Gordon meets Maggie!



Can't wait to read some of the comments on this one!

Yes, it appears Gordon Brown welcomed Thatcher to 10 Downing Street today. Read the article...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6993269.stm

Is this yet another clever move by Brown to taunt Cameron and prove that Thatcher perhaps prefers him over the leader of her own party?

Or is he going a bit too far?

(PS: I've put this under 'Policy' since for some reason new posts don't appear on the right of the screen anymore).

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Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#1)

A sly move from Brown as it upstages the Tory party policy review today.  I seem to recall Blair did something similar when he became Prime Minister and Thatcher gave him a endorsement.


I guess Brown feels confident that Labour MP's/Members are not going to rebel and he can do as he likes.  No point in anybody complaining, there was a opportunity for a leadership election but many in the Labour party prefered to have the tummy's tickled.


One assumes that it will drive the Tories crazy, most of the general public will shrug their shoulders.  Personally I'd much perfer the Government to actually start making some fundamental policy decisions instead of being in permanent campaign mode.  It's all very well having a so-called 'big tent' but what's the end game?

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#2)

Personally I'd much perfer the Government to actually start making some fundamental policy decisions instead of being in permanent campaign mode.  It's all very well having a so-called 'big tent' but what's the end game?

Yep, I agree. I'm pleased that Brown continues to make Cameron look like a fool - but there does have to come a point when he stops trying to woo the right-wing and comes up with some solid policies.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#6)

This leader in Sunday's Observer summed up for me:

'The phoney war is no substitute for government':
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2165549,00.html

The idea of a upcoming election may impose party discipline but I expect that will be shattered especially when Parliament starts debating anti-terror laws, ID cards and the EU reform treaty.  Also the upcoming comprehensive spending review will impose tight spending limits on departments meaning many MPs will be unhappy.

It's all very well inviting Thatcher around and recruiting Tory MP's/Lib Dem MPs to head task forces.  Not actually sure how it's a vote winner down my local pub?

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#25)

Certainly a cynical publicity to ploy by GB to devert attention from the tories.
I personnally feel exceptionally offended as I am put in a position that as a LP member I have to defend it.
Im sorry but I wont.
Brown has insulted many genuine LP activists with this kind of sh*t. Part of a long list of reasons why Labour support is declining.

The Party needs robust policy decisions to tackle the wealth divide, poverty and exploitation that exists in the UK.
This isnt the way to do it.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#37)

Well it's driving real labour crazy as well my area is still dying because of this cow.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#3)

Ggrrrrrr!!

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#4)

Did you have to put a picture of her on here? It's ok in the guise of the current PM meeting a former PM. What I would strongly disagree with is any endorsement of her policies.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#5)

Disgusting. Insulting.He just lost us thousands of votes  from Labour supporters. Who can blame them.....

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#7)

So the headline will be.....Lady T snubs DC in favour of Tea with GB ..;o)

Brown is a very tactical politician and most labour voters will forgive him if he can wipe the smug look of call me daves chops.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#8)

No .

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#15)

I thought it was a masterful stroke to show how we have overcome the old enemy and that the Tories no longer matter

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#20)

As much as we may despise Lady Thatcher' politics and her record in office, she is still a former head of state of this country.
 

Gordon Brown is the PM. By showing due deference to Mrs T on what was NOT a political event per se, it reinforces the image of him as a sensible and correct personality to occupy the office. Contrasted to Cameron and his ongoing "failure" campaign it certainly makes our GB much more Prime Ministerial, as well as showing what a weak and divided force the Tories are. 

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#22)

"As much as we may despise Lady Thatcher' politics and her record in office, she is still a former head of state of this country."

Well no, Thatcher was a head of government, but never Head of State. The Queen is our Head of State, not the Prime Minister.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#27)

So those endorsing Gordon Brown for being 'Prime Ministerial', will fully approve of David Cameron meeting Angela Merkal and agree it looks 'Prime Ministerial'?

'A tale of two pictures':
http://broganblog.dailymail.co.uk/2007/09/a-tale-of-two-p.html

Let's be honest Gordon Brown just looked as if he was taking advantage for his own ends.  If he wanted to meet Mrs Thatcher he could have done so discreetly, in the same way that John Major did when he was at Number 10 and the same way that Tony Blair did when he was Prime Minister.  If he wanted a private meeting with Mrs Thatcher was their any issue with her taking the back enterence into Downing Street like she did when Blair was their?  Surely one of Brown's many spin doctors could have leaked the story to his favourite paper the Daily Mail.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#18)

"Brown is a very tactical politician and most labour voters will forgive him if he can wipe the smug look of call me daves chops."

But were not told that under Gordon Brown their would be an end to headline chasing an end to spin?  It seems to me it's been increasing endless, this is just another example of it.  I agree it might be good short-term politics.  But the next election will be won if we have delievered value for money in the public services.  On alot of those key public service reform questions Brown's answer is to put things out to 'consultations'.  Is holding a year-long review into the NHS the sign of a reforming Government after 10 years in power?  Is holding citizen juries the sign of a conviction politican?

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#36)

Most Labour voters don't give a flying toss about the fine detail of which politician looks better/ more media-savy/ more shrewd than another on any given day. Such things interest a narrow political/ media crowd, who then imagine that voters think like them.

 

A lot of Labour voters, however, do give a flying toss about Thatcher and the millions of livelihoods she stole.  

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#38)

Put a bet, why should we vote for a party which thinks Thatcher is one of the great PM of our time, I remember what she did to us. and I mean working class people, something like labour is doing to us now.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#9)

Erm, maybe he invited her round to give him a copy of his '89 book: "Where There's Greed, Margaret Thatcher and the Betrayal of Britain's Future."


Dunno what's happened to Gordon lately I thought he was more left of centre than this.


As for posturing, not really very tactical.  So CMD has jettitisioned the Thatcherite baggage, who's Gordon appealing too?  UKIP?



Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#12)

'Dunno what's happened to Gordon lately I thought he was more left of centre than this'

What made you think that?  All the use of PFI/PPP at the Treasury?  Spending £500million on lawyers/consultants to draw up contracts for the PPP deal on the Underground.  All the variouse assest sales at the Treasury?

Brown postioned himself a few degree's to the left of Blair over the last 14 years in order to make sure he was the successor, to make sure he got the support of the Unions and MPs.  That's why it was spun that he opposed sensible policy decisions such as tution fees and foundation hospitals etc.

The idea that Brown would hearld a socialist revoultion was always laughable.  The issue for me is when is Brown actually going to start making tough policy decisions, or is happy to continue in this 'permanent campaign mode'.  The worst mistake Labour made post 1997 was to carry on in election mode rather than get on with governing the country.  At the moment Brown seems to be spending more time on consultations/task forces rather than governing.  If he intends to hold a October election of course I stand corrected, but I doubt he has the guts to do that. 

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#19)

Indeed, anyone who thought that Brown would be more left-wing as PM than Blair was very naive in my view. In fact, I don't even think Blair praised Thatcher as much as Brown has in the last couple of weeks!

Whilst he was Chancellor, he simply made himself look more left-wing (like his "best when we are Labour" speech) because he knew that it would make him more popular than Blair with the activists and it would help him get elected as leader quicker.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#21)

I have to say I agree with you. However, any labour party member should only describe Thatcher as a necessary evil. Everyone went on about Brown being a statesman-like politician without spin, but look at what he does just for the sake of making Cameron look bad! Even old Antonio didn't do that. And Antonio didn't attack the party affiliated trade unions, refuse to give them a basic raise, and sing praises to old Maggie. I can't beleive I'm saying this but I'm starting to miss Blair already

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#23)

Exactly, I'm pleased someone actually has said that!

I always knew that those who expected Brown to be further to the left than Blair would be left disappointed because now Brown doesn't have to rely on Labour members anymore for support, so basically, he doesn't care what they think anymore.

Blair wouldn't have dared to have his photo taken with Thatcher right outside Number 10, nor would he have praised her in the same way as Brown has. Plus, Blair was never as socially conservative as Brown either. In many ways, I think Brown has actually gone out of his way to show himself as further to the right than Blair (or at least the same as him).

I miss Blair too, but I suspect for different reasons!

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#26)

I too miss Blair.

I noticed on the BBC Politics site, they asked a few Union members what they made of Brown's TUC speech on Monday.  The verdict was not too positive a few even said they prefered Blair's speeches.  Interesting that Brown did not have the gut's to stay for a question & answer session with the union members like Blair used to after his speeches.

'What union members made of Brown':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6987168.stm

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#31)

And he doesn't have the guts to do a live debate with ming and "dave" or do a Paxo intervew which Blair was good at

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#39)

Blair.... I think she was a great leader and deserves a state funeral. so do I and the sooner the better. I have a pint on that day.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#10)

This just cannot be happening. Surely it's an appalling nightmare rom which I may awake soon. If it's true, then, well. It wasn't until Tony invaded Iraq that I really hated him. I now hate Gordon just as much.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#13)

Me too. I was   more or less resigned to Gordon taking over but thought at least he would be better than Blair. Three months down the road I loathe him. You're right, it's a nightmare.....

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#11)

I don't beleive it either, it is a discrace, all these years we fought against Thatcher and now she has tea with a Labour leader and PM??? No PR excuse will get Brown out of this one. They probably do have a lot in common, with Brown hating unions as much as Tebbit.(Sorry just really annoyed).

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#14)

Does anyone know about her current state of health? How much longer she has in the world?

The impression I get from this article http://www.seriouslythough.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=708 is that shes no longer all there  (it was written almost a year ago so I imagine if anything she's worse now)

And the Tory MP on the radio hinted at problems - http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1284191,00.html

But Michael White in the paper today doent mention anything about her health http://politics.guardian.co.uk/columnist/story/0,,2169054,00.html 

 

Anybody have anything definitive?  

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#17)

The Tory MP Rob Wilson has a piece on the ConservativeHome website arguing that Thatcher was used by Brown.  In the piece he also talks about her health.

'Was Thatcher used in an unsrupulous way by Brown?'
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2007/09/rob-wilson-mp-w.html

'PM denies exploiting Thatcher':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6994778.stm

One car'nt help but agree with Rob Wilson's points.  Thou I guess the counter argument is that Team Thatcher knew they would cause problems for Cameron. 
One wonders if Sir John Major or Tony Blair will be offered similar treatment in the coming weeks?

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#16)

Well, if he wants to trade all the labour voters for Tory voters he's going the right way about it.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#24)

Alex, how come we can't see all of the new threads down the right hand side of the home page anymore? Everytime somebody posts a new thread we can't see it - I think it's because that 'Conference events' advert is there - could this possibly be sorted out please?

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#28)

Please see HM's posting on "blogs"

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#29)

well 50% hate her, 50% love her in the UK, so if Brown had shot her, he could have sewed up the next election. But she is a former Prime Minister, her advise, hopefully not on policy, would be considered useful, she did win three elections.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#30)

Fine, why not invite her round for a privite chat like Blair used to.  Why did Brown feel the need to leak that he was inviting her to the Daily Mail's political editor?  Why did Brown feel the need to pose outside Downing Street with her?  It was just a cheap stunt to overshadow Cameron's policy review.  Nobody has a issue with the current PM meeting former PM's, but did we really need the amatur dramatics of Thursday?  It was so-stage managed (whilst Thatcher was inside, a Brown advisor was running outside to give the lobby a running commentary).  It's pretty laughable.  Most of the British public would much prefer the Prime Minister to be 'getting on with the job' as Gordon Brown is so often fond of saying.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#40)

I see it different, the Falkland war was one winner for her, the biggest winner for Thatcher was a bloody awfull labour party.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#42)

true

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#32)

'Brown: I want Lady Thatcher portrait to hang in No 10'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=481993&in_page_id=17 70

(I wonder if Tony Blair will be offered the same honour, or will he simply be airbrushed out of history).

Malcolm Rifkind: So why that red dress and those TV cameras, Margaret?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,2170294,00.html

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#33)

Rifkind obviously not a fan of Maggie then.

Having a new portrait of her in Number 10 is going a bit far. The trouble with all this is that it's starting to look like a 'national consensus' where we all agree how great Thatcher was and how she was the best thing since sliced bread. The truth couldn't be further from that though.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#34)

Northern Monkey, for once I agree with you.....

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#35)

I quite liked Rifkind's finishing comment 

In the meantime Gordon Brown might like to invite Tony Benn as his next guest. After all, he is a conviction politician as well.

Re: Gordon meets Maggie! (#41)

God no he is Labour not New labour, and he might talk some sence, he might even suggest New Labour think about the working class whats left of us.