into cynicism (at worst) or the arms of alternative political groupings (at best). 

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#3)

I'm a 17 yr old member of the labour party. Most of my peers show very little interest in politics, with many of my firends now being 18. I live in London, and an astonishing number of  my mates who are 18 say that they have no intention of voting in the Mayoral & GLA elections this May. Why? Because they say that they don't know enough about politics and/or can't be bothered to find stuff out themselves.

The big problem is that people simply don't know enough about politics. We need proper political education of the young.

We need to give the young a greater sense of ownership of the political system, instead of patronising us.  Most of my peers say that they think pliticians are all the same, that they are liars who will do and say anything apart from what they really believe. I would have to say that new Labou has done very little to disuade me of this!

Whenever i have spoken to MP's or ministers in an informal way i have been impressed with how engaging they are. So why can't they be so bould and brave when they are on the telly? why do we keep our bould policies quiet?

 To engage young people we need less middle aged male politicians. We need young, charismatic MP's who can talk to and properly engage with young people. The best i have seen at this is Ed Miliband.

Most young people want to get involved, they just don't feel they have the means to do so and feel that their involvment will do little. We need to show them that isn't the case. I will try to do this with my mates in my little corner of SE London, but we need something nationwide. The majority of my friends will vote, but we need to find a way to get those who won't engaged.

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#4)

Do MPs generally give talks to sixth-formers these days? I remember Tony Benn (a local Bristol MP) giving an inspiring half hour talk about politics (non-party-political) at a post-exam citizenship-type day, and being very impressed.

I suppose that is one small disadvantage of voting at 16; schools would have to be more careful about political talks from outsiders to avoid charges of bias. Though that may encourage political panel sessions at school.

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#5)

Some MP's.

Most MP's are enthauastic in theory, but not so hot on it in practice.

My school is in Bromley, and the local MP, a tory Bob Neill says he would like to come in but that is as far as it has got! The labour candidate says he will definatley come in and talk which should be good.

Generally people from pressure groups are better at coming in. I organised for the head of Republic to come in and talk about getting rid of the monarchy and that was very good.

I do run my school politics society and it is hard to get MP's in. a lot of MP's want to come in, its just a case of them finding the time. but i think this is something they should really make time for because of how important it is to engage with young people. Especially as they are without a political voice as they cannot vote. 

I have seen Miliband at varous labour things and have met him on other occasions. 

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#6)

It is a shame MPs don't get stuck into this a bit more. Having heard Tony Benn give a an excellent talk to sixth-formers in 1973, it was hard to take later "Tony Benn is evil incarnate" type media stories seriously! So there is a lot in it for MPs themselves!

My sixth-form politics day wasn't actually run by the school directly, it was an inter-school event, run I think by a city-centre Baptist church. I wonder if inter-school events is an approach that might work better? It certainly got numbers up to about 250, making it easier to attract big-names (though also breaking-up into discussion groups). Schools just (strongly) suggested we go post-exam, and being at an all-boys school inter-school events did have an extra attraction in those days! I'd guess the schools quite liked the idea of a neutral-sounding third-party organising it as well to avoid possible parental criticism - The Hansard Society has Elected Representatives in Schools publications, but I don't think that goes as far as organising meetings, which is perhaps somewhere they could usefully go.

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#7)

My schools is pupil run, which gives us a freer hand. But the problem is motivating people to help in organising stuff, thus far i have had to do all of it.

Think the idea about inter-school events is good. Would attract a higher caliber of speaker. May well raise that idea with people.

I agree, it is in MP's interests to come in and talk. Especially local MP's and parliamentary candidates. It gives them a chance to build a personal relationship with their future voters. Also, it give these future voters a sense of ownership of their representative as they see their representative listening and talking to them.

 

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#10)

What do people make of the idea of putting politics as a subject onto the national curriculum? As a subject it wouldn't necessarily teach along the lines of "The Labour Party think this and the Conservatives think that" (although some none-too-conceptual outline might be useful), but rather it would turn to look at what politics actually does and how it works. Schoolkids could be taught what their local council has been doing, how it is structured and so on, and they could be encouraged to get involved with local council campaigns. And yes, lower the voting age to 16, and give them a chance to get out and use their voice while they're still at school.

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#8)

Who in the blue hell is thinking of starting a family at 21?

Re: Attracting young people back to the party (#9)

My recollection is that the anti-war movement hooked in lots of young people with the lowest common denominator slogan of 'not in my name'. That's simply voicing a personal distaste and nothing to do with politics. The organisers made it sound radical and anti-establishment, practically a guarantee of support from teenagers. To find out whether they really are political, we have to ask:

What principles do you hold which led you to oppose this war?

What principles do you hold which would allow you to support a war?

What principles do you hold which would interfere with you not having a view at all?