The leadership have lost touch...

This episode has caused me great concern, over perhaps the very future and nature of the labour party. I joined the labour party for I believed it was the party of social justice and a party of the working citizen (regardless of class). Whilst I believe that fundamental premise remains - more so than in the grass roots - if there was ever any evidence that perhaps our labour government is COMPLETELY out of touch with what the grass roots and indeed, our own MP’s want done - the following is ample cause for concern.

Over 1 million workers are employed as agency staff in the UK. As the party of the people - I would have thought that the government would have felt at least obliged, if not compelled, to support equal employment rights for agency staff (such as sick pay, holiday leave etc.). However, we find ourselves in the very worrying, troubling and frankly bizarre situation that our labour government OPPOSES Andrew Miller’s bill for employment equalisation. The government have, prima facie, appeared to side with the CBI over it own MP’s and, I would surmise, the majority of its own members. Even although the bill has the backing of 130 labour MP’s, it seems certain to fail for the government is not backing it. The government has offered a “commission” to look at this issue. This is just the latest development that has made me question the fundamental premise of this party. Government objection to the charter of fundamental rights also seemed bizarre to me.

This cannot stand. The Labour party needs comprehensive internal party reform. The party will LOSE the next elections without the grass roots. As much as it would pain me to see labour removed from power - it pains me even more that the government, on the face of it, is choosing business over the worker; changing the fundamental core of the labour party itself. Whilst I appreciate how integral business is to an economy, I believe that workers are far more integral to both the economy and business and I would never have thought I’d see the day where the CBI trumped the working person. It is in part our own fault, we have allowed the grass roots to be so marginalised in say and have given our government near unchecked executive authority that even our own backbenchers cant force their hand. We have also allowed the coronation of two labour leaders when we should have a constitution that values democracy regardless of support.

The grass roots should be able to have the power of recall, after all - it is US who are the party. Even the threat of recall or a vote of no confidence of the leader would be enough to establish the due influence the party members should have in important philosophical issues such as equal rights for ALL workers. The government should also be obliged to carry motions forward into legislation when they are agreed by majority at conference. If the labour party has changed beyond recognition and has indeed become a party where business interests and fear for job losses are put over the fundamental premise of being the party of the working people of all background’s - then I have to ask, what is the point of it any more?

Brown should know better.



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Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#1)

For the sake of discussion:

Isn't there an arguement that there's a kind of 'Laffer curve' with regard to employment law? One in which too few rights for employees mean that businesses are able to exploit them, but also that a too stringent employment law acts as a disincentive for job creation and means that working people can't find jobs?

 

*ducks* 

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#5)

JM
Its the old fight for the 'middle ground' again eh?

We are supposed to be a party for working people yet we seem to compromise with the CBI at every oppurtunity.It shouldnt be an issue of getting the correct balance.It should be about getting the best deal for our core voters who happen to be employees and not employers.
Let the CBI support the Tories and lets not do their dirty work for them.

*i also duck*

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#6)

I don't think my comment was anything to do with battle for the centre ground or anything to do with comprimising our beliefs.

I merely suggested that there is a point at which more stringent employment regulations begin to harm the employment prospects of the people we are supposed to represent.


Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#7)

I mean, I think we could all agree that - taking a ridiculous example - upping the minimum wage to £30 per hour and introducing laws that forced all jobs to be "for life" (i.e. making sacking or redundanct illegal) would actually harm working people because many businesses would close and those that remained open would be disincentivised to hire new workers.

Now, I know no one here is proposing the above measures, but I'm merely making the point that being against particular extensions in employment law doesn't mean that someone is 'caving in to the CBI' or hopelessly 'anti-worker' or 'only concerned about fighting for the middle ground'. There can be a genuine left arguement that some employment laws being extended are counterproductive to working people.

I have no idea whether the agency employment stuff is counterproductive or not, but I would say that someone can be against the extension of full rights to agency workers while still being a principled individual of the left.


Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#8)

JM
'There can be a genuine left arguement that some employment laws being extended are counterproductive to working people.'

There probably are but I really cant think of any at the moment.Employers have had a lot their own way for too long and I believe that balance is far from being addressed by our current Labour leaders.
Just an opinion JM.

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#12)

It should be about getting the best deal for our core voters who happen to be employees and not employers.
Let the CBI support the Tories and lets not do their dirty work for them.

*i also duck*

Missed you! ;-)

It should be about what's best for the Country!! Catering solely for a core vote entitles the Tories to cater solely for theirs once in power. 

The CBI should have their say and they should have some influence as should "working people" (whatever that actually means) have their say and their influence.

Not that you did so in your post Ian, but I want to point out that those of us in the "middle ground" get a little sick and tired when its suggested we have no principles or that we are sell-outs.

The answers to a lot of the country's problems will always fall somewhere between Arthur Scargill and Enoch Powell, between the CBI and the TUC or The Daily Mail and The Daily Mirror - let the conversation about agency workers' rights be about the merits of the argument rather than dogma or who is putting it forward.

*ducks...runs away*

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#2)

The premise that the UK economy will somehow be badly affected by employment law equalisation is false. Business are obviously going to favour keeping the right to dismiss on the spot, but security in the workplace may actually encourage more into an agency line and increase productivity in the economy.

Its the above coupled with the charter of fundamental rights business that is most troublesome. The government are bascially arguing that the British economic advantage is entirely dependant on our workers having less rights than those in germany or france, or the rest of europe.

Last i looked, germany made more than the UK and france was about equal (and thats WITH all the employment legislation).

The government needs a slap.  

 

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#10)

Exactly. I remember the scare stories from the centre-right parties (Tories, LibDems) and CBI brigade that a statutory minimum wage was going to cause mass unemployment...

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#3)

I would agree with the laffer curve idea though - only that the government have positioned the employment laws far closer to 0% and that the true rewards for striking the right balance have yet to be reaped (or indeed reached).

More confident worker in employment (secure) = more productive worker. 

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#4)

Dear Doctrine of the Right


I was at the reception last night for MPs backing the bill hosted by Andrew Miller MP and TULO. So was Tom Watson MP, latterly of the Whip's office and alleged co-conspirator in the plot in 2006 to depose Tony Blair as Leader. I wonder what he reported back. I think we should be told.

Even Janet Anderson MP  firm government loyalist, and PLP representative on the NEC says on Facebook that she is backing the bill.

The job of the next General Secretary will be immeasurably worse if No. 10 gets the politics of this Private Member's Bill wrong.


Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#9)

Regarding the Agency Workers bill.

I give you this link from the Mirror suggesting Brown might be moving in the right direction.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/02/23/pm-says-full-rights-for-temps-89520-20328546/

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#11)

What I want to knowis ... what's Harret harman doing about this. Surely thats why I voted her No2 in the preference vote. The silence has been deafening.

Re: The leadership have lost touch... (#13)

That's true.  Just what is the role of the "Party Chair" in these party debates?