Getting "White Van" Man to Vote Labour

Back from an Easter visit to home in North Wales to find out that the BNP held the seat in the Havering Council by-election on Thursday in Gooshays. A disappointing result of course. Despite Labour coming 2nd and increasing its share of the vote at the expense of the Tories (and the turnout only being a miserly 22%).

However, there is no way that this overwhelmingly white working class ward should be represented by one BNP and two Tories! We all need to try harder! I think there is more to it than just racism and Labour unpopularity.

Gooshays is not a “sink estate” but to all appearances, a well run and looked after, traditional outer London Council estate. Most of the properties I guess, have now been sold under “The Right to Buy”. I don’t think (this was on a Sunday I visited) that I have ever seen so many “white vans” parked outside homes with adverts on their sides for their self employed owners. This made me think.

Last Saturday evening in Wales, my brother-in-law, a self employed pipe lagger, proudly picked up the Mrs and I from our hotel in his brand new white transit, to go out for a family meal. My brother-in-law is a really hard and conscientious worker, who went out on site every day during the Bank holiday in order to finish a job in time.

My brother-in-law won’t have his company logo sprayed on the sides of his van because he believes that he will not be able to legally smoke while driving if it is identified as a “company vehicle”. I’m not sure that this is actually true or not?

He is not nowadays, a "natural" supporter of the Labour Party, even though he was brought up in a council estate and admits that his business has boomed out of all recognition since Labour came to power. Since most of his work is lagging central heating pipes in new and refurbished hospitals, schools and other public buildings that have been commissioned due to the government pouring money into the public sector infrastructure. However, he thinks that the more business he has, the more he unfairly pays in taxes. He won’t tell me who he votes for, but I can guess.

How can we persuade him and his Essex counterparts to vote Labour?

As you can imagine, we have had a number of wide ranging conversations during the years. Often, admittedly alcohol fuelled, so not always that constructive.

I haven’t got an answer. I think that he appreciates the improvement in the NHS, local schools and crime. Although this is not enough to interest him to consider voting Labour.

The only time I felt that I really had his interest is when we discussed what will happen to him if he becomes too ill to work and will he have an adequate pension when he retires?

As you can guess, the answer is that he will be in a very serious financial mess if he becomes long term sick before he retires, since he cannot afford permanent ill health medical insurance. He is also unsure whether or not his personal pension plans will provide him (and my sister!) with a reasonable living when he retires.

Other countries have industry wide sickness and pension protection plans for the self employed. These collective schemes collect contributions from employers and contractors and share the risk. Despite being suspicious of the State in many ways, he would rather trust the the State (or evens unions?) with his money rather than banks and insurance companies (for obvious reasons).

My point is that we need to attract and appeal to the new working class self employed. Forget any old arguments about how they should all be part of some sort of Council DLO. The genuinely self employed (not false long term construction workers) must be attracted with policies that reflect what concerns them and their own particular circumstances.

Who knows, if we get this right, perhaps in the future, the Tories will tremble when we mention the electoral power of Welsh and Essex “Labour White Van Persons”?

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Re: Getting "White Van" Man... (#1)

Is he Welsh? Show him the video of John Redwood attempting to mouth his anthem!!

Re: Getting "White Van" Man... (#2)

He is 2nd generation Welsh - His Mum & Dad were from Stoke (like many North East Walian's).  Not sure he is word perfect in Hen wlad Fy Nhadau? even though his daughter is now a fairly fluent Welsh speaker!

Re: Getting "White Van" Man... (#3)

On tax - didn't he get the chance to incorporate under this Government and pay corporation (i.e. less tax) on business earnings?

Doesn't he also benefit massively from CGT changes if he even comes to sell him small business (even though the announcement was bungled)?

Has he, his customers and his business not enjoyed the longest record of economic growth ever? I know the line is hackneyed but it happens to be true and nobody can begrudge the government some credit.

The right to buy was a Labour idea but admittedly they didn’t have the guts to see it through.
By the by - Daniel Finkelstein’s excellent blog last week showed (and linked to the Treasury stats on tax as a proportion of GDP) the Thatcher Government “persisted with high taxation”.

We need to deflate the myth that people will pay far less tax under the Conservatives. Certainly not far less. Osborne has repeatedly said he will not be forced into tax cuts. He can Google it!

These conversations should always be about competence. Labour is a more competent party than the Conservatives. On the whole, our record on public services, crime, the economy, security, Northern Ireland and devolution is better.

We’re not perfect - neither record is unblemished and both carry their deep disappointments to proper, rational thinkers – but that’s politics, often politics at its worst.

The way to ensure the unbroken continuation of politics at its worst, I’d tell him, is to fall for the same old simplistic, lowest common denominator political marketing: “We love taxing – they don’t”, “They hate immigrants – we don’t even notice them,” “We’re bureaucrats – they hate rules”…it’s all bull.  

Remind him that, even though there may be a difficult few months ahead, his house value wouldn’t have done too well have the transport linking outer London to the city not been rescued and improved over the last several years.   

Invite him to look at how Conservative supporting newspapers treat him like a salivating idiot with anecdotal evidence of Government waste and petty criminality - while never even entertaining the notion that the same newspapers would ever highlight Government achievement or falling crime figures. Encourage to look at the comments section of Guido’s blog and ask himself if some of the crackpot regulars there are people with whom he is happy to be politically aligned.  

I may even get him to look up how well Stoke did under the last Conservative government, or North East-Wales for that matter? Not well as I understand it.

Then I’d leave him alone as nobody likes to be pestered for too long!!!

Re: Getting "White Van" Man... (#4)

Show him this brilliant, brilliant exchange on Conservativehome following the French President's address to Parliament:

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I couldn't help but notice that Mr Clegg didn't bother to put his headphones on to listen to the translation.

Down right rude if you ask me. Funny the tabloids didn't pick it up!



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Margaret, in fairness he speaks fluent French (and several other languages, having a half-Russian father, Dutch mother and Spanish wife he met while studying in Europe).



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well he's a show off then... Could still have put his headphones on to fit in.


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Fair play to you Margaret - never give up - never surrender!!!

Re: Getting "White Van" Man... (#6)

Get him to come back to Stoke - he sounds like he would feel right at home here!

"White Van" Man to Vote Labour (#5)

Good points Tony, except its usually best not to mention the French at all in my brother-on-law's presence. 

Re: "White Van" Man to Vote Labour (#7)

There are few votes to be won for Labour from self-employed people: they are the keenest supporters of the Tories (reference "How Britain Votes" by Heath, Jowell & Curtice, Pergamon 1985. "understanding ... enlarged in every Chapter"... John H Goldthorpe, no less).

But it is worth trying, and most of grayee's points are good. There is one point on which  I disagree very deeply. Self-employed and working class are mutually exclusive categories. Chartered professional and working class are not.

Re: culture clash (#8)

the labour government does not understand the mindset of people who run their own businesses ie your friend because your typical cabinet minister has as much experience of the real workplace as a cabinet minister in a 19th century tory government.

Re: culture clash (#9)

Not sure this is true at all (Alan Johnson?) I suppose you could say much the same for the average Tory Shadow minister?