Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel?

I am not going to give you Nick Cohenesque tripe that seriously suggests that Bush's foreign policy is to have Amnesty International, with first-strike capability, or that he is the equivalent of a socialist leader of the International Brigades.

Undoubtedly, and to the despair of the right who want to paint us as pacifist Stalinists (a contradiction in terms, surely?), there is a long tradition of opposing all tyrannies, and promoting liberal interventionism within the Labour party.

Recently, Iraq has thrown the concept of liberal interventionism into serious doubt. The most worrying side-effect though is for many on the left to criticise America as responsible for almost everything that is wrong with tyrannies, and when America goes aginst these tyrannies, to try and paint the dictators of these tyrannies as socialist martyrs, fighting against the horrors of US neo-liberalism.

It worries me that because Cuba is so close geographically to the US, that the crimes of Fidel and Che, for that reason, go ignored.

Che Guevara oversaw kangarro court trials after the 1959 revolution in Cuba, resulting in the deaths of hundereds of people. His fellow motercycle comrade, David Mitrani was shocked to learn that Che wanted to become an "effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machine". Che also implored the Soviets to place misslies on Cuba, even though he new the US could interpret this as an act of war: "the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face if the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names... they will feel completely happy and fulfilled".

Of course the left here should protest about what they may see as this government infringing upon fair trials, and continuing nuclear pro-liferation, but unless they condemn far worse atrocities commited by anti-US regimes, the former criticisms may ring hollow.

As for Fidel, well, he jailed political opponents, and "his" people are still not allowed to travel abroad (and I'm trying to understand what sort of socialist is comfortable with millions of people being the property of one man, or indeed with Castro supressing trade unions). He also expelled gays and "other scum" in the '80's from Cuba, and is responsible for exiling a fifth of the Cuban population to Florida. And they most definitely were not all right-wing worshippers of the foul Batista regime. Good social-democrats and democratic socialists, like the family of the filmmakers who made 'East of Havana', owned papers supporting the Castro revolution, but were then shut down.


This is not about supporting a Bush approach, or a Kissenger approach to US foreign policy. I support lifting the embargo, the travel ban, and I too think it is good that Cuba has world-standard healthcare. However, the last point has too many paralels with the fawning over Mussolini for making the trains run on time. But I certainly hope that freedom, doesn't mean IMF imposed freedom, so that Cuba is blackmailed into privatisation and flat taxes. Of course free healthcare and education shoud be maintained. But socialists should not have to make a choice between ambitious social spending programmes, and democracy.

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Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#1)

socialists should not have to make a choice between ambitious social spending programmes, and democracy

Of course they shouldn't.  But, tragically, choices frighteningly close to that are too often forced onto people - especially in the developing world through much of the 20th century, but today as well. 

Perhaps it is too predictable for me to cite Allende and the Pinochet coup, but vulnerable governments have been presented with only one option by the imperialist powers: the IMF-imposed 'freedom' you refer to (which, of course, is no freedom at all) - either 'willingly' or at the barrel of a gun. 

When governments try to resist the explicit and implicit anti-democratic measures employed to dismantle any programmes based on 'ambitious social spending' they are quickly caricatured as demagogues and anti-democratic (e.g. Chavez).

None of that is to justify a single political prisoner (let alone a single political execution!) but rather to set a context against which any such discussion must be conducted.  It isn't serious politics to equate the Cuban health-service with the Italian railways.  Quite apart from the empirical historical point that the improvements in the Italian railways predated Mussolini, and much0vaunted punctuality was primarily an item of propaganda, the meaning of the two achievements (or alleged achievements) are qualitatively different and in very important ways.  But more importantly it is perfectly justifiable and explicable to put historical events in the context of larger processes and international trends and relations.  Not to do so is extremely dangerous.  It would lead people to say: 'people's condemnation of Hitler allows leads to them fawning over Churchill, despite the fact that he killed tens of thousands of people in Dresden (alongside many other atrocities)'.  Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with addressing the second part of the statement, but to connect it with the first is dangerous and irrational.  Dresden has no impact on the scale and nature of Hitler's crimes, nor on the importance of defeating him and the unquestionable 'good' of the allies winning the Second World War.  Now, similarly, that scale and nature of Hitler's crimes and the importance of the allied victory doesn't stop Dresden from being a war atrocity - Blitzkrieg is an abomination.  Nor does it render Churchill more sympathetic in some kind of history of the charismatic political individual.  But for those of all politics who laud the allied victory, they are not wrong to do so because of Dresden, nor the Katyn massacre.

Similarly the heroism and rectitude of anti-imperialism, whether that be in India, Africa, Cuba, Ireland or Venezuela, is not destroyed by the very unheroic and immoral actions by anti-imperialists, whether that be the massacres at Cawnpore or Lari or pub bombings.  Sometimes the insistance on context gets criticised as 'moral relativism' - but really context is everything.

Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#3)

Blitzkrieg is an abomination

Blitzkrieg has nothing to do with Dresden.  I think you are confusing it with Blitz.   Even then that would be wrong.  Dresden was hit with a 'Firestorm' of such intensity that the canals boiled and concrete melted.


Blitz refers to the bombing of UK's cities by the Luftwaffe.


Blitzkrieg was coined and first used by an American journalist to describe the 'Lightning War' of the German advance through the low countries and France in 1940 and referred to the astonishing speed of their attacks and rapid manoevres.  The German word for this tactic was Schwerpunkt.  But it doesn't sound as sexy.

Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#4)

I stand corrected.  The technicalities of military history is not my forte, and it's clearly yours.

Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#6)

I did not know that. I had assumed that Blitzkrieg was what the Germans called it, and that 'Lightning War' was the English translation (which is true).

Also, why was it called 'the Blitz' when they bombed Britain? 

Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#2)

Sorry but: To compare what happened 60, 40, 20 years ago to what is happening today is similarly wrong. The times are changing quicker then ever before, politics is a very different place in the 21st century.

If politicians were to tell the truth all of the time, one thing, you would hear a lot more about would be the fact that they are genuinely unsure about the decisions they make most of the time.

Most politicians are good people but as the saying goes power corrupts and the men in charge are soon forced to do things they know, deep inside, are wrong. Even Bush, Cameron and Brown have fallen into this trap that lurks inside modern politics.  

Secrets and lies, secrets and lies: this is the deep underlying problem that causes a lot of the tension in the world of diplomats and politicians.

Why can't the leaders of the world just take a big step back and see that they are not defusing problems the way they should be and that they, the men in charge, are actually feeding the problem making the world a more dangerous place for 'we the people.' 

We should be safer in this better educated, more moralistic world of the 21st century. But instead our leaders concentrate too much on the differences between nations and not the other 90% of the equation: culture and civilisation.

Free Georgia from Saakashvilli and save Britain from Cameron. Please.

Re: Why does the left fawn over Che and Fidel? (#5)

And try Saakashvili as a War Criminal who launched GRAD-grade multiple rocket attack on sleeping South Ossetian civilians (who he claimed to be his own citizens)!

And stop Miliband from (poodling Bush and) pampering Saakashvili and give him billion dollar direct aid which he’ll surely use to re-arm
Georgia. Instead, all aid should go to the NGOs rebuilding the country.