Nottingham South selection

I was reading the blog post on the Nottingham South selection the other day - do the Nottingham South bloggers realise what a sad bunch they are? All their talk about the parliamentary section is who lives where. Within a year of being elected most women MPs with young families end up in London. That’s where theirs will be too. Makes for an easier career.

The surprising thing about the ‘selection’ post is the absence of politics. The comments reduce it to a beauty/ugly contest. No mention of the machinations either. Here’s how it looks from the outside. 

There are 3 serious candidates in the ring – Bull, Greenwood and Shawcroft. Bull is a local councillor, fiercely ambitious and more Blairite than Blair ever was, especially over the Iraq war. She has the charisma of porridge, but none of the warmth. She does though have lots of outside backing. This includes the Labour Council Leader, Jon Collins – who wants a ‘one of us’ candidate to do the Council’s bidding – and with hints of new community centres to woo Pakistani members into her camp. She also has the backing of neighbouring Labour MP John Heppell, whose office seem mainly interested in stuffing Shawcroft. 

Greenwood is the Unison candidate, with about 7 million union nominations all coming from a national agreement to carve up seats. Pity the unions barely have 2 delegates to rub together in the constituency party. She is a much smoother operator with ‘adaptable’ politics – ‘whatever matters to you matters to me’. She has pissed off the Bull camp by climbing into the selection months before it started. When others were out canvassing for the council elections, she was out canvassing for herself. You can’t fault her, though, for the amount of time she has spent in people’s livings rooms with offers of washing, ironing, child minding, free pruning… whatever it takes to get a vote, without mentioning politics. Labour Minister Gillian Merron MP has put in phone calls on her behalf. 

Shawcroft is the left candidate with more than half the members’ votes from the nominations stage. It’s the politics, rather than the address, that upset the other camps. (There have been no problems about her being secretary to the otherwise moribund CLP for the last 3 years). Described as ‘a continuation of Simpson, but without the jokes’, she isn’t helped by having had a humour bypass in early life. Simpson himself is backing her campaign, but may by now be a busted flush. Popularity witht eh voters may not be the same as popularity than a party that is more reactionary than in pretends. 

So, will the local party ever get round to talking about the shambles of PFI schemes, private providers in the NHS, Labour’s ongoing assault on liberties, more spending on war than on welfare, conscription of the unwell and the unemployed? Not likely. They will argue about addresses. It’s what they are good at.



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Re: Nottingham South selection (#1)

Sounds like a good reason to 'parachute' in another more likeable candidate. But I'm sure even those three you've mentioned have some good points.

Re: Nottingham South selection (#2)

Do you know any of the people you are commenting on NottsLabour?


You call us sad and lecture us about policy discussions and then proceed with the biggest character assasination seen on this site in relation to Nottingham South.


Total tabloid-style tosh about all 3 candidates involved.

Re: Nottingham South selection (#3)

Come on Nottslabour, don't sugar the pill, say what you really think.

It's somewhat disappointing that someone who claims to want the party to discuss the politics spent so much of the post on personal insults. Those of us supporting Christine have tried to discuss the politics, but some of us have felt the need to respond to unwarrented attacks on the supposed lack of localness of Christine, attacks which I hope and believe were not sanctioned by the candidates themselves.

Let me be perfectly clear - I'm supporting Christine because I agree with her politics far more than I agree with the politics of the other two candidates. I completely reject your personal attacks on each of the candidates. I would be quite happy to have a beer in a pub with all three of them. Actually, I have had a beer in the pub with all three of them. I find all three good, honest women persuing the perfectly honourable ambition of wanting to serve their party and country in parliament. Like Nottslabour, I want the debate to be about the war, privatisation of health, the need to defend civil liberties and other issues. I'm confident that on 13 March members will make their decision based on the politics. If they do that, then Christine Shawcroft will be the next Labour MP for Nottingham South.

Re: Nottingham South selection (#4)

I'm almost as interested in the anoracky details of parliamentary selections as Andrea is, but this is a very poor post from Nottslabour - stuffed with hearsay and innuendo, probably of questionable accuracy, which can only damage the party. I don't think that posts like this have any place on Labour Home and I'd urge Alex or whoever to take it down in the interests of fairness and decency.

Re: Nottingham South selection (#5)

I agree with radford man - we need to consentrate on the politics not gossip. we are only a few days before the selection meeting and its still too close to call. Katrina is in hock to her friends on the council - her website has not been been updated since she launched it but she is banking on her support from councillors to prove she is the local establishment candidate.
Lilian has run a decent campaign - regular updates of her blog and decent leaflets - but someone should ask her how many of the union branches that nominated her actually had meetings that discussed and heard from the candidates. she is clearly to the left of katrina but does want to say so in case she puts anyone off her.
Christine is still the front runner and rightly so - she has won the most votes at the ward meetings despite the misleading % votes and nominations quoted by other candidates. She represents a clear choice for people who want an MP with an independent mind - who won't roll over after the first meeting with the whips office. watch this space - the result on thursday will be close but hopefully a victory for progressive thinkers.

Re: Nottingham South selection (#6)

Pearce - do you really think it is a candidate's job to explain what internal processes trade unions adopted to determine who they would nominate? Surely that is nothing to do with or in the control of any candidate. If any union member is narked about how this was done they should take it up with their union.

To me it sounds like sour grapes from a Christine supporter. Frankly I'm staggered that Christine was so poorly organised that she was unable to get any union nominations.

Let's be honest here. She's known about Alan intending to stand down for a lot longer than other people. If she really is such a friend of the trade unions she should have been building her links in local branches over the past 12 months. And if, as some seem to imply, there was a stitch up she should have had local union members in place to have kicked up a fuss. It's basic political organisation - and to my mind her lack of any union nominations, despite her left credentials demonstrates complacency and/or a real lack of political organisation. Either way this does not reflect well on her.

Everyone seems to say we should speak about policy but Christine has failed to engage in any online activity that demonstrates her policy positions. Again this refelcts poorly on her. It is not diffcult and she could have got someone to start a blog for her.