Does the left have a future?

The retirement of some left wing Labour MPs and the possible deselection of another in Liverpool West Derby, the invasion of Iraq, the decision to replace Trident, the failure even to get McDonnell on the ballot paper and various other issues cause me to pause and ask, is there a future for the left in the Labour Party?

Traditionally the party has been a coalition between some fairly right wing types (I'm thinking of characters like the late John Golding here), social democrats of the Tony Crossland / Roy Hattersley variety, 'soft left' opinion personified by Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot in his later days, and socialists or 'hard left' figures in the Tony Benn / John McDonnell mode. And for most of its life the party has muddled along well enough with these forces in some kind of balance with the occasional takeover bid by the left (e.g. the Benn deputy leadership challenge) usually being repulsed. Now, I don't want to paint a picture of an idyllic past here where all was sweetness and harmony, because it just wasn't; but generally speaking, anyone within the Heinz variety of social democratic / socialist opinion would naturally see themselves as drawn to the Labour Party and would join it if they were interested enough to participate. The parliamentary party would also be a coalition of these interests with Tribune and the Solidarity Campaign representing the different wings.

I think that's changed. I think we have a situation now where the centre right of the party no longer sees socialists as legitimate party members, and certainly doesn't want any socialists in the PLP.

The profile of members has changed too. In party meetings you can hear opinions routinely voiced on ID cards and the role of the private sector in the provision of public services for example that twenty years ago would have been received by the meeting with shock - not by a hard core of Militant members, but by the majority of ordinary party members. We've also lost our sense of evangelism. We used to want to change the world. We used to want to change it whether we were on the right of the party or the left, but we wanted to build a better tomorrow; we believed, all of us, in a more equal society. We would put our case to the public and argue and seek to persuade people of the merits of our case. Now, the obsession is on finding out what the people want and giving it to them. Or,rather, we want to find out what people in influential organisations say they want. The ordinary man and woman in the street has become even more marginalised. Think about the idiocy that is 'double devolution' of powers to local government, for example. Where's the protection for the unorganised, the inarticulate, the powerless; the people we exist to represent?

On policy, too, we have moved so far to the right as to be unrecognisable. What we marched against when the Tories were in power we now do ourselves, and do it gladly. ID cards, Trident, Academies, PFI, privatisation - all Tory ideas we all once hated, whichever wing of the party we were on. Now, support for these ideas is worn by some comrades almost as a badge of honour, a sign they have 'modernised.'

I know we were a mess in the '80s and we had to change. I supported Kinnock and accepted Blair's election as leader as necessary even though I didn't vote for him myself. I went along with the Clause IV change because I thought there was enough in what we were proposing to make a real positive difference and I didn't want to fight over history. I thought a Labour government would do good and didn't want to harm the chances of getting one elected having lived and suffered through that woman's reign.

And the 1997 -2001 government was good, and I say that as a member of the left of the party. It did good things that it can be proud of. Literacy and Numeracy hours in schools, class size reductions, hospital waiting lists, devolution, Human Rights Act, minimum wage, these are all wonderful achievements. The problem is, these are still the ones we claim credit for. What have we done since 2001 to be proud of? Since when was support for faith schools or academies something to cheer? Why have we gone so far to the right that what was once 'our issue' of civil liberties is now the preserve of the Liberal and Tory parties? Why are we going for compulsory ID cards? Why are we going for Trident replacement and a new generation of nuclear power? Why, when left and centre left solutions are required to combat climate change are we building roads and runways? Why, when we claimed we wanted to be at the heart of Europe did we abandon Europe and side with the Americans on Iraq? Who was right, Uncle Sam or Joska Fischer and Jacques Chirac?

I know that on each individual issue a case can be made. But for me, the basket of things we have done since 2001 makes this government one of the most reactionary, certainly in my lifetime.

Is there hope for the left? We are losing MPs and the PLP is becoming more homogenous. The proposals for reform to party conference seem to treat the party in the country as the enemy. Membership seems to be valued by the leadership only in as much as it provides funds. Policy making within the party proceedes along carefully framed lines of debate that almost determine the final outcome. Councils are being stripped of power and seeing it transferred to unaccountable unelected bodies or 'stakeholders', or 'partners' in the lingo of the new governance.

Thousands of good comrades have left the party since 1997 and left the left even weaker. I no more want the party to be a socialist sect, than I want it to be the right wing party it has become. I want a return to balance between left and right, where socialists and social democrats can meet, disagree, but at least treat each other with respect and as legitimate members of the one party. Can we have that again, or will the present trend toward treating the left either with contempt, or just ignoring it continue? Is there a future for the left in the Labour Party?

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Re: Does the left have a future? (#1)

I call myself a left-winger, and I hold fairly Bennite views- so surely Labour should no longer appeal to me? Yet I joined in 2006 at the age of 18. The left will always have a presence in the Labour Party, and continues to do so despite all that's happenedin the past 20-years or so. So yes, I do think the left has a future.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#2)

What an excellent  post. Brown's latest colaition Govt pronouncements  are utterly beyond the pale and am so angry can't be coherent about it yet.Patrick mercer advising the Govt. !!!  A racist raight-winger. Not what I joined the Party for....
You are  spot-on with all you say but i still hope the left can revive - it's  not about campaign group any more   nor Westminster alone -  it's about reaching  out and  recruiting as many socialists as we can and then seeing where we go from there. I know comrades in the LRC are working really hard to re-launch the left. See 
www.l-r-c.org.uk

and of course John McDonnell's blog  www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk.  Good luck!

Re: Does the left have a future? (#3)

Interesting post Radford Mann.


I'm probably on the right of the party, but I have no problem with those further to the left being in Labour. However, I'd be lying if I said I'm comfortable with the idea of far-left MP's sitting in the Cabinet. It's not that I resent them in any way, many of them are good people with principled views - but I don't feel they are compatible with what the British people actually want from a government and will make it harder for us to get re-elected. Those are just my views though.


You write about how "In party meetings you can hear opinions routinely voiced on ID cards and the role of the private sector in the provision of public services for example that twenty years ago would have been received by the meeting with shock - not by a hard core of Militant members, but by the majority of ordinary party members." From my point of view, it can often be frustrating when those from the right of the party make perfectly moderate views (perhaps, in line with what our own govt. is saying) and yet get treated with disdain as though they've committed treason. An example of this was from the other night with 'Newsnight''s comments on the prison guard strikes thread. Both sides need to listen to each other more and accept each other's views. The Labour party has changed a lot in the past 20 years, so it shouldn't seem so surprising that more moderate, 'centre-ground' policies are supported by ordinary members these days.


"We've also lost our sense of evangelism. We used to want to change the world. We used to want to change it whether we were on the right of the party or the left, but we wanted to build a better tomorrow; we believed, all of us, in a more equal society."


I don't think we've lost that sense at all - I still firmly believe in 'changing the world for the better' and building 'a more equal society'. But you're right in that perhaps some of our leaders seem obsessed with chasing whatever is popular rather than what is right. For instance, it annoyed me when Brown started courting the Daily Mail even though the Mail is a vile piece of trash.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#4)

This is a very good article.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#5)

A very good article. To answer your question whether the left has a future, the answer is yes. Just look at the Cruddas deputy leadership campaign, he stood on some left wing issues, and other issues all party members could relate to including centerist MPs like Tom Watson and Khalid Mahmood, McDonnell on the other hand was (sorry if this causes any offence) an incompetant leadership candidate, he stood on issues that only the bennite left of the party were interested in, therefore he didn't get enough nominations, not because Cruddas didn't support him (rightly so). If the left can come up with a candidate whom everyone can relate to and like and he can put his points forward without calling all the none bennite/mcdonnellite members of the labour party tories or thatcherites then yes, the left has a bright future, It will be interesting to see what happens when and if Brown retires (a bit early I know, the poor man has only been in office for 2 seconds).

Re: Does the left have a future? (#11)

Why is standing for what you believe in 'incompetent'?  Sorry, but that did cause a hell of a lot of offence.  Every time I've ever stood for an election I've told people where I stand (on the 'bennite/mcdonnelite' left) and then people are given a genuine choice and can never feel that they were hoodwinked or misled.  I try and persuade people to my view, but if I fail then it's better that I lose than that I am unrepresentative.

If you can give any evidence of John McDonnell calling those who disagreed with him 'tories or thatcherites' please do: my own recollection of the contest was that he remained resolutely charming despite a good deal of provocation.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#13)

I never said McDonnell did, some of his supporters did, Mikael, me at the time and most recently newsnight, calling me a tory. The fact that people on the far left of the party would nominate people on the right of the party like Hilary Benn is surprising to me, he didn't nominate McDonnell did he, what happened to "issues not personalities"? The childishness of some amazes even me, "just because Cruddas didn't nominate McDonnell I won't vote for him" why didn't McDonnell nominate Cruddas then? Meacher did, he understood he wasn't able to stand for leadership, swallowed his pride and supported a candidate with similar opinions to those of his own and moved on did old Jonny boy do that? I don't think so .McDonnell was incompetant because he didn't even manage to get 12.5% of the PLP to back him, and some lefties like Peter Kilfoyle, Glenda Jackson and Rudi Vis didn't back him. The McDonnellites seem to think that the PLP owes it to the party to nominate McDonnell, wrong, if McDonnell would have stood on issues that concerned at least 12.5% of the PLP he would have won.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#15)

I think your analysis is completely flawed.  Of course there was name-calling (by people on all wings of the party) during the campaign, on sites like this; that has little or nothing to do with the various campaigns.

My reason for voting for Hilary Benn (with a heavy heart) was not because Cruddas didn't nominate McDonnell: I explained at length here and elsewhere my reasons for that and have no intention of going into them again.  Suffice to say I have yet to see any evidence that Cruddas is any more or less left-wing or right-wing than Hilary Benn.

Without wanting to re-energise arguments that ought to be in the past, I think it's probably fairly clear why some people on the left (perhaps including Meacher, though I don't know so) chose to nominate Cruddas while the leadership nominations were still open (several of whom did not vote with their nomination).  I think it's absolutely absurd to talk about McDonnell 'swallowing his pride' to support Cruddas (who we don't know if he voted for or not - Gordon Brown didn't nominate any deputy leadership candidates either) while not criticising the 'lefties' you mention for not 'supporting a candidate with similar opinion to those of their own'.  It is both unfair and irrational.

I do think the PLP owed it to the party to nominate McDonnell.  Full stop.  Whether he could persuade 12.5% to vote for him or not should have been an entirely different matter: the nominations should have been about ensuring there was an election contest and a choice for party and union members.  Brown systematically cut out challengers from left and right, and he shouldn't be let off the hook on that.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#16)

I might add that if at least 12.5% of the PLP were not concerned aobut the issues that McDonnell stood on, then we need a new PLP!!

Re: Does the left have a future? (#17)

If anything, Brown has gone much further to the right than any of us could have imagined. Including, I wager, many in the PLP. It gives me no pleasure at all. But absolutely everything ( and worse)   which John McDonnell warned us of is now happening.
Even I at  my "grimmest " could not have predicted  Brown's cosying up to the Tories and complete disregard for the left-of-centre grassroots. Frankly, I still can't quite believe it myself......

Re: Does the left have a future? (#18)

I've always said that we need to differentiate between the nominations and the actual vote. If more in the PLP had said 'We're nominating McDonnell, not because we agree with his policies, but because the Labour members deserve a leadership contest, and a debate about our party's future', and given McDonnell the 44 nominations and then go on to vote for Brown, I would have no problem. All this nonsence about 'We shouldn't have a contest, just for the sake of having a contest'.

If we are a democratic socilaist party we need to start acting like one.
 
This means that many on the left have to start criticising Cuba and Venezuela etc. for their anti-democratic policies, but also that the right, if they want to criticise Islamists, need to start with other Islamist nations like Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc. We need to take a hard line on Burma and Belarus and Zimbabwe etc.

It also means we have to re-engage with our core vote, and introduce more egalitarian policies. We need to uphold civil liberties. We need workplaces to be more unionised, so that the workplaes are co-operative. We need to make sure healthcare, education, transport etc. is either low-cost or free for all.

There is bitter warfare between both sides, making peace would be a sign of maturity

Re: Does the left have a future? (#19)


I don't really think there is a bitter warfare between left and right in the party.  I sometimes think perhaps there should be, from a democratic point of view, because there is simply not enough choice in internal elections because far too often there isn't a left challenge (for a variety of reasons) or only 'insiders' know the politics of candidates because everyone's being 'mature' and non-divisive.

If we're to be a vital, democratic party then, rather than uniting around the programme you suggest (much of which I agree with, some of which I don't) - we should be absolutely open and honest in our disagreements, with proper contested elections, so that party members can make informed decisions.  Democracy is not about papering over the cracks.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#20)

a very good and noted point, perhaps the making peace, should be about acknowledging each other's views instead of , 'socialism's dead', and 'Brown's a tory'. I perhaps retract my statements on foreign policy. I don't think that we should level non-democratic counties, by saying we need to take a 'hard line', but we need to be more critical of these nations. 

Re: Does the left have a future? (#12)


I might add that Cruddas may or may not have been a good candidate (he didn't manage to get my vote) but a) a minority of his supporters managed to spread a good deal of ill will (and lose the votes of several people who may have been enthusiastic supporters under different circumstances); and b) by managing to walk the tight-wire you admire, he raised doubts in people's minds on left and right as to what he really believed in (hence you could have people as polarised as me and Luke Akehurst both praise some of Cruddas' ideas and approaches but both end up being somewhere between unconvinced and hostile).  I think the 'centre-left' has a lot of work to do to try and carve a role out for itself in the Brown era.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#6)

Them situation as I see it is as follows:


We still have a strong left wing in the rank n file.  Party members and trade unionists are of a radical persuasion.  This can be seen by the resolutions passed at conference - support for council housing, return to secondary action, public ownership of the railways, linking pensions with earnings etc.

It can also be seen in the NEC elections with the left winning most seats, was seen in opinion polls after McDonnell finally got some publicity at the time of the nominations for leader where he rose from under 10% to 20% for party members and 26% for trade unionists and also seen in the support for Cruddas in the Deputy Leadership contest.


However, the problem is the MP's.  With probably over half of them on the payroll - Cabinet members, junior ministers, PPS's and aides or aspiring to be on the payroll it doesn't leave many left.  The shameful refusal to nominate McDonnell illustrates this.  However, I cannot see how this can be resolved....  The grassroot membership and trade union affiliates and MP's are like two different parties. 


The only way forward perhaps is for a leader from the MP section to emerge from the left or be converted to it.



Re: Does the left have a future? (#8)

I thought we'd put this to bed!

The 10%, 20%, 26% figures are extremely misleading.

The 10% figure was, if I remember correctly, from a poll which ask whether party members favoured McDonnell, Meacher or Brown. The 20% and 26% figures were, if I remember correctly, from a polls which forced people to choose either McDonnell or Brown. Therefore the increase was not a 'bounce' for McDonnell, but rather the result of people who favoured Meacher in the previous poll being forced in the second poll to choose between Brown or McDonnell.

The example I used at the time was of a poll coming out of a Thursday asked people whether they favour Labour, the Tories or the Lib Dems and getting the results Lab: 40, Tory 40, Lib 20. Then running another poll on the Friday that asks people whether they favour Labour or the Tories (with no option to answer Lib Dem) and getting the results Labour 55, Tory 45. In this example, Labour have not become more popular overnight to the tune of 15% of the electorate - the 'bounce' is merely a reflection of different polling models.

Sorry for the rant - I just think that we should be serious about evidence when discussing the future of the party. 

Re: Does the left have a future? (#9)

Good point, JM. Too many people, especially journalists who must have failed their quantitative methods modules at university, take the raw data figures at face value. What's also shocking is the bad wording of so many questions in opinion polls and what they tacitly assume. Many opinion polls are obviously generated to deliver a particular answer and word their questions accordingly e.g. 'From the list below which statement comes closest to your view?
a) Fox hunting is an acceptable passtime for country people and part of our history.
b) Country people are all straw chewing yokels who deserve to be unemployed as they eat foxes alive in rituals with their hounds.'

An extreme example which I've just made up, but you can find examples in real polls that are not too far removed from this and reported seriously in the media as indicating public support for X or Y.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#14)

Yes, well said JM.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#7)

"I think that's changed. I think we have a situation now where the centre right of the party no longer sees socialists as legitimate party members" Indeed. There's thousands of socialists and social democrats up and down this country who are no longer active politically, because the New Labour junta make them feel unwelcome in the Labour party, and the UK political system gives them no viable alternative left-of-Labour (yet not extreme) organization they feel worth expending their energies. Back to the unwelcome part: few years ago, a then-MP, Julia Drown, visited my local party, and I was so furious and alienated with the patronising, right-leaning rhetoric she spewed out that evening, I almost quit the party the following morning.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#22)

We need to get those 'socialists and social democrats' back into the Party.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#10)

Totally wrong regarding the polls.  McDonnell was around the 6% to 10% mark in both parts of the college when Meacher was in the contest.  Meacher was slightly below this.  For McDonnell to get all of this support from Meacher and some from Brown is a heck of an achievement. 


Contrast this with the Kinnock/Benn contest of 1988 when Benn got around 10%.  Having over a between a quarter and a third in one section when you are an unknown quantity DOES expose the despondancy, dissatisfaction and disillusionment out there. 


Still, its all history now and we'll never know.  However, at least a debate should have happened.  It is still shameful that this was not allowed.  Either we are controlled by New Labour thought police or we are allowed to think for ourselves.

Re: Does the left have a future? (#21)

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Re: Does the left have a future? (#23)

If this is a real attempt to give an home to the oppositionists, nay sayers and unreconstructed outside of the Labour Party it has my best wishes...I would never join it if it was the last left leaning political party in the world, but I would love the division that is inevitable to come as soon as and free the Labour Party from the anchor parts of the present membership have become.