Private schools and the price of privilege

I wrote the piece below for the Guardian's CiF. It has enraged many readers which makes me think that it must have hit a very raw nerve!


According to a new report some public schools are at risk of going out of business because they are, in effect, pricing themselves out of the market. Is such news something that those that espouse progressive politics should rejoice at? After all the sad truth is that in the last 10 years the number of parents choosing to send their children to private school and not to the local - and probably excellent - comprehensive, has increased. Does this matter? In my view it should matter greatly and particularly to those who wish to see increased levels of social mobility. 

It does not seem to have mattered that that the fees for many private schools, which were the subject of an inquiry in 2005 by the Office of Fair Trading for potential collusion, have risen exponentially. Why? Because in the pursuit of privilege many well off (and not so well off) parents will do whatever it takes to ensure that their child starts the race to achieve success and prosperity further down the track than other children.

In fairness it is not unreasonable that any parent should want their child to do as well at school and in life as they have done themselves, often they want them to do better. In a free society if some parents choose to secure advantage and privilege by sending their children to elite schools there is little the state can do about it.

There are though, clear consequences for social mobility that many "left leaning" (and possibly Guardian reading) parents often choose to ignore. British public schools have always been a production line for the class system. They employ some of the best-qualified teachers, with as many as two-thirds educated in the top 20 British universities. They can - and do - raise their fees steadily, they select their pupils, have a growing endowment income from their benefactors and some of the most impressive sporting and extra-curricular activities.

What's more they now recruit from a middle-class obsessed by perceived educational and social advantage. Parents who are willing to take the bold decision to become part of the problem, rather than seeking to be part of the solution. I often hear some of my friends and "comrades" attempting to ease their conscience by announcing that the local comprehensive school is simply not good enough and justify their decision to go private in the name of parental responsibility.
It is also the case that because so many of these parents work in the media (or are in government) there is little political mileage in calling for the reform of private schools and more equal access to universities.

Those who do have influence, those who have a "voice" in our society have such a high stake in the current order they will seek to mobilise and organise in order protect it. For the sad truth is that when middle-class parents abandon the state sector in favour of the private, it is conservative and not progressive politics that triumphs. So if one or two private schools do end up closing then I for one will not be shedding too many tears.





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Re: Private schools (#1)

I have a confession to make. I sent my sons to a private secondary school. They went to an inner city primary where an inspirational Head who refused to accept poverty as grounds for educational failure ensured a good education for all. She was helped by first term Labour Government measures such as the literacy and numeracy hours, without a doubt the best thing David Blunkett did for the government.

However, second term Labour government went for secondary schools and the word was 'choice.' Choice of anything but a good comprehensive, that is. In my part of Nottingham which had already suffered from years of underinvestment in schools there were no good choices. There was a rubbish City Technology College, you know, the sort we used to be against, a Catholic School which was massively oversubscribed and ONLY took Catholics (not that I would subject my children to the teachings of that faith anyhow), or a C of E school that again, I didn't want to choose because I don't adhere to that faith. There was a comprehensive school which has subsequently closed. However, its 'library' consisted of four shelves of books and its pass rate at GCSE was of the order of 8%. That's not an an education for anyone, that's child abuse.

Obviously we did apply to the good comprehensive outside the catchment area but of course that was hopelessly oversubscribed too. The local private school was thus the best choice for our kids and, being poor, was affordable. We got a bit of stick of course from comrades but the long and the short of it was that we couldn't afford to buy a state education in Nottingham by buying a house in the catchment area for the one good comprehensive school in the city. And frankly, I got a bit tired of folk who could afford that, plus relatives who lived in different parts of the country with good comprehensives, giving us grief about it.

In most parts of the country a comprehensive education is readily available. In cities, however, the middle classes have bought a good state education by relying on catchment areas (so you have to be wealthy enough to afford a house in the right area) or by other forms of social selection such as faith. I think we need to seriously address admissions policies for secondary schools and consider moving to a lottery system to try and ensure that schools are socially mixed. Regrettably, too many schools in cities have been allowed to become dumping grounds for the socially excluded and the feckless.

A couple more points: Faith schools must be abolished. Why should faith be privileged in gaining admission to secondary school? Secondly, I do support removing charitable status from private schools. So, Mike, yes I am massively in favour of social mobility. However, the secondary education policies of our government serve only to maintain middle class privilege and to condemn working class children to a sub standard education.

Re: Private schools (#2)

It always makes me chuckle to see how many of the most ardent socialists end up taking their kids to private schools!

It's like Diane Abbott all over again!

I don't agree with faith schools, but in all honesty, I'd have to say that private schools worry me more. The idea of schools where the wealthy elite send their kids to get away from the hoarding masses is not particularly desirable.

If Labour members are prepared to tolerate private schools (and indeed send their own children there) then I'm afraid it's very hypocritical of them to argue that faith schools and grammar schools should be 'abolished'. Private schools do more damage than faith schools or grammar schools ever could.

Re: Private schools (#4)

Yep, you're quite right about the hypocricy thing in so far as I made a choice that diverged from my principles, but where I live in Nottingham there isn't a principled choice. I wish there were.


However, I'm not 'the wealthy elite', far from it. If I were wealthy I would have bought a house in the expensive (in the context of Nottingham that is) part of the city in the catchment area of the one good comprehensive and basked in righteous satisfaction at having made the principled choice. It was the very fact of being poor that offered a way in to the private sector.

Also, it's not hypocritical to argue for the abolition of faith schools, City Academies or Grammar Schools where these schools are paid for by the state. It's perfectly democratic to argue for a particular system of public education. I would never defend private schools as a 'good' (or, indeed, at all) and so I support removing their charitable status. However, abolishing private education in a liberal state poses serious questions about the boundaries between the public and private spheres and the extent to which the state ought to prevent private choices being made by people that cause no harm to others in the Millian sense. You can certainly make a case for abolition, and it's a case with which I am in general sympathy but I'm really not sure that the arguments are quite strong enough. For example, if public funding for faith schools were ended, how reasonable would it be for the state to prevent people whose religious conviction was so strong that they considered that education should be within a particular faith from using their own money to set up and run a private faith school? I'm not sure that I want to go that far down the road of regulating private belief. But it seems to me perfectly reasonable that faith schools shouldn't receive public funding from the majority of people who don't share that particular faith.

Re: Private schools (#5)

I'm sorry but you're argument makes no sense. You just said a mark of a 'liberal state' is allowing people to choose to use the private sector to send their kids to school. When if that's the case, then a mark of a liberal state is also allowing parents to send their kids to school based on faith or intelligence as well as wealth.


What you're basically saying is that if you're lucky enough to have the wealth to send your kids to a private school then you can have choice - you can send your kids to a private grammar school, a private faith school, a private single-sex school etc.

...But if you're poor and have to rely on the state for your education then you're not allowed choice - you should have to go to a comprehensive like it or not.

And this is grossly unfair and hypocritical. The poor should be entitled to the same choice as the rich. The only scenario where faith schools and grammar schools should be abolished is if private schools are abolished too.

The Diane Abbott school of thinking is an embarrassment to Labour where certain people rant on about how terrible grammar schools and faith schools are but are always the first in line to send their kids off to private school so they don't have to mix with the hoi polloi. It's pretty appauling really.

Re: Private schools (#7)

I fear that what you are missing is that it's the wealthy who get to have effective choice in the state sector and the poor do not. I would have loved the same choice as those wealthy enough to live in the nice part of town, I really would. But with catchment areas producing 'gated communities' around the good state schools, for those of us in the poor end of town 'choice' becomes translated (as the nice lady from the LEA put it to me at an appeals hearing), into 'the right to express a preference.' I really think you need to critically examine the claim that choice in secondary education is either 1. a good thing, and 2.in reality available to all and of the same quality.

Also, in respect of the 'Diane Abbott school of thinking', could it not be that if faith schools, grammar schools and academies were abolished that there might be more good schools that more of us to get our kids into?

Finally, in a liberal society, hasn't it always been the case that in the private sphere the wealthy enjoy access to more and better things that are provided privately? For example, I may want to drive a car rather than ride my bike (at least sometimes), but I cannot afford to do so, whereas the wealthy man not only has a choice between car or bike but also from among a wide range of cars. Or bikes for that matter.

Re: Private schools (#8)

I fear that what you are missing is that it's the wealthy who get to have effective choice in the state sector and the poor do not.

I understand the lack of choice that poor students get in the state sector now, but scrapping grammar schools and faith schools is surely eliminating choice even more? I wouldn't be against that except for the fact that you said private schools should be allowed to continue which is effectively saying "choice for the rich, but no choice for the poor" and that's hypocritical.

I really think you need to critically examine the claim that choice in secondary education is either 1. a good thing, and 2.in reality available to all and of the same quality.

I'm not saying that choice is necessarily a good thing and I certainly don't believe it is anywhere near of equal quality at the moment. But what I am saying is that if you scrap grammar schools and faith schools then private schools must be scrapped also. That is only fair. You can't eliminate choice for the poorer families but keep it for the rich.

I still find it disappointing that so many Labour activists and members like Dianne Abbott have the cheek to complain about grammar schools and faith schools and then send their own kids to private schools!

As I said, discriminating education on the basis of wealth and privilege is far, far worse than discriminating on the basis of intelligence. So why does Abbott think it's acceptable to attack grammar schools whilst sending her own kids off to private schools?

It smacks of 'one rule for the elite and one rule for everyone else'.

could it not be that if faith schools, grammar schools and academies were abolished that there might be more good schools that more of us to get our kids into?

No, it would make the situation worse. Getting rid of grammar schools and faith schools would actually send more parents towards private education as they wouldn't be seen dead sending precious Ptolemy to the local comp.

So you'd effectively have greater division and separation between the haves and have-nots than what we have now.

The best way to improve comprehensives would be to actually scrap private schools (not that I'm advocating that) since the best teachers and resources would get shared out among the ordinary population rather than across a few wealthy elites.

Re: Private schools (#29)

You're missing the point NM - the most damage is actually done by schools where pupils go in fear for there life, where they aren't even taught basic English and by an education system that condemns them to the scrap heap at 18.
Yes the most damage is done to our children by the education establishment and the bog standard comprehensives they foist on everyone without the means to pay for a decent education.

Re: Private schools (#32)

All schools teach English so let's not exaggerate. Comprehensives improve when more money gets spent on them so thank goodness we have a Labour government which spends a good amount on our children's future.


Maybe if we scrapped private schools, we'd allow poorer children access to the excellent facilities and teachers that those schools provide.

Re: Private schools (#33)

You're absolutely right all schools do teach English, but unfortunately the quality of this 'teaching' still manages to produce thousands of university applicants who are barely literate and need subsequent remedial English courses.  

Re: Private schools (#3)

Radford Mann

I understand your dilemma. However I do feel that all too often the real reasons why many left-leaning parents end up sending their sons and daughters to fee-paying schools and not the local comprehensive are not based on the raw results of the local state schools but on a desire to ensure that their child has access to what the local comprehensive cannot provide – privilege, advantage and the opportunity to network. This may not be true in your case but I really do believe that such actions are a classic example of talking left but acting 'right'

Re: Private schools (#6)

Exactly Mike - you've hit the nail on the head. It's a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#9)

I go to a private school. Incidentally Mark Fisher also went to Eton, but let's just leave it at that...
Now, I know you may think I'm 'Tory Scum' for doing so, but it's because I have a learning disorder ( I hate that word, 'disorder', I'm perfectly 'ordered' thank you). Tory council, and incidentally a Labour council, think a school voucher is the best option for me. Labour need to dramatically increase SEN education funding, if councils are going to stop shipping people like me of to private schools.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#10)

Personally, I've never had a problem with people sending their kids to private education. It's always been an unfortunate fact that the wealthier in society have had more options open to them  due to their wealth. Education is no exception, the problem is that the only way we can possibly stop this situation would be to ban private education altogether. Personally, I'm very uncomfortable about the idea.

Support of the Labour party implies support of increased spending on education and therefore support of the increased tax burden this entails. Everyone pays for state education whether they use it or not, also, improved state education narrows the gap and reduces advantages gained from a private education.

I think the key belief here has to be a belief in good quality education for all, and I don't think that belief is compromised by sending your children to a private school.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#11)

I have just finished my A Levels after going to private school for eight years. I will be going to university in October. When I was younger I went to a fantastic state primary school, but when we moved to another part of the country my parents decided that I would get the best education from the local private school.

Did I enjoy my time there? Yes, I loved it, and I have no problem with admitting that. Do I think I did better there than I could have done at my local (and to be honest not brilliant) comprehensive? Obviously I cannot know for certain, but I am fairly sure that the answer is yes.

I regard myself as a social democrat. I believe in social justice, equality and democracy, and I believe that one of the most important purposes of capitalism should be to provide the government with the means (i.e. tax revenue) to help people who are poorer/disadvantaged. 

I do not believe that having had a private education makes me unfit to be on the left. Nor does it mean that I cannot fully support state education. I can and do. I had a fantastic education and I will make no apologies about that. I want every child in the UK to be able to enjoy school as much as I did and to have as good an education as I did. This can only be delivered through the state sector. Is there anything wrong or unprincipled about wanting standards in state schools to be as high as those in private schools? I do not think so.

On the subject of grammar and faith schools; I oppose neither. I recognise the arguments against both, but I do not believe that this means they should be abolished. I would like to say two things on this point. Firstly, children are not all the same. I believe that all children are equal, but they are NOT the same. Some children are naturally better at academic education; some at vocational decuation. In my opinion all children should be given equal educational opportunities, but not necessarily the same educational opportunities. That does not make me a Tory. It is realism, not conservatism. Secondly, I do not believe that decisions about private/grammar/faith schools are ones that the government should make. Leave it to local councils to best determine the needs of their local areas.

One final point: I have no argument with people who oppose private school on principle. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. In this post I have put forward my own opinions, which may well be different to the opinions of many bloggers on this site. But that is life, and that is politics. If everyone agreed on everything life (and politics) would be extremely boring!

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#12)

According to a YouGov/Fabian poll, the public seem to support limiting private education:

  • only 29 per cent of people believe parents should have the right to send their children to fee-paying schools
  • 53% felt independent schools should be stripped of their charitable status
  • 49% agreed that VAT should be added to school fees, with the extra revenue used to help schools in disadvantaged communities
  • even among Conservative voters, just 51 per cent of those polled were in favour of private education

Certainly seems time to remove charitable status to schools that just offer an elitist education. That would remove council tax relief, providing extra funding for maintained schools.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#13)

Yes I agree, charitable status should be removed unless the school can prove beyond doubt that it's facilities are of enormous benefit to the community at large.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#30)

Yes I agree too remove their charitable status and they wouldn't feel obliged to offer bursaries to the poor - that would save them a lot more money and they could ignore the govt completely.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#31)

Hmm, how amusing.

No, they should remove charitable status AND force private schools to accept a certain percentage of students as scholarships.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#34)

The only real solution to all this is to provide every parent with a voucher to spend wherever they like - that would bring all schools up to the excellent standard of the private sector very quickly.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#25)

Have mixed feeling about faith schools, many of which (in the private sector) already operate on a shoestring.  Not comfortable removing that element of choice from education entirely.  If diversity means anything, it means respect for the views of peaceful law-abiding communities, whether we share those views or not. 

However, I've no qualms whatsoever about stripping charitable status from, and levying VAT upon, non-faith private schools generally. Sooner the better.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#14)

I really don’t get the Left’s persistent opposition to faith and private schools. I intend to send my children to the former, certainly not the latter, but who knows what educational circumstances I may find myself in when that time comes. 

I believe in parental choice.  I wouldn’t force parents to send their children to a denominational school, but why do so many on the left want to deny me my choice?  You don’t support faith schools so they should be abolished.  Seems a pretty totalitarian response to me.

Over one third of private pupils receive some form of financial assistance to meet their fees; 25% of pupils receive that assistance direct from the school itself.  A great chunk of private pupils are drawn from modest but aspirant backgrounds.  We’ve transformed primary education but failed to make anywhere near enough progress in the secondary sector.  Is it any wonder that so many parents seek a good education for their kids in the private sector? Without the financial means to up sticks and move into the right catchment area they put themselves through real hardship to send their kids to private schools.  Removal of charitable status (interesting that only one poster linked removal to the ability or otherwise to demonstrate charitable activity: the rest proposed it as an act of sabotage or spite) will disproportionately affect lower income families as these bursaries will be removed to meet the shortfall.

And assuming we abolished private education where would the 600,000 private school pupils be educated? They might only be 7% of the general school population but they make up a quarter of all sixth formers

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#15)

...so you do you agree that grammar schools should be kept as well if the local community wants to keep them?

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#16)

Yes.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#17)

That's because both of you are selfish.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#18)

...so selfish that we acutally want to give people a choice. As opposed to forcing everyone to do the same.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#19)

Choice implies all have it, selection is where the majority don't get what they are entitled to...a fair standard of education...and for someone claiming to understand egalitarism and fairness your last comment is the most bizarre yet.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#20)

Your definition of 'choice' is not only wrong, but contradictory. Choice means some have one thing, some have another - it's whatever individuals and families want.

You've failed to explain why everyone going to identical schools would raise standards.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#21)

As a labour person i shouldn't have to explain this to another, as a supporter of tyhe maintainance of Grammar schools it is for you to justify differential, for you to justify the arbutary age of 11 as a division, you to justify the resource divisons, for you to justify the expectation differences, for you to justify the unfairness, life ruining, elitist attitude. Most of all it is for you to justify your support of Grammar schools in the context of Labour Home, remember this thread is about privilage and education, not the fig-leaf of political pragmatism you and "Just Labour" failed to make a case for on the other thread.

I can't for the life of me understand how any wing of our party would support Grammar schools (and as I have indictaed elsewhere its difficult to be more moderniser than i am) and in the absence of any criteria based on improving education for the many and not just the few of Kent and Kingston your position on this subject remains untenable with your claimed beliefs and inconsistant with the needs of children.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#22)

You're no moderniser - you're an authoritarian as you've proved on another thread.

You need to get over yourself. You've put up no decent argument whatsoever for your case, just insults. Try and debate intelligently rather than dismissing every view that contradicts your own.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#23)

Very poor reposte NM, after best part of 30 years listening to likes of you turn to personal every time ill-informed polemics are torn to shreads its water off a ducks back to me. Happy to admit that I find your pomposity, self-appointed guardian of "decent arguments", frustrated school teacher routine a bore (but if i'd walk away from discussion every time someone was a bore nothing would ever have changed) but TBF totally consistant with the nature of the views you postulate. As long been my expereince that board church tends to also mean broad personality range also, what it should never mean is the inclusion of those with elitist class selfishness.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#24)

Elitist class selfishness? I come from a working class background, I'll have you know. And I'm afraid it's you who turned to personal insults. So far you've inaccurately insulted me on my age, class, beliefs and values. Learn to accept other people's opinions and debate sensibly rather than insulting.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#26)

I've just read this blog, and think we must accept that money can often buy a better education.  What I would like to see is that money going to help education for all and improving social mobility.  I have a plan............... Why don't we start charging for say 20% of state school places, and use this money to improve state education as a whole.  There are many parents spending 10k a year to a private school as they did not get in to the local comp.  Why doesn't the state take some of that and let them in to a good schhol.

Furhermore I think this would improve social mobility.  I would also make it compulsory that private schools need to take a % of state educated children - where they would receive the same fee as a state school gets.  Increasing social mobility further.
  

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#27)

Money can buy a better education, but if only targeted at those under achieving, and targeted before others suffer. 

Mike Ion says matter of factly that private schools select.  This is not true.  Some have entrance exams, and some do not, for some the only criteria is money to pay the fees. 

There are perceptions and there are realities based on evidence.  There is a different between faith schools and grammar schools, grammar schools add-value to their intake and faith schools tend not to - they might add faith I guess.  Grammar schools do better because (like private schools) the children from wealthier families tend to have the highest educational attainment (and thus tend to pass the entrance exam).  That is not to say that poor people are stupid - it's about a variety of societal and family factors that if ignored leads to a big gap.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#28)

we seem to have hit a discussion of 'choice' and what's libertarian and totalitarian and what's not. A libertarian may argue that a bar owner in Selma, Alabama 1964, may have his rights infringed upon if he doesn't get to decide who comes in his bar or not. I would argue that denying certain people a right to enter the bar is an infringement of their rights.

There was a point to that little civil rights monologue, and here it is. We need liberties for a group of people, not the individual. While some may think aboloshing faith schools is a violation of 'choice', I would argue that faith schools have a very narrow interpretation of who they 'choose'. I know a very intelligent girl, who's friend automatically got into a catholic school, because she was catholic, but the girl had to take an exam. Is that a fair 'choice'?

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#35)

I don't understand why the Labour party has such a problem with schools that select their pupils, whether by faith, aptitude, money or anything else for that matter.
In all walks of life institutions set barriers to entry in order to maintain standards and to ensure that like minded individuals can associate with others of the same kind.
If you 'choose' to send your child to a catholic school it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable, to me, that both you and the child should also be required to be catholics.
In the same way I may choose to be a brain surgeon but might find the initial interview a bit challenging because I have no experience or aptitude.
Life ain't fair and never was - get over it and move on.
Maybe the reason there is such resistance to selection is the realisation that this would really expose the inadequacies of the current teaching establishment.

Re: Private schools and the price of privilege (#36)

Well, I'm not sure what to think really. In one way I think it's better to keep the kids in the public schools since that will give the public schools bigger possibilities to improve and more power in the society.

On the other hand I understand why parents send their kids to private schools since many of the publics schools are really bad nowadays, and of course as a parent you want the very best for your kids.