In praise of slates for Labour internal elections

A debate has opened up on Grimmerupnorth, Labour Left Forum, LabourHome as well as here about the issue of slates for the forthcoming Labour National Executive Committee (NEC). Questions are being asked, aspertions cast, and denigrations peppered. It is as though political animals with a common agenda shouldn't been seen congregating together. Oh, you are on a slate - political pervert.
If that were the case then political parties wouldn't exist.


 Of course, at the rate the mainstream ones  are losing members, perhaps they won't in a few years' time.
As a passionate believer in party politics as active citizenship, I have come to recognise that collective organisation is vital to our democracy whether through the place of work as a trade unionist, or as a community activist through my local Labour Party.

As far as the electorate is concerned when it comes to going to the polls, who are they voting for - the candidate, or the party? We know from experience, most people vote for the party i.e. the slate, not the person. You have only got to look at the fate of those parliamentarians and local councillors who have fallen out with their party and stood as independents. Most (with a few notable exceptions) become victims of their own vanity and lose.

What is coming under scrutiny now is the 10-plus year old Centre Left Grassroots Alliance (CLGA) slate for the NEC. Initially CLGA was a joint political venture between Labour Reform (now incorporated into five-year old Save the Labour Party (STLP)) and the 35-year old Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (CLPD). I welcome this interest. In 2006, CLGA won four of the six places in the Constituency section of the NEC. In 2008 we want to send a clear message on behalf of members by aiming to take all six places.

At issue is how do members in a three-million member/affiliate organisation work together on national governance and policy? It's worthwhile remembering that Labour is not a unitary national organisation. Instead, it is a multi-layered federal organisation, with some 175,000 individual members organised inside 639 parliamentary constituencies in thousands of electoral ward related branches. The branch based on electoral wards, not the British Parliamentary constituency, is the interface between each individual members and the party structure. It is a very fragile link for most members requiring dedicated volunteers (usually) to maintain local contact. It needs to be rediscovered by the Party leadership and nurtured. It is the route to reconnecting Labour in local communities to the public realm. Each one of those members has six votes for candidates in the Constituency section of the NEC. Deadline for nominations 1 April 2008. Ballot papers due in the post 5 June. Close of poll expected 4 July 2008.   

In the run up to Labour's election victory in 1997, CLGA was formed by members to give organised voice to concerns that the New Labour project (while initially offering electoral success) would stifle party democracy. Leading lights in the New Labour project under Blair got very close to succeeding.

The only people in the Party who have kept that mass-membership idea alive since the mid-1990s and carry that beacon today are members of the Centre Left Grassroots Alliance, including latterly, Save the Labour Party, and let's not forget - the Labour Representation Committee. But sadly, to my mind and that of many others, not Compass. It is not for the want of trying on the part of CLGA.

Consider it work in progress.

As Curlew succinctly puts it on Labour Left Forum: "Cheers Dunc, think I've got it - voting for the slate means no wasted votes."



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Re: In praise of slates for Labour (#1)

Any idea what Christine Shawcroft will do if she doesn't win the Nottingham South selection taking place at the moment?

Re: In praise of slates (#2)

This is just a long blog in favour of what centre-left members of the NEC have done to help connect the Party with members- an analysis I think almost everyone who has been taking part in this recent debate agrees with.

But, Peter, you completely gloss over the argument that is going on just now about the CLGA slate.

The core point is that John Wiseman could do as good a job on the NEC as many on the CLGA slate (and could do all the great things that you mention the CLGA slate having done in the past).

Why should the CLGA be able to DEMAND loyalty from people on the Labour Left when nobody apart from you and Ann have gone through any sort of CLGA selection process?

Surely a vote for Wiseman from those of us on the left is as valid as it is for anyone else? Or are unelected members of the CLGA slate somehow more worthy than Wiseman, simply by virtue of you annointing them? 

Re: In praise of slates (#4)

Dear leftscot

Noooooooo. I sought to answer these points on my own blog in answer to a comment from Angry.

http://petergkenyon.typepad.com/peterkenyon/2008/01/labours-centre.html

In short the only members of the NEC who consistently stand-up for members' rights and internal party democracy are Ann Black, Pete Willsman, Walter Wolfgang and Christine Shawcroft.
 

Pete and Christine are restanding on their merits. Think of it like a trigger ballot process. The Campaign for Labour Party Democracy Executive endorsed their candidacy, as the Labour Black Representation Committee proposed Mohammed Azam, and Welsh Labour Grassroots proposed Fran Griffiths.

Let's direct our anger at the real threat to internal democracy arising from the stranglehold of No. 10 on the Party.

Would internal ballots of those member organisations of the CLGA have produced different results? Oh, and don't forget Christine is a vice chair of the Labour Representation Committee as well.

Re: In praise of slates (#5)

I do think leftscot has some valid points with this which can't be dismissed simply by appealing for unity against the right. It remains true that Wiseman could potentially represent us just as well as anyone on the CLGA slate might - perhaps even better - and it does strike me that at least with him we know exactly who we're going to be voting for, and there is no mist surrounding how he came to stand in the first place. Just because candidates are part of a slate shouldn't give them any extra legitimacy, especially when that slate has been selected undemocratically, ala CLGA.

I'd even go as far as to say it is healthy for Labour's democracy that Wiseman is standing, and for the future of democracy in our party. He's taken a brave move in deciding to stand, and he'll certainly be getting my support.

Re: In praise of slates (#6)

I've posted on this before and it seems others share a similar view to mine. I'm personally not convinced by Peter's defence of the GRA slate and his suggestion that we should treat Pete and Christine like its some sort of trigger. Why should we? And if thats the case does Peter think Ann Black should not have put herself to the membership of STLP in the ballot?

I would say she was exactly right to do so because I personally thought STLP's decision to hold a formal election for its nominees was excellent. The fact that the choosing of the members on the remainder of the slate does not appear to be quite so democratic is a cause for concern. Quite frankly its difficult for us to say we want a more democratic party when the slates we're expected to vote for and support aren't decided democratically.

John Wiseman represents a view in the Party that has wide support - I hope he can build on the support he appears to be gaining on this site.

Re: In praise of slates (#7)

I'm really happy to see Wiseman standing. There are those of us on the left who wish to reclaim the party but we can only do so with fresh tactics and fresh faces. We also need to present people who can win broader support. Wiseman is a committed trade unionist and activist and I heartily support that. Why was the CLGA not all elected by ballot? Better yet why don't we organise and bring together more of the youth sections and present a challenge as a legitimate grassroots alternative? Too often we are forced to vote for CLGA candidates who lack legitimacy and fail to excite the future of our party. Lets move on and elect more independent left candidates like Wiseman and forget the corrupt vehicles that have failed us in the past.

 

 

 

Re: In praise of slates (#20)

As I've said on the Wiseman thread, I'll be supporting Wiseman, and I applaud his decision to stand. I just wish the rest of the left candidates - especially those on slates - would sit down and think through their approach to Wiseman's canditure.

Re: In praise of slates (#21)

Exactly! As the reaction across several blogs as been downright nasty. The image is very much of a faction who have forgotten what they represent and freezing out change. Oh and freezing out democratic legitimacy while they are at it!

Re: In praise of slates (#8)

I can't believe you are defending the lack of democracy as the results of an election would not be in doubt! What about other people coming forward and ensuring legitimacy? Face it. To get the changes we truley want we need to have more independent left candidates such as wiseman who the party machine cannot smear with links to undemocratic organisations.

Re: In praise of slates (#14)

Wiseman will be getting my vote, if only because I can't abide by the complete lack of democracy in CLGA. We're meant to be reminding the Labour Party of its commitment to democracy, not assuming that just because we're on the left we're automatically allowed to bypass the mandate that comes with a properly conducted election. I can see no reason to support a CLGA slate when Wiseman's commitment to democracy is quite clearly not in question. With the CLGA, it seems to be a case of pot, kettle and black.

A vote for Wiseman would be a powerful message to those - on the left or right - who think democracy doesn't apply to them.

Re: In praise of slates (#15)

I have nothing against the principles of the Grassroots, it is the perecived hole in the way candidates are selected the lack of labour party members engaged in the process, as the well as the overall democracy issue.  I have stated previously, my other votes will be for the grassroots as we have no other independent left/centr-lefties standing.

John

Re: In praise of slates (#18)

It's always ironic to see someone say they are independently mided, then pull out a CLPD newsletter and read out the names of those they have been told to vote for. I'm backing Azhar Ali, Deborah Gardiner, Sonika Nirwal, Ellie Reeves and Peter Wheeler - the CLPD/CLGA/"grassroots" slate have had it their own way in NEC elections for too long!

Re: In praise of slates (#19)

So you mean you're going to vote for the Labour First slate that you've been told to vote for?

Big deal.

Re: In praise of slates (#3)

Either way, I hope she gets elected to the NEC as a member of the CLGA slate. In the event of her being selected PPC for Nottingham South she can continue to serve on the NEC until she is elected as a Member of Parliament.

slates for Labour internal elections (#9)

Hi Pete,excellent posting,which seems to quite rightly excite the readers of the site.At the end of the day,sites like this one enable us as members to debate the issues and indeed candidates and slates,that perhaps years ago did not occur.For those looking for furhter info Ann Blacks website is an excellent read for anyone who wishes to find out what really goes on at the NEC meetings.It certainly surprised me about who votes and speaks on various policy decisions

Re: In praise of slates for elections (#10)

Dear Peter,

It's interesting what you have written, but I must say, having read the spirited debate, that I cannot agree with what you have said, and that the mindset of the CLGA worries me.

You say:

"In short the only members of the NEC who consistently stand-up for members' rights and internal party democracy are Ann Black, Pete Willsman, Walter Wolfgang and Christine Shawcroft."

This isn't really an argument in favour of voting for your slate- it is just a sentence with some favourable words and phrases inserted before the names of your colleagues. You have said nothing to make anyone doubt that Wiseman would work as hard for party members were he elected.
 
"Pete and Christine are restanding on their merits. Think of it like a trigger ballot process."

Sort of like a "trigger ballot process" that is triggered by nothing and doesnt include a ballot? It's a poor excuse for a total lack of democracy in the CLGA. Only the voters in the NEC election will be able to decide whether or not members should stay on.

I know that many people will vote for Wiseman before you and your CLGA colleagues off the back of the way you have tried to demand blind loyalty from people, which is somewhat hypocritical when it is considered that the CLGA slate is not democratically selected.

Surely this attitude is just replacing the control-freakery of the leadership with control-freakery from the CLGA?

Re: In praise of slates for elections (#12)

As the instigator of much of this debate I find  it very interesting there is so much dismay at the lack ofdemocracy  in the CLGA. And support for John Wiseman...... No-one disputes for one minute  that Christine, Walter and Pete Willsman  have tried their  damndest to fight the New labour machine but the point is   that  ALL  candidates should be selected and  ratified by democratic process. That is surely what bodies  like STLP  and CLPD were supposed to be about? We cannot say it's terrible  that  for example, Party Chairs, are appointed, then have a slate which is largely comprised of people who have not been voted on.
That is why I urged   the  CLPD exec   a few months back to  hold elections. I have no doubt  Christine and pete Willsman would have been on  an elected slate - it would also have given people  on the left like John W the chance to have  a go. Had he not been elected, then he would not be standing unilaterally. As someone     has pointed  out, Ann Black stood in a ballot of the STLP and won easily........

Re: In praise of slates for elections (#16)

But who would have had confidence in the results of that ballot? Its hardly a wide electorate. Have you considered that many just support you in elections as its the only alternative? Its time for real grass roots involvement and an end to the closed shop of the CLGA

Re: In praise of slates for elections (#17)

Don't necessarily disagree with that in long term. My point was  in current debate CLGA  would have much more cred if all candidates had been  voyted on....

Re: In praise of slates (#11)

I'm quite astonished how people can get so passionate about NEC elections!

With all due respect, the positions hold little to no power and whoever gets on it, won't be able to make one ounce of difference.

Re: In praise of slates (#13)

But they should!  Anyone motice my comment on the old GenSec thread:

Tribune reports today that the GenSec Job Spec was issued contrary to explicit instructions to party officers from the NEC that the NEC should be consulted on wording. Instead hired headhunters (Rockpools) wrote the spec. Diane Hayter is furious. Final decision is now expected to be made in March not this month.

Could the worm be turning? We can hope.