Mirror, mirror on the wall

The Mirror newspaper put together a panel of six members of the public to interrogate the six candidates for the Deputy Leader's post. They all made good account of themselves, but one candidate stood out more than the others.  The panel was made up of Silla Carron (Pride of Britain Neighbour of the Year), Mohamed Lodhi (pensioner), Lesley Ward (school teacher), Emma Chapman (nurse) and Katan Alder (student).  


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_method=full%26objectid=19257969%26siteid=89520-name_page. html

Hilary Benn

PANEL'S VERDICT: Straight answers: 7/10; trust factor: 6/10.

THEY were impressed that Hilary answered questions directly without waffling, but felt that he was not inspirational enough.


Hazel Blears


PANEL'S VERDICT: Straight answers: 7/10; trust factor: 6.5/10.

UNIMPRESSED Silla said she'd "heard it all before" but most were surprised to find that Hazel came across as a woman of the people.


Jon Cruddas


PANEL'S VERDICT: Straight answers: 10/10; trust factor: 10/10.

THE panel appreciated his down-to-earth and direct approach and believed that he understands the big issues. Silla said that Jon could even persuade her to vote Labour for the first time in a national election.


Peter Hain


PANEL'S VERDICT: Straight answers: 5/10; trust factor: 5/10.

THE panel was impressed that he was "honest enough" to admit the government had made mistakes but Mohamed, Nigel and Katan were concerned that he had not offered enough in the way of solutions.


Harriet Harman


PANEL'S VERDICT: Straight answers: 5/10; trust factor: 4/10.

ALTHOUGH impressed by her political experience and confidence, panelists were turned off by her Tory-bashing.


Alan Johnson


PANEL'S VERDICT: Direct answers: 6/10; trust factor: 5/10.

THE panel liked Alan's answers but, as with Peter, they were concerned about what new ideas he would bring to the table - and Silla thought he played up his working-class roots too much.


The panel's verdict:

Silla Carron said: "I'd love to see Jon get the job. I would trust him a lot more than any other politician, and that's a compliment."
Labour chair Hazel Blears pipped Hilary Benn to second place with Education Secretary Alan Johnson fourth - the panel found him engaging but felt he made too much of his working-class roots.
Least favoured were "too slick" Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain and Harriet Harman who they thought "too patronising".

Lesley said: "I was expecting to be impressed with Peter Hain and Harriet Harman, but he was too slick and she was too obviously electioneering. But Jon could persuade me to vote Labour."
Emma said: "I felt Jon Cruddas was the most normal and he admits when he doesn't know something."

Nigel added: "Jon will bring traditional Labour members back - he believes in what we believe in. I thought Alan Johnson, a union man, should have had similar ideas but he didn't. The one that surprised me was Hazel Blears, she was more down to earth than I expected."
Katan said: "Jon was the one who was at least prepared to listen about the Iraq war."

And Mohamed agreed: "Jon's a man of the people. Hilary Benn is a good speaker but I found him to be too much like a very good salesman."


AFTER all the questions, answers and arguments our panel spoke unanimously - Jon Cruddas should be Labour's next Deputy Leader.  Cruddas is the backbench MP for Dagenham, the only candidate who is not a minister and the only one who insists he is running for Deputy Labour Leader, not Deputy Prime Minister.





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Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#1)

This actually lines up with my views quite a bit. I do respect Blears, even though I don't entirely agree with her politics. I think Harman is quite cynically chasing the preferences of others now and I'll knock her down my list. 1. Cruddas 2. Blears 3. Johnson 4. Benn 5. Harman 6. Hain

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#2)

I'm not surprised that Harman bombed with a Mirror audience, she doesn't come across as someone with much clout with our membership at large. But the target audience for reviving Labours electoral appeal is with 'Worcester Woman' and 'Guardian Readers', and Harriet is the one.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#3)

Not according to the wonderful Idiots for Labour who have done a masterful analysis of 'swing voters' which Harriet is trying to appeal to. http://idiots4labour.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/lies-damned-lies-and-material-produced-by-campaign-har man-which-we-are-reluctant-to-dignify-with-the-word-statistics/ It really is a must read.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#4)

Cruddas is peaking at just the right time. He strikes more right notes with people than get played at Glastonbury. He's real, he connects and he's going to win.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#5)

In response:

No he isn't (peaking at the right time)

No he isn't (striking more right notes)

No he isn't (real - at least not while he's pretending to be a leftwinger)

And: no he isn't (going to win).

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#6)

In response to 'in response' Yes! Jon Cruddas is (peaking at the right time) Yes! Jon Cruddas is(striking more right notes) Yes! Jon Cruddas is (real - at least not while he's pretending to be a leftwinger) And: Yes! Jon Cruddas is 100% definitely (going to win) the Labour Party Deputy Leadership!

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#9)

Do you really believe that? Why? What makes you think he's 'peaking'?

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#13)

Glass House, I think it's fairly obvious. A lowly back bencher who comes from obscurity wins the Newsnight Poll, comes second in the CLP nominations, has Kevin Maguire endorsing him and today wins the Daily Mirror poll hands down. Jon's campaign is hitting the home stretch at exactly the right time and as a Cruddas supporter I am - like Tom Watson - enjoying every moment.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#16)

May I remind you Kevin Maguire endorsements do not necessarily lead to victory.Neither does coming from nowhere and being popular in the constituencies.But, hey, at least you got a chance to vote.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#18)

But all those 'polls' are self-selecting. They're not representative.

The Newsnight polls was, in all likelihood, weighted in favour of Cruddas by Tories who want us to pick Cruddas because he's the most left wing.

From what I can work out, the Mirror poll was made up of a panel of Mirror readers - again, self selecting.

And surely you realise how unrepresentative the CLP nomination totals could be? Vastly biased towards activists and a host of other factors which I've outlined elsewhere.

I'm just not sure why these extremely dodgy-sampled polls make you so sure about Cruddas. Especially when serious, properly weighted polls by YouGov are giving the exact opposite result.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#7)

Today I received my bumph from the deputy leader contenders, all except Harriet witch arrived yesterday. This has all been shredded and will be used for bedding for my chickens.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#8)

I use copies of Socialist Campaign Group News for lining a hamster cage once I've read them. Fits perfectly.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#10)

Fair nuff. Best use for em...

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#11)

All in the best spirit of recycling; even 'the guardian' makes quality 'fish 'n' chip' wrapping paper. Lets go back back to the old days of paper carrier bags instead of plastic, fresh food and veg not wrapped up in plastic but paper, and milk in paper or glass bottles and not plastic. And the 'Morning Star' used to line the budgie cage.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#25)

How do paper bottles work?

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#26)

i think he's talking about cartons

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#27)

Remember the difficulty you had getting the b****rs open. In the end scissors; cut the corners off or in desparation, stab at it. No wonder they went out of fashion and we got plastic bottles instead. But you can't recycle the caps!apparently. Thats why we have to get back to paper, degradable and glass, reusable. and stop using petroleum oil to produce plastics.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#14)

And you wonder why we're not voting for Cruddas.......

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#15)

Any doubts I might have had re Cruddas now utterly gone.NO! No! No! With supporters like you, he doesn't need enemies

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#12)

Cruddas is coming off as the trustwothy, straight-talking politician that Blair was believed to be in the 90's. Just the sort of politician we need now.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#17)

Can we fastforward to 2017 when jkitleft is bemoaning the utter betrayal he feels about Cruddas? I'm certain Cruddas will (not entirely fortunately) be a footnote in history at best by then, but let's indulge the fantasy for a while.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#19)

lol

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#20)

You will be - in shock.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#21)

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Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#22)

And can I just add: ???

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#23)

and by then Peter, you will probably be calling Cruddas a lily-livered, bleeding hear marxist in 2017

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#24)

'heart'

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#28)

Well, he's not far off that now, jkit!!!

Except of course he's nowhere near as left-wing as he's currently pretending to be: hence in the impossible scenario of him winning the DL, you'd be crying traitor a good deal sooner than 2017...

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#29)

the trouble is Peter, there are many ways of interpreting Cruddas' left-wing views. To some people he may be the candidate of the campaign group. To campaign group supporters, he's not left-wing because he didn't vote for Mcdonnell. I don't think he's any of those things, I think he's moderately left-wing. I know he voted for Iraq, Foundation Hospitals etc., but he also voted against top-up fees, Trident etc. and so his whole act of apologising about voting for the war, is far less painstaking then watching the other candidates hang on to their collective responsibility, while calling for the party to be more left-wing.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#30)

I agree - but I'm not basing his underlying outlook on his voting record since entering parliament: voting records can be styled one way or the other to help construct an image that may not be accurate.

My bottom line is that in no way would Cruddas have either a) wanted to work for No.10 or b) been employed by No.10 under Tony Blair if he was the left-winger that people like John Wiseman are now lauding as the saviour of that wing of the party.

I'm not claiming that Jon's cast votes cynically - like you I believe he's soft left and has probably ideologically swung somewhat away from new Labour since he was an active fixer for it at the heart of government. I've met him and think he's sincere, genuine and likeable. But the advantage of the soft-left voting record he's amassed is that it enables him to present himself as far more left-wing than he is - partly because he's the least centrist of the six DL contenders but it's not just a reaction to the other five that he's coming off as left-wing: it's a clearly deliberate strategy.

Coupled to that the DL position is irrelevant in terms of the national profile it will afford its holder, whoever that is - so I'm just cautioning against the (rather gushing) comments you made about him given your propensity to become disillusioned with your politicians...

If Jon Cruddas is the saviour of the left (be it the soft left or the hard left) then no wonder these sections have so little sway in the government is all I'm saying.

Re: Mirror, mirror on the wall (#31)

I think you'll find Gordon Brown rates Cruddas a lot more than you all think. There's a positive future for Jon Cruddas and he will well deserve it after the brilliant campaign he has run.