CRIME AND PUNISHMENT??

luke warm Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 11:45:16 AM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

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CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? | 15 comments (15 topical)

Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#1)

by JM on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 12:29:28 PM GMT

Why do you post here?


Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#2)

by HOWLERMONKEY on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 03:08:11 PM GMT

Becouse he's a troll. (Do not feed the trolls)


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#7)

by luke warm on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:46:28 AM GMT

I thought this might be a sensitive issue.

The reason I write these blogs is because I am so horrified at what I see happening to our country.

I n the past 10 years I have seen just about everything I ever held dear slowly disintegrating into a terminal meltdown of biblical proportion.

It is a release valve for my frustrations and is the only way I thought a Government Minister might just see what many British citizen are now thinking.  I ‘m pretty sure it won’t make a difference because Ministers take no notice of public opinion, but at least it makes me feel better.

Yes I am a Conservative and you are quite wrong about criticism not appearing on the Webcameron site. Myself, and many like me were horrified at the unholy mess David Cameron was making when he first took over the leadership.

Some of the pronouncements he made were a disaster, life long Conservatives were in despair and he was loosing hand over fist on the opinion polls. On the forum  we were brutal in our criticism of him. Day after day several of us hammered  away until that glorious day at Blackpool when he made the speech every one of us had been asking for for months.

It was almost as though he had read the forum and used it as the basis for the rebirth of our party.  From that day the improvement in the polls has been dramatic until we are now 13 points in the lead.

I just think it is a shame that people on this forum cannot be as brave and follow the same thread  because I’m afraid Gordon Brown has been found out to be totally lacking in leadership and the multitude of his past mistakes are coming back to haunt him.

I’m afraid if I submitted the blog I have prepared about Gordon Brown, the moderators would have serious heart attacks and the forum would probably burst into flames.

If Labour can not do something dramatic to alter this downward spiral, then the next election could see the end of the party. Besides if Ministers are kick started into making changes it will benefit me won’t it?


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#8)

by TonyH on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 12:59:42 PM GMT

Luke,

I’m afraid you’ve exposed yourself as a liar.

Here’s your first post, where you open with: "I have been a Labour voter all my life, but I must say I am becoming increasingly concerned by the state of our Government."

You finish with: “Please GB - think of GB and save us from the Tories.”

I hope you’ve had fun and that you go and find something constructive to do.


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#9)

by luke warm on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 03:10:58 PM GMT

OK So you’ve caught me. I had no need to admit it, but I thought it only fair to come clean  and explain my real reasons for coming on this forum.

Something constructive is what I am desperately trying to do.  As I said before - The hope that someone might see one of my posts and maybe just start thinking about, and owning up to the fact, that  an unholy mess has been made of our country during the last 10 years.

I surely don’t need to go into the problems of failing schools, out of control crime, out of control immigration, breakdown of the NHS, terminal decline of every public service, the desperate situation in our prisons and a toothless criminal justice sustem. The armed services, police and nurses in almost open revolt, and that’s not even mentioning Northern Rock. - I could fill two foolscap sheets with the list.  

If you refuse to acknowledge that the country is in turmoil, then please continue to bury your heads in the sand.

I will just stand by and watch your Government destroy itself, but sadly I must also stand by and watch it destroy the country at the same time.


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#10)

by TonyH on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 05:09:45 PM GMT

Surely you don't believe that you're introducing us to the idea that there are difficulties in running the UK?

We know all about the stories on crime and NHS funding. Nobody and no administration is perfect. What we also know is that we trust a Labour government far more than we trust a Conservative one.

What you fail to mention in your posts is that your evidence is anecdotal. A magistrate being reprimanded does not make this a country of left-wing loons. The cost of upgrading your boiler's efficiency does not mean there's a vast global warming conspiricy to take £30 from you.

Had you actually read the forum, you'd see there are Lib Dems and visiting Tories very welcome to share their views. There was never any need or reason to pretend you're a Labour supporter. There is no facility on Conservative or Liberal Democrat blogs for people to post stories as you have here.

I might also add that we've looked at the alternatives to a Labour government and the problems would fill more than two foolscap pages.

Conservatives cite evidence of social mobility for grammar schools, yet ignore evidence on the state helping poor families through benefits.

They said that the minimum wage would cost 100,000 jobs and expect to be trusted with the economy after such a blunder.

They spent the last 10 years sneering about the relationship between Brown and Blair while they have plotted and prepared to dismiss every leader they had since and including Margaret Thatcher (not to mention the current one - wait until poll numbers drop again).

They claim to love Margaret Thatcher due to the tough economic measures she brought in - yet not a mention - not a single word of praise for a Chancellor who oversaw 10 years of growth. 

They also love Thatcher because she won a war but no word to welcome the actions in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Sierra Leone.

They undermine Britain's relationship with America yet defend their policy of "constructive engagement" with  South Africa during apartheid.

They think bringing back hanging would act as a deterrent to criminals who live under the threat of murder by other criminals.

They think that the Police can operate without paperwork and still build cases against a criminal class who've never been as legally literate.

They think that they're not seeing enough improvement from the NHS for the extra investment yet don't think targets should come into it at all.

They think too many people have no respect for the law and then openly flout a law banning fox hunting.

They think 'market forces' should be allowed to operate unfettered yet screech about Northern Rock saying the Government didn't intervene early enough.

They think the police have too much paper work and that the public sector is too full of bureaucracy - yet they can't stop sending in freedom of information requests in the never ending search for salacious news stories.

It isn't good enough for them that almost every national newspaper is right-wing and openly declares its conservative views - the BBC has to be vilified for what junior members put on Facebook and every word on their news website must be scrutinised by hacks.

They’ve lost three general elections on an immigration platform yet insist on continuing to hand the exaggeration to the British public in newspapers.

They oversaw a Britain where the National Front was at its height and now lecture Labour about yobs on the streets.

They claim their good name was destroyed by Alistair Campbell and forget all about David Mellor, Jonathan Aitken, Jeffery Archer, John Major, Edwina Currie and Ian Harvey.

As a white, grey and blue rinse Party from the Countryside, they grimly and predictably call multiculturalism in the Cities “a failure”.

There are no heads in the sand here Luke and we refuse to buy anecdotal reality from the gutter press.

We’ve seen the alternative to Labour  – and it’s not pretty.


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#11)

by jkitleft on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 06:45:24 PM GMT

The real problem Luke, was that the arguments were visceral, rather than at least being open to an objective, or pragmatic outlook.

I am not the biggest fan of this government, to put it lightly, but I probably couldn't imagine voting any other way. There is much to criticise, indicative on a day in which Northern Rock will be subject to a PPP partnership, a policy which when one of the 'P's fails, the other 'P' can't prop it up. However, purporting the venacular of the Daily Mail does not help the argument, as that is a paper that does not possess the perspicacity to be open to the objective analysis, that left-wing and right-wing people would be better to have. 


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#14)

by NorthernMonkey on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:45:59 AM GMT

What on earth are you banging on about luke? This country is better now than it's ever been, especially public services.

How can you possibly argue that schools or hospitals are in a bad state after the complete mess that your party left them in in 1997?

The economy has seen 11 years of economic stability and strength and we're a more tolerant, democratic and prosperous nation than ever before.

It's not the country that's wrong luke, it's you. If you're going to rant on like a Daily Mail whinger then you'll find no sympathy from me.


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#13)

by grayee on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:39:04 PM GMT

well spotted Tony


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#3)

by alexhilton on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 03:47:13 PM GMT

Should I ban Luke Warm? I thought about it before but considered it a borderline case.


Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#4)

by grayee on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 04:16:39 PM GMT

It would appear that he is not a Labour Party supporter.  Can you ban him from making posts but let him make comments?


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#6)

by NorthernMonkey on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:02:50 PM GMT

He shouldn't be allowed to write articles. You wouldn't get anti-Tory pieces on ConHome.


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Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#5)

by TonyH on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 06:17:47 PM GMT

I don't think people should be banned because they're not Labour supporters and they certainly shouldn't be banned because they disagree with Labour.

Luke Warm never writes anything about debate or policy and just seems to add ill-considered, reactionary nonsense.
He's not the only one, so banning him may make the case for banning other crap sellers.  


Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#12)

by alexhilton on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:18:44 PM GMT

I have now banned Luke Warm because he was using this generally open-minded forum for the purpose of campaigning against a Labour government. That's unacceptable, though intelligent and polite challenges of Labour policy and ideology are not.


Re: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT?? (#15)

by jkitleft on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:24:21 PM GMT

There's a reason why crime gets so much coverage. In the US, many policemen and women are murdered each night. That's why it's not mentioned. The crime rate is comparitively low to other countries, and the human mind has evolved to respond to more individual cases rather than a mass case. That is why the Suffolk kilings, Madeliene McCann, the Soham murders, Jamie Bulger, Sharon Beshinivsky etc etc. get so much coverage, because with crime rates lower than other countries, there's room to be shocked.


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