Presidential Primaries...and the american Left

The consensus seems to be that Clinton and Giuliani have got their parties' nominations in hand. But Obama can win the nomination. Because for the first time since 1960, African-Americans will have a major influence over a presidential election. They will be the key deciders of who gets the Democratic nomination. At the moment, they're split between Clinton and Obama, but leaning towards Hillary. Obama needs to win over this constituency, otherwise Hillary will win the primaries in a landslide. Otherwise, this may happen:

I think John Edwards will win Iowa, Iowa is most often won by the populist candidate.

If Obama plays to his base, he'll win Michigan, because he won Detroit. The frontrunner has lost the first two primaries, she'll win Nevada though.

New Hampshire will be high noon, but I think Obama can sneak a victory here after momentum he has picked up. He'll then win South Carolina, and Clinton will win Florida. Going to 'super-duper Tuesday, I think Obama can have the key momentum.

Now, how many of you would support an American Labour Party? The time may be now where Democratic Socialists USA and Social Democrats USA have to team up with the Progressive caucus of the Democratic Party and Bernie Sanders, to form a 'Labor Party'. If so, what will happen then. Will the Sam Nunn Democrats switch to the Republicans, and then the Michael Bloomberg Republicans switch to the Democrats? When will this time come that the conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans switch parties?

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I'm not sure if black America is ready to accept Obama. As in many ways he is not quite seen as a black American culturally. Unfortunately he does not quite walk the walk or talk and talk of the liberal black caucus.

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I think, respectfully, it is way too premature to say that Giuliani and Clinton will be their party's nominees in 2008.

Polls this week show Giuliani's lead shrinking to both Fred Thompson and John McCain, and I would still not rule out Newt Gingrich getting in the race around Thanksgiving Day; if he was to do this, he would become an immediate frontrunner.

On the Democratic side, Obama does not have the African-American vote locked down; despite earning the endorsements of Oprah Winfrey and California's Black Caucus this weekend, Hillary Clinton secured the endorsement of one of black-America's favourite sportsment, Earvin "Magic" Johnson.  She also has the enorsement of a number of influential black Congress members, including Charles Rangel and John Dingell, both of whom trace their political roots back to marching alongside Martin Luther King.

As for the primaries and caucuses, it is wrong to forget Mitt Romney's strong polling in Iowa and New Hampshire, although if this does not carry through to South Carolina the following week he will be finished.  Clinton will have to do something very badly wrong not to get the nomination of the Democrats at this stage, leading in all the key early States.

The talk of an "American Labor Party" is fanciful; like it or not, America is a two Party state; hence Mike Bloomberg's decision not to run as an Independent this year.  His type of Republican are about as endangered as the Gorilla, and will, eventually, gravitate to the Democrats (as has happened this week in Kentucky).

What 2008 could signal, with Democrat victories in the Presidential and Congressional elections, is a major nail in the coffin of Christian Conservatism, and a return to the more mainstream GOP policies of the 1960's and 70's (pre-Reagan).

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Out of interest, has the opportunity passed for Al Gore to enter as the passion/experience compromise candidate?

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Definitely.

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I still favour a Obama-Edwards or Edwards-Obama Ticket as the progressive ticket. Clinton and Guillianni are yesterdays politicians with nothing new to offer.

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Basically in five months time we'll know who the two candidates are and I really can't see it being anyone else other than Clinton and Giuliani.

With regards to the Republicans, Fred Thompson looks dead already and he's only just started his campaign proper - he should have joined the race in the summer when he had momentum. Romney is a joke and McCain is America's tribute to Ming Campbell.

With regards to the Democrats, Edwards is truly seen as yesterday's man given 2004's disappointing result and is seen as someone who cares way too much about his appearance with his expensive haircuts and what not. Obama tends to give the impression of inexperience and naivety. Now whether that's true or not is another matter, but that's how people see him and I severely doubt he'll win. Clinton however seems self-assured, confident and knows the answer to every question. This can be seen as a negative, but people know that from the minute she walks into the White House, she'll know exactly what to do and she'll take charge. Despite this, she won't seem like 'yesterday's politician' purely because she's a woman and America has never had a female President so she still seems like a novelty. Becoming America's first female President would be a huge achievement.

If Clinton has sense, which she does, then she'll pick Obama for Vice-Presidential candidate. His star quality, fundraising powers and ability to come across as bipartisan and consensual will be enormous assets for her. I think the Clinton-Obama ticket will beat the Giuliani-Thompson ticket, but only just. Expect this race to be as close as 2000.

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To answer alexhilton - no it's not too late for Al Gore to get in the race; around Thanksgiving Day would be the latest for someone who (like Gingrich in my earlier post) could self-fund a campaign.

NorthernMonkey, in my opinion a Clinton/Obama ticket would hand the White House to the Republicans; two Northern Liberal Senators, Washington insiders; if Giuliani was the Republican nominee he would have a field day using that as his attack line.  (It's also not going to happen as there is an obvious personal animosity between Clinton and Obama).  The ideal Clinton ticket would be Clinton/Bill Richardson - the first Hispanic to get on any National ticket, thereby mobilising Hispanic voters who in 2004 started to drift towards Bush, and bringing States such as New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado away from "Lean Republican" and "Safe Republican" into the "Toss-up" category.

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Bill Richardson being on the ticket would be horrendous. Especially after his comment that gay people choose to be gay. He's comes across as an idiot and a bit of a joke in my view.

Clinton and Obama may clash, but so did Bill Clinton and Gore and they served eight years together. I'm sure Clinton will win the nomination and surely she can't turn down Obama's fundraising abilities? He really does have a star quality and taps into the 'MTV vote' more than she ever could. So I can't see how Hillary would turn Obama down for VP.

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I agree with Northern Monkey's analysis; the Republicans are heading for a meltdown because of Iraq. But my fear is that it won't be Hilary leading but hubby pulling the strings. And that is an anathema to me and to many decent Americans.

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NorthernMonkey - it's not a Vice President's policies that matter; if it was George H W Bush would never have chosen Dan Quayle, and John Kerry would be in the White House right now, as John Edwards was a much stronger candidate than Dick Cheney.

What matters for a VP nominee is geography and balance; Richardson would counter any accusations of inexperience levelled against Hillary or Barack (he's a former Congressman, Energy Secretary, UN Ambassador and current two-term State Governor), his ethnicity (as I said the first Latino on a major ticket would be huge), and geography (coming from the South West, one of the most competitive areas in the country).

Richardson is also an excellent campaigner, having produced what was unanimously considered the best advertisement of the 2006 cycle. 

As for his comment on gays, it illustrated the major problem he shares with Barack Obama; they are both excellent when working from a prepared script, but don't think quickly on their feet.  If you look at Richardson's legislative record in the House and as Governor of New Mexico he scores highly on equality issues. 

Ultimately, I would ignore that remark, as even if they were his genuine opinions, which I don't believe they are, it's a heck of a lot better than another neo-con duo in the White House.

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Ultimately, I would ignore that remark, as even if they were his genuine opinions, which I don't believe they are, it's a heck of a lot better than another neo-con duo in the White House.

Well that's not good enough, especially from a Democrat. If when he's 'off-message' he thinks that being gay is a choice then I simply don't trust his judgement. Also, since Dick Cheney has a lesbian daughter, I doubt he even would come out with a remark like that.

I never mentioned Obama's policies at all btw - I agree that policies don't matter for the VP. As I said, Obama has the star quality, the fundraising power and the feeling of being in touch with the American youth and the feeling of being consensual rather than partisan.

Bill Richardson may do well in picking up Hispanic votes, but I can't help thinking he'd be more of a liability than an asset. The media would portray him as a joke. And given that he's polling so poorly in the Democratic nomination (way behind in 4th), he can't be picking up that many Hispanic votes as it is.

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Sorry NorthernMonkey, Obama counts because, apart from being African-American he brings nothing to the ticket; the Republicans would have to do nothing more than point out the fact that the Democrats were running two Northern Liberals, and Obama's total lack of experience.

To say that Clinton/Gore clashed is not entirely accurate; it was only post-Lewinsky that the relationship deteriorated.

Equally, Richardson may not be polling well, but he is raising money beyond what his poll numbers suggest, which means that he has an appeal to those outside the MoveOn.org wing of the Democratic Party.

Whilst Richardson's remarks were wrong, they do not stack-up with his legislative record, and were immediately corrected.  There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they were anything other than someone stumbling over a time-limited, unprepared answer.

As for him being regarded as a joke, that could not be more wrong; indeed he is so respected as a diplomat and for his knowledge of energy policy that Dubya asked him to lead the first negotiations with North Korea over their nuclear facilities - a position he only relinquished to run for the Presidential nomination.