General election dates: Open thread

On the date of the general election, much depends on the character of the Prime Minister. Is he really as cautious as we think he is? However, it's certain that his team will be updating him regularly on the pros and cons of various general election dates. My analysis is below - please post your thoughts.

The Deadline.
July 2010 is the last opportunity to have a general election. From Brown's perspective, that's enough time to make some changes that impact on people's lives - it's enough time for us to get out of Iraq - it's perhaps enough time for a rapproachement with the disaffected left. A snap general election - even if a win is all but guaranteed - means to him being PM for maybe five years rather than eight.

The Polls.
Yes we're doing well but are we doing well enough? The question is not how far ahead we are but how resilient is our lead? Six weeks of heavy campaigning can dent those polls. Need I remind anyone of 1992? So when the PM has until July 2010, he can afford to wait for another good period if this poll lead dissapates.

The Tories.
In favour of an early election is the Tory financial position. They are willing to spend up to £50,000 in each of their target constituencies before the election is even called. An early election means they won't be able to target that money due to election expenses limits. Also, even if they are performing badly against us, they're doing well against the LibDems and would be likely to pick up seats anyway. The new boundaries also favour them, reducing Labour's notional seat tally by about 13.

David Cameron.
The longer Labour is ahead, the weaker Cameron gets. If there is a leadership challenge, there is a danger that the new leader is more popular than "Dave". The ideal time would be when David's losing control of his party but before a leadership election. It would be seen as a bit mean and opportunistic to call an election if the Tories were in the process of picking a leader and they could steal the timetable for a while by announcing a long leadership campaign as Michael Howard did. Look out for the media describing Cameron as "Beleaguered Tory Leader".

Logistics.
It's true, we don't have a lot of candidates in place - and though unwinnables may be relieved not to go through the entire process when they are expecting to get only two or three applicants anyway, do the regional parties really have the capacity to administer large numbers of emergency selections at short notice? Labour is also planning to roll out new elections software in time for the London Elections in 2008 to replace Labour.Contact. Might this software be effective enough to win seats - an accolade attributed to Ian Mikardo's Reading Pads?

Policy.
The Comprehensive Spending Review is due to be published shortly after the recess and Gordon's team have been working on it for years now - it should contain some exciting proposals that could extend our poll lead further. The CSR is effectively our manifesto anyway for any election called in the next 18 months to two years. The Queens Speech on the other hand - the programme for the coming year - would be harder to use as an election springboard.Having the QS, the Christmas Address and another QS (same as the last) in quick succession would be just a bit weird. After the CSR is published, it's hard for innovative policies to appear in the manifesto because they look poorly thought out if they were not thought of or sufficiently researched to be in the CSR.

The Mandate.
Tories have been calling for Gordon to have a general election on the basis of having no mandate. Of course they're silly, though if they want a presidential republic, I'd be happy to discuss it. However, the sentiment is not without some public support. My opinion is that Gordon can go to the polls wanting a new mandate as late as spring or summer 2008 - but after that people would be justified in wondering why he needs a new mandate if the existing one has been good enough for more than a year.

Libdems.
Meh.

My Hot Dates.

November 2007.
Conference energises party. House returns. CSR published. Three days of debate on it and lots of "helpful" media briefings on the detail. Election called when public reaction guaged.

February 2008.
PM calls election immediately after the Christmas recess, taking advantage of the post Christmas positivity.

April 2008.
Buggers Boris in London, effectively shortening his campaign time because he'll not want to be seen neglecting Henley, even if it is a "safe" seat. Gambling on a win or even an increased majority, this could mean the party activist base rolls directly from a victory to the London campaign. A new cohort of MPs can also be told that the way to get the PM's attention is to be manic with activity in London - they'll be shipping activists in from all over the country.

May 2008.
Also buggers Boris - because he'll be fighting Henley on the same day. However, given the complicated voting system in London, Election Officers may not be keen on holding London and General elections simultaneously.

June 2008.
Have a look at the London and national local election results. Three days for statistical analysis and an election called if it looks like a win. Didn't Thatcher do that in 1983? Is that what Gordon was chatting to her about?


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Re: General election dates: Open thread (#1)

The Daily Politics is playing famous clips from past conferences.  The other day they showed Jim Callaghan's 'There was I, waiting at the Church' at the 1978 TUC Conference.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/6967366.stm

Thou I was not born at the time, it's often said that if Callaghan had gone to the country in 78 he would have probably won, rather than waiting until 1979.  I do'nt know how much of that is true or just a re-writing of history.

One car'nt help but think that Brown could become Callaghan Mark II.  Unelected Prime Minister, who dithers about when to goto the country.  Personally I think he should go this October.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#2)

June 2009. The first weekend. As I have been saying from the get go. 100 weeks as PM then annihilate both the Tories and the Liberals. Hold if not gain in EU even on reduced seatage. Swamp the BNP with a general election. Kick off a 50-year dynasty of post-Blair social democracy or, we can dream, eventually democratic socialism.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#3)

I was a teenager in '78. There was just a general belief that he would go to the country in October. He had no majority and the polls suggested he would win. One of my memories of the news from that time was of a Labour MP arriving at the House in an ambulance to vote and being carried out of the ambulance on a stretcher with a drip in his arm. The whips were certainly hardcore back then!

The day after the election in May '79 was a warm and pleasant day. As I walked off to the shop on an errand for my mother (teenagers still did stuff like that in the '70s) I remember feeling that everything had changed. So to anyone reading this who was old enough to vote in '79 and who voted Tory - thanks for buggering up the country.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#4)

I voted Labour in '79, as always, so don't blame me.
But are we being bounced into an early election with all these favorable polls and the opposition showing their usual incompetent feeble performance. Alex is probably right in suggesting June 2008 as the most likely date. After the Londoners have gone to the polls, a good outcome for Ken and Labour would be just be what Brown needs to go to the country seeking a fresh mandate for Labour and confidence in him as PM.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#5)

Two elections in two months would be (a) a waste of turnout and (b) a waste of activist time and money. May 2008 (35%) June 2009 (65%).

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#6)

You are probably right. May 2008 with local elections, Mayoral elections and a General Election might boost the turnout. But leaving it till 2009 would be a mistake as speculation would continue to grow and 'events' or 'stuff' happens. Its got to be done within the next year.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#7)

A lot of rubbish is being talked about an early election, non of which shows any understanding of reality. In essence any early election would result in the focus being moved from Cameron's inadequecies towards "stopping the Brown juggernaut", resulting in very little gain.

May 2009, election starts with tories 3 points behind, ends with them just touching 30% of the vote.

Re: General election dates: Open thread (#8)

Oh well.