Time For A Real Debate On Europe.

Is it time for Gordon Brown to be brave and hold a referendum on the EU Treaty?


The government won a vote on its substance by a comfortable margin in the commons last night but the EU Treaty signed after some delay by Gordon Brown in Lisbon last year has come back to haunt British politics, again.


Although there is little parliamentary support for a referendum there is a small chance that at some time during the next six weeks rebel MP’s on both sides of the house might unite to try and embarrass Brown into calling one.


If that were to happen, despite frequent patient explanations from ministers that ratification will not mean any substantive change in the relationship between Britain and the EU, there is a realistic chance that the government could lose the vote.


It is though a risk worth taking, partly because a government that is fighting to retain its credibility would be unwise not to honour a commitment made in its manifesto at the last General Election, but also for another and perhaps more important reason.


In Britain we have never, not even during the last referendum back in the seventies, had a real debate on our relationship with Europe.


Instead we have had a hysterical playground squabble that has left voters, even those who are inclined to give the case for a more robust European Union a fair hearing, confused, bewildered and inclined to tune out whenever the subject is raised in the media.


Holding a referendum would mean that both the pro and anti Europe camps would finally have to nail their colours to the mast. Are we better off in or out of Europe? Let the people decide.


Granted holding a referendum is a risky business and despite his many good qualities Gordon Brown is not one of life’s risk takers, but given our standing in the polls and with the public this is no time to be faint hearted.



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Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#2)

We need to keep this front and centre. The Tories will fight eachother like cats in a bag, given enough time.

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#3)

Are there really Labour constituencies where this faux-intellectual pissing match engages a significant proportion of the electorate?  If so, YIKES.

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#4)

No to a referendum, from me.

We shouldn't even pretend that any popular vote on Europe would be conducted in a fair and unbiased manner.

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#5)

If the EU was just a free-trade agreement, then fine. But it does overreach in terms of jurisdiction. But that's not my main problem. My main problem, is that, while it purports to be a free-trade agreement, it isn't. it's not even fair trade, as 40% of it's budget goes to distorting the free market. The agricultural subsidies have 3 centrifugal effects across Europe:


1) It distorts the free market

2) It damages the environment

3) It sustains poverty in third-world countries  

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#6)

The CAP is an awful policy and needs to be scrapped as soon as possible.

There's no place for protectionism and economic nationalism in Europe.

Hopefully if Blair wins the Presidency. he'll see the end of it.

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#7)

Apart from the small matter of GB breaking an election promise and ignoring the basic tenements of democracy, the frightening thing about The Lisbon Treaty is that it allows the creeping creation of a "superstate".
GB could well find himself with no control over; foreign policy, the army, tax, the Bank of England, Law.
And all controlled by who? An unelected  bureaucracy in Brussels.

Re: Time For A Real Debate On Europe. (#8)

There was so much wrong with that comment, I'm not even going to bother to correct you.

I have just one recommendation - stop reading the Daily Mail and the tabloids.