"Safer to be feared than to be loved"

This morning I listened via the BBC radio website “play it again” facility, to a translation of the infamous book “The Prince” by “Niccolo Machiavelli”.

This was last week's BBC Radio 4 “Book of the Week”. The “play it again” facility lasts a week, so you can still hear it in full until I suppose tomorrow morning’?

This version had been translated by Peter Constantine (Amazon £7.69) and was read by Peter Firth.

Machiavelli is someone who you hear being referred to quite often but no-one you know has ever read his books (or maybe no-one wants to admit it?). Cromwell apparently owned a manuscript; Napoleon had a copy of the book at the Battle of Waterloo, while Hitler boasted that he always had a copy on his bedside table.

Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" in 1513 after an illustrious career as a diplomat, courtier and soldier for the Italian Florentine republic. At the time of writing he was in exile after being wrongly accused of "conspiracy" and had even been tortured (by a particularly cruel process which involved deliberately dislocating both his shoulders). Despite experiencing such torture, Machiavelli thought that it was a perfectly legitimate political tool!

Nick Robinson, the BBC Political reporter (and blogger) introduced most of the readings and tried to draw comparisons to modern day British politics. While I enjoyed listening to the 5 programmes, it was clear that 16th century Italy was not a particularly pleasant place to live in and that there are not that many modern day lessons to learnt from his book.

Barbaric and unspeakable cruelty at the time was quite commonplace. Italy was a divided country of warring city states in almost constant bloody conflict. Surprisingly, Machiavelli was a voice of reason with regard to cruelty and warfare. While he supported rulers being cruel and ruthless when necessary, he wanted it to be quick and short lived. Afterwards, a ruler who wanted to survive should rely on being a fair and just Prince, rather than just a despot (and he should be mean and keep taxes low!)

I had until today always thought that the most famous quotation by Machiavelli was that it was “better to be feared than to be loved”. However the programme explained that his actual conclusion was that for a ruler it was “safer to be feared than to be loved”. Which I think is somewhat different.

A good historical rather than political read.

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Safer to be feared than to be loved (#1)

I have read The Prince - in fact a came across my old copy at the weekend. Though I didn't realise there was anything shameful about having read it.

It's actually a nicely presented work and you get the impression of an older civil servant explaining, in small words and with illustrations, his formula for nation building.

Can't help feeling Iraq would be in a better state now if a few highly-placed Americans had referenced the work.

Good books (#2)

The art of war by Sun Tzu, and the book of lord Shang, are also very good  realpolitic reads.
(Sorry it droped a word thear.)

NEC (#3)

Grayee and Howlermokey I know I have differences with you guys in the past, can I count on your support for the NEC.


Wiseman

Re: NEC (#6)

Hi Wiseman

While I naturally warm toward Labourhome trade unionists, I need to see who else is standing and consult (informally) with UNISON Labour link comrades.  Good luck in any case.

Re: NEC (#7)

Dear grayee

Have a word with the North West link officer Bill Berry, he was the North West Regional Board with me.

John Wiseman

Re: NEC (#8)

A.B.W.

Re: NEC (#10)

Dear Howler

What is this abbreviation mean?

Thanks

John

Re: "Safer to be feared than loved" (#4)

It is a shocking indictment of our educational system that so few people have read this and similar classics. As someone said, they are classic because they are good! Obviously books for their time, but that articulate key ideas. And while many classics do take some wading through, most of the key works of political philosophy are actually quite short. You can actually read one in an evening. When I was in the US people were shocked these were not standard reading at high school. America is built on Locke and Smith people would say (admittedly who were studying politics – though not necessarily specialising in it), how come people in the country where they were written don’t even know about them? A US professor I met once said: “the British university system wastes lives” because of its obsession with specialisation.

When I read about ‘citizenship’ being introduced into the school curriculum I thought great, this shortcoming will now be fixed, but from what I understand, that is not what citizenship has turned out to be.

Anyway, a quick list of what other I would call must reads (courtesy of the interweb no need even to get to a library or bookshop) are:

Plato: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html

Locke:  http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm

Mill http://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/one.html

Kant (this is not such an easy read – putting it mildly – but I would say the one with most contemporary relevance): http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/ikfpm10.txt



Re: "Safer to be feared than loved" (#5)

I do agree, but would put Hobbes and Rosseau above Locke and Mill. More recently, I think the  debate between Rawls and Nozick is important.

Re: "Safer to be feared than loved" (#11)

I always thought Cohen had a better reply to Nozick.

Books worth a look (#9)

Also try: The Journey to the west, by Wo Cheng en.
and The war of the flea, Robart Tabar