LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch?

The Left Economics Advisory Panel (LEAP) is hosting a rally on Monday 13th October 2008 at 7:30pm at the House of Commons - entitled 'Who Pays for the Credit Crunch'

'Who Pays for the Credit Crunch?'

Monday 13th October 08
7.30pm
Committee Room 10, House of Commons

Chair: John McDonnell MP

Speakers include: Brian Caton (POA), Jeremy Dear (NUJ), Kelvin Hopkins MP, Prem Sikka (Prof. of Accountancy, University of Essex), plus others


John McDonnell, LEAP Chair, said

"My view is clear – the key question is who should pay for this crisis? Pouring taxpayers money into bailing out the banks by recapitalisation without nationalisation will mean that ordinary taxpayers pay for the crisis caused by the mistakes and greed of the bankers. Nationalisation to control the banks, prevent repossessions and halt company closures is the only way to provide the security needed."

See A People's Programme for the Crisis by LEAP - and have your say.

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Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#1)

This is a ridiculous answer from McDonnell. The actual answer to the question of who pays for the credit crunch is 'we all do'. The thing that the Government has the ability to influence is how and when we pay.


Do we pay a large amount upfront by taking equity shares and/or buying up bad debt from banks, in a move, which if we are lucky will end up not costing very much in the medium term, because the share prices of banks will rise and we'll get the money back. Or do we do nothing because we 'don't want to waste taxpayers money' and end up with a longer and deeper recession, which we pay for through the extra misery of unemployment, repossessions, extra government borrowing to make up for lost tax revenue plus spending cuts?

Or do we take McDonnell's 'third way' of nationalising the banks, so destroying international confidence in the UK economy. The likely consequences of which would be a run on the pound, so in inflation and Government difficulties in borrowing on the international money markets resulting in spending cuts? All of which would result in, yes you guessed it, a big reccession, rising unemployment, falling real incomes etc. etc.

At a time when capitalism as we know it is collapsing around our ears, and we are crying out for radical but practical solutions and ideas to deal with the crisis, it is a tragedy that McDonnell's ill thought out nonsense is the best the left can come up with.


Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#2)

Our government is likely to imitate Warren Bufffet's rescue of Goldman Sachs, where we inject capital into the banks, and in return gain preference shares, which will probably pay an interest rate, plus give the government a lot of control over the banks.  Lets wait and see till tomorrow.

I would have thought McDonnell was pleased at the govt action, but it appears some people are never pleased (perhaps because they've got in the habit of always opposing the Labour govt).

Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#3)

See today's Guardian for a fuller explanation:

The sentiment was echoed by Labour MP John McDonnell. He said: " At a minimum the government must place conditions on any bail-out including full public and parliamentary scrutiny of the banks' accounts, representation on the boards, no repossession of homes, a pay cap for bank directors and the end of bonus binges, and a reduction of consumer interest rates on borrowing.

"Without these conditions, the bail-out is nothing but a subsidy by the taxpayer to the very people who have brought our economy to the brink of collapse," McDonnell said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/08/banking.economy 

 

Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#4)

Preference shares themselves will not give the govenrment control over banks since preference share generally do not have voting rights. They do get first call on any dividends. The governments influence will come from the fact that they can withhold future cash injections.

Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#5)

perhaps because they've got in the habit of always opposing the Labour govt

This is the stupidest comment on the subject so far.

Well done.

At least andycharlwood put forward an argument against, even if it is wrong.

Re: LEAP RALLY: Who Pays for the Credit Crunch? (#6)

John Maynard Keynes once remarked that 'when the capital development of a country becomes the by-product of a casino, the job is likely to be ill done'. (hattip to Simon Caulkin)

McDonnell is not being ridiculous at all.  He called for nationalisation of the banks last week and Brown has partially-nationalised them this week.  If Brown did this a year ago, the people who bang on about confidence would have screamed blue murder about government interference.  Now, that we have a massive crisis on our hands, the money men actually welcome this partial nationalisation.  They want the losses nationalised and the gains privatised.  "International confidence in the UK economy" to me means that the country is governed by the "casino economy" and not by the people.