Keith Hill MP to stand down

Streatham MP Keith Hill MP has announced he will stand down at the next GE.

The news is hardly a surprise as it was already suggested that the veteran MP (born in 1943 and  first elected in 1992) could have decided to leave the Commons at the end of this term.

Keith Hill gained the Streatham constituency from the tories in 1992 GE. He held it since then and in 2005 he was re-elected with a 18.4% majority over the Libdems.

Since 2005 he has served as Blair's PPS.

The Libdems were naturally immediately ready to raise their profile and to hit some punches. Their PPC wrote to the local paper (South London Press) beginning with some praises for Mr Hill (when MPs retire, they suddenly become very hard working and so committed) and then suggesting he can become a "lame duck". Not sure how an MP who wish to retire can avoid to become a lame duck in LD world unless if they die in office without ever announcing their retirement!
That's why it would be better for Labour to select the new candidate as soon as possible, build his/her profile and not let the Libdems to set the agenda with their on ground campaign (LDs suffered losses in Lambeth at 2006 local elections)

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Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#1)

I'd heard this about a week ago. There is agrowing pressure for their to be a black MP for Streatham, and their are rumours Oona King will try for the seat.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#2)

'there' my awful spelling....

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#3)

yes, he announced it in late May. I read it somewhere (on second account) and I wanted to be sure it was official before writing some unaccurate things. Then today I read the LD lame duck letter and I decided to go and blog about it.
I read this morning about the BME PPC push.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#4)

Good if they can make it an all BME shortlist.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#5)

Sadiq Khan (MP for Tooting) called for a BME candidate being selected in Streatham http://www.obv.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=743&Itemid=124

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#6)

Highly unlikely to select a BME candidate - simply because a) the Party's unlikely to make it a BME-only shortlist and b) there are too many local activists who'll want to throw their hat into the ring to make it likely that a non-local BME candidate would get selected (and perhaps surprisingly there aren't that many prominent BME members in Lambeth).

Perhaps someone like Kingsley Abrams will go for it, but otherwise it's presumably going to be local activists like Steve Reed, the Leader of Lambeth Council and Steve Beer, the Chair of Vauxhall CLP.

Ironically, there's actually a case for making sure a man gets selected, given that the other two Lambeth seats are both represented by women!

Sadiq Khan should worry more about making sure Tooting still has him as its MP after the next election instead of interfering in Streatham.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#7)

"there are too many local activists who'll want to throw their hat into the ring to make it likely that a non-local BME candidate would get selected (and perhaps surprisingly there aren't that many prominent BME members in Lambeth)."
OBV mentioned Chuka Umunna, leading organiser of the Black Socialist Society and vice-chairman of Streatham CLP (at least last year he was the vice-chairman, don't know now)

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#8)

Yes Chuka Umunna is Vice Chair. I've been told he could have a good chance if he stood.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#9)

We have to be more proactive in getting more of our good BME candidates into the 'safer' seats. The Tories have suddenly wisened up to the fact that they must increase their tally of BME members if they are to become a creditable party, and have got eg Shaun Bailey. We must focus not just on constituencies with a high proportion of BME communities but also other areas where it is average.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#10)

But it works both ways doesn't it Swatantra - I agree that there is no good reason why a BME candidate should not be elected in a largely white constituency (Ashok Kumar in Cleveland and Parmjit Dhanda in Gloucester are two Labour examples where this already happens).

Equally, however, it must be true that a white candidate should have the chance to represent Tottenham or Southall, for instance, if they're the best candidate.

It's incredibly damaging to look at seats in terms of whether they should have a woman candidate or a BME candidate, because it's nonsense that only a BME candidate can represent BME communities, or women can represent women, or white candidates can represent white people. Instead, surely, the BEST candidate should be selected.

What the Party (any party) admits by pursuing AWS or BME-only shortlists is that at present the membership isn't always selecting candidates on the basis of ability.

Of course the alternative case is that the definition of best is subjective; as has been discussed elsewhere, being local is a major (and entirely legitimate) claim for being the best candidate - which makes it harder for any outside candidate black or white to get selected. That argument is used particularly by the LDs as reasons why they tend not to select black candidates for winnable seats: because their safe seats tend to be in largely white areas; as such the local activist base tends to reflect that, and local candidates are far more likely to be selected than outsiders.

I think this is a legitimate question: is it more important to select the strongest candidate regardless of their background (in which case it is inevitable that the increase in BME candidates in particular will be slower), or is it more important that the House of Commons broadly reflects the ethnic composition of the country (in which case BME only seats are the only way to achieve this quickly).

I've never been convinced by the arguments of PR enthusiasts that the principal purpose of elections is to exactly reflect the votes of the nation - the point of elections is to elect administrations - so in a similar vein I prefer the former argument that all parties should pick the strongest candidate available regardless of ethnic background.

One other point Swatantra - Shaun Bailey wasn't selected by the Tories from a BME only shortlist (nor for that matter was Priti Patel in Witham): he won an open primary up against four white candidates. He won on his merits and surely has somewhat more credibility than if he'd been the winner of a rigged selection.

So it doesn't always follow that BME candidates aren't being selected in any party because of inherent bias against them; just that they are under-represented among the total pool of candidates and also have less experience at campaigning for selection than white candidates who've been round the circuit a few times. That's why EMILY's List and other supportive women's groups that provide training, funding and networking opportunities to even up the playing field somewhat are a far more fruitful way of helping get more women selected than skewing a selection automatically in their favour.

It also remains to be seen if Shaun Bailey's electable - I suspect he (narrowly) won't win Hammersmith, but let's see.

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I believe in the best candidate getting selected, that's why I'm opposed to AWS or a BME equivalent. This is not to say that I am opposed to Ashok Kumar getting selected or Oona King, but they need to get selected in an open to all shortlist.

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I agree. But the problem we have in arguing that is simply that it cannot be the case that in 250 odd cases the best candidate was a white man and that there are less than 100 fantastic women in our party capable of performing as well or better than the man ultimately selected.

I think Labour's attitude to selecting candidates on merit has improved since AWS was introduced, and it was always the long-term vision that there would come a critical mass after which AWS would no longer be needed.

I think the problem with BME candidates is slightly different to that of women: women have always been a large part of the party; it was principally attitudes and a disproportionate unwillingness to stand that was the problem with them getting selected.

There are far fewer BME members; even fewer who are activists - and before large BME communities can be represented at any level they need to be engaged in the political process. The second problem - and I hate to say this - is that the calibre of many of the BME members Labour has is simply not that high: and when it comes to communicating, given the choice between an articulate white candidate and a BME candidate who perhaps does not have as great a vocabulary, or who has a heavy/pronounced accent a lot of members will choose the more articulate white candidate.

I'm not sure how that problem gets addressed, and I'm not claiming that anything like all BME candidates have such presentation problems, but an awful lot do. At the very least BME members need equivalent support to EMILY's List which they don't come close to having yet. The problem is that I just don't think skewing a selection is the right way to address it.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#14)

Thank you Peter! Needless to say, I think you're absolutely right. I was at the Deputy Leadership Hustings in the Irish Centre in Camden a couple of weeks back and the idea of representation was discussed, discussed for about 25 minutes in fact. In 25 minutes, not once did any of the candidates mention ability. Hazel Blears even lauded one constituency (I forget which) as "a great example of being representative" in that it was 97% white and an Asian was elected! I absolutely agree that everyone should be represented, women, gays, BME's - everyone. In the discussion of how we get there though - please everyone, don't forget to mention ability. If a white guy doesn't have the empathy to properly represent his BME or female constituents, then that is an indictment of his ability - not his race. The same must be true for BME politicians. I'd love to think of our Asian representative in the 97% white constituency a great example of merit winning out rather than the product of positive discrimination.

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I agree Peter that AWS has helped the attitude of selecting women, that it won't disadvantage the parties to select a female candidate. I think we should now end AWS, because now around a quarter of Labour mp's are women (that figure is probably wrong), and this has helped liberalise the attitude to selecting women. I also agree that potential all-BME shortlists are different though, and it could have the damaging perception of being inverse racism.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#16)

"I think we should now end AWS, because now around a quarter of Labour mp's are women (that figure is probably wrong), "

Labour female MPs are 97 out 354. So around 27%

"and this has helped liberalise the attitude to selecting women"

In 2001 AWS weren't used. The Lab new intake that year was formed by 38 MPs. Just 4 of them were women (10.5%). So in 2001 there was a lack of strong female candidates or male contenders were exceptionally good that year or there's something else

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#17)

I don't understand. AWS is said to not have been used until after 2001, but I am almost certain that Ann Cryer was selected from an AWS in 97, as well as other candidates.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#18)

They were used in the 1992-1996 period. Then in 1996 a employment tribunal ruled their use illegal, so they stopped to use it. In 2002 a new piece of legislation was passed to allow their use. And so they were used again for 2005 GE

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#19)

AWS was in fact used in '97 and we got the excellent Angela Smith in Basildon as a result. I don't have any truck with those who say excellent male candidates get turned away. So what? The principle is to redress the appalling imbalance in the House; it is not representative. So bring on 20 All BME Seats in, white as well as non-white areas. You'll be surprised that you'll find excellent BME MP's elected to the House.

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But Swatantra; it's true that Angela Smith is excellent - but surely she'd have been selected in an open selection? You make out that women don't stand a chance at being selected unless the process excludes all men.

Now, as I made the case above, it's certainly the case that there was clearly discrimination in selections before 1997. As jkit argues, I think that's much reduced because of the sea change that 1997 brought about.

You say in effect that having underperforming BME MPs is more important than having effective MPs irrespective of their gender - "so what"? I couldn't disagree more: it does your cause not one shred of good to end up with inarticulate, ineffective, useless advocates: in fact it damages it.

Sadiq Khan got to parliament without a BME shortlist. So did Ashok Kumar. And Shahid Malik, Diane Abbott, David Lammy, Dawn Butler, Parmjit Dhanda, Mohammed Sarwar and Piara Khabra (I know I've left a few out). With the possible exception of Piara (who may have strengths I don't know about) these are all capable, articulate MPs free of any criticism that they owe their seats not to ability, but to a rigged selection that excluded more capable others.

I'm sure that if BME shortlists do come about then some of the new intake will be good; as Angela Smith was an excellent example of AWS-selected women. But some will not - as Helen Brinton was a disastrous example of AWS-selected women. Given that there will always be far fewer BME MPs than women (whether or not we reach a representative number) it's important to ensure that everyone who reaches parliament does so because they were the best candidate having beaten ALL others.

Quickly, in respect of Andrea's comment about the fall in women in 2001 her stats are (as usual) right, but of course there were very few Labour-held seats seeking new candidates in 2001, whilst a handful of the women elected in 1997 retired (like Tess Kingham in Gloucester) and some (like Romford's Eileen Gordon) lost, so it's a little harsh to argue that the withdrawal of AWS was the cause of the slight decline in women Labour MPs.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#21)

"But some will not - as Helen Brinton was a disastrous example of AWS-selected women" I would hesitate in commenting about Helen Brinton Clark as I once did on another board and I had someone claiming to be her attacking me....anyway when she lost the trigger before 2005 GE, she faced men too in the open selection that followed and Petersborough CLP kept her...so maybe Petersborough CLP should share the blame, not just the AWS! "Quickly, in respect of Andrea's comment about the fall in women in 2001 her stats are (as usual) right, but of course there were very few Labour-held seats seeking new candidates in 2001, whilst a handful of the women elected in 1997 retired (like Tess Kingham in Gloucester) and some (like Romford's Eileen Gordon) lost, so it's a little harsh to argue that the withdrawal of AWS was the cause of the slight decline in women Labour MPs." yes, yes...I probably didn't explain myself clearly earlier. I didn't mean to suggest that the decline of the female MPs overall in 2001 was down to AWS absence, but just pointing out that the new Labour intake that year (38 MPs...I think 2 gained their seats from an opposition party and 36 replaced retiring MPs) had few women in it (Vera Baird, Meg Munn, Anne Moffatt and the Glasgow North one...I can't recall her name at the moment). Then there would probably be the need to a deeper analysis (how many women applied for those 36 seats, how many of them had high profile female contenders and so on) to draw definitive conclusions.

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bloody hell I forgot about the editing again :-C

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#23)

That's a fair point - the problem is how do you prove why someone was selected: after very few misogynist sexist gits are going to admit that the reason they voted for an incompetent bloke over a capable woman is because of their own prejudices, are they?

I think part of the problem is generational, which is why the issue of women getting selected is receding, albeit not as quickly as some would like: it's an older attitude that women aren't suited for political life.

The number of "union seats" is also rapidly receding (given that the union officials selected were universally male) but even where unions are still powerful enough to control a selection outcome - and I'm not sure such a seat exists anymore (control the nominations, yes, but not the eventual winner) the attitude there won't necessarily be "pick a man" either nowadays, whereas it would have been one or two decades ago.

As I say, the issue with BME candidates is different, and before we even get to all BME short-lists there needs to be massive advances in training, financial support and networking for black prospective candidates at all levels.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#24)

BME shortlists could also be contraversial, if we decided to put it in a tensious community like Oldham, Burnley etc. The problem is as well, that a BME shortlist in say, Bethnal green, would mean that many south asian candidates tried to get selected there, but then in another constituency, the attitude to a south asian candidate might be 'Well why don't you just try in Bethnal Green?', which I'm not sure would happen with AWS, because AWS would be more frequent, where as all BME shortlists wouldn't be as frequent.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#26)

Absolutely - not only is the party now effectively saying "Tottenham is from now on a constituency represented by BME candidates", it's actually: "Tottenham is from now on a constituency only represented by a black african-carribbean candidate" - ditto, "Ealing Southall is from now on a constituency only represented by a South East Asian Hindu" and so on, as the largest BME communities by far in those respective constituencies.

But that said, that's the underlying irony of equal opportunities philosophy in itself isn't it? - it's not about ensuring everybody gets treated the same: it's actually about treating people very differently in order to get an 'equal' outcome.

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#12)

Stephen Twigg is often seen around in the Streatham area and I believe, is in search of a safe seat. I think he is also governor of a local school and we all know what that means. Maybe Keith Hill could become Lord Spineless of Streatham?

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#27)

that's very unfair considering that Keith has given notice of his retirement well before a likely general election meaning there will be no NEC imposed shortlist - as one finds with very late retirements

Re: Keith Hill MP to stand down (#25)

Keith is a great constituency MP, well regarded by all. When Party members come to choose his successor, I am sure they will be looking for the best all-round person to represent us. There is no shortage of excellent candidates coming forward from a range of backgrounds. Imposed bme short-lists are almost certainly against the race-relations act. Didn't we have to change the law to re-permit all women shortlists, but we didn't change it to permit all bme lists.