Open thread: Brown's first government

Already, it seems that Baroness Amos, Patricia Hewitt and Margaret Beckett have been told they will no longer hold their portfolios in the reshuffle. Harriet Harman is to be Labour Party Chair and the DTI faces oblivion.

Please use this thread to update Labourhome readers on reshuffle developments.




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Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#1)

It would seem that Brown is purging women from the Cabinet. I do hope he addresses this by appointing others.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#4)

Lets be honest, some of the woment we do have in the cabinet haven't been a resounding success have they?

We need the cabinet best for the job.

Hopefully that will include some of the many women mps we have that deserve an opportunity to take ministerial roles.

 

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#5)

I agree that some of women haven't been very good, but neither have some of the men.

The problem here is that all the leaks have been about women getting fired, which is worrying.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#6)

I agree it doesn't look good re: all the headlines being about women losing their positions. It will be interesting to see which women are moved up into more prominent positions to replace their sisters.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#7)

We'll certainly be seeing Yvette Cooper in Cabinet

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#12)

I think Amos went of her own will to be honest, and we al know the beckett was on the way out, hewitt especially and jowell.

The latter two extremely tainted so no great surprise.

But hopefully they'll be a cabinet of all the talents and...all the sexes.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#14)

Amos hasn't been purged - she is taking on a big job liaising with Africa for the EU. It's actually a much better role than the one she is giving up.

I'd like to see jobs for Yvette Cooper, Pat Scotland, Hazel Blears, Dawn Primarolo, Kitty Ussher and Caroline Flint.

For the boys, James Purnell, Andy Burnham, Jon Denham, Jon Cruddas and Ed Miliband.

Maybe Oona could get something - she's done work for both Gordon and Harriet's campaigns. Life peerage? 

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#21)

Whoever makes it into Cabinet will be appointed through patronage.

As Labour Party members we provide for our elected representatives in Parliament aka the PLP to decide who are suitable candidates to lead a Labour Government, with the Electoral College having the final say through OMOV.

Shouldn't we be extending and renewing party democracy by including a Rule to extend PLP franchise to electing a Cabinet pool when Labour is in Government from whom the Leader may chose her/his Cabinet?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#23)

I'd like to agree with this but frankly I feel it's important for a leader to have the freedom to lead. If they bugger it up, they are accountable to the PLP, 20% only are required to trigger a leadership election, and to the public at a general election.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#38)

Der Alex

In which case why do we have elections for the Shadow Cabinet?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#45)

Yes

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#42)

Harriet Harman - Leader of House of Commons
Alistair Darling - Chancellor
Jacqui Smith - Home Secretary
David Miliband - Foreign Secretary
John Hutton - Business & Enterprise         
Hilary Benn - Environment
Douglas Alexander - International Development
Hazel Blears - Communities (including housing)*
*Yvette Cooper - Housing – in Cabinet, according to Nick Robinson
Peter Hain - Work & Pensions
Geoff Hoon - Chief Whip
Alan Johnson - Health
Jack Straw - Justice
James Purnell - Culture
Ruth Kelly - Transport
Shirley Williams - Nuclear proliferation advisor, considering role, for which she would be unpaid.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#46)

Des Browne - stays at Defence, adds Scotland
Andy Burnham - Chief Sec to Treasury?
Patricia Scotland - Attorney General

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#2)

I see C4 are saying that the education and skills dept is being split up - interesting for me as i work there and haven't heard a dickie bird about it in advance


Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#61)

Welcome to the new era of news managment ;)

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#3)

Brown has proposed Baroness Amos for the role of EU special representative to the African Union.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#8)

I'd like to see Emily Thornberry and Dawn Butler promoted. Yvette Cooper is underutilised. Gill Merron has a lot to offer and a personality that the public would love. And there are more besides. Of course not everyone is either on course or suitable for the cabinet, but I think Gordon should take the opportunity to "bring on" those people of talent on the backbenches or lower ministerial rungs.

One thing I always hate to see is women promoted to the perceived "girly" portfolios like health and education.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#9)

Maybe that's why the Terminator was in town yesterday, to help spot girly-men?

  

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#11)

Thornberry and Butler are two people who I've always thought should be in government

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#27)

Agreed. Emily Thornberry could replace Vera Baird.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#10)

I would expect to see a fairly substantial promotion for Hazel Blears as well. Maybe all the way into one of the Home Office posts as she was previously there.

There are a number of good women candidates for any of the top posts, and I am sure that Gordon will be conscious of this. It'll be interesting to see just who stays around in the next few days.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#13)

Newsnight were saying that the Guardian reported Lord Patten and Malcolm Rifkind would be crossing the floor - surely not?


And that Milliband would be foreign secretary - he is not experienced enough in my view.  Darling to be Chancellor - to be expected.   Ed Balls to get one of the new split education depts and Jack Straw to Justice.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#15)

Jesus christ. These Tories should join the Lib Dems not Labour! The moderate Tories are basically Lib Dems anyway...

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#16)

But how can the moderate Tories join the LibDems (instead of Labour) if they support the Iraq war? And LibDems are perceived by many to the left of Labour on many topics, rightly or wrongly! 

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#18)

It's true that the Lib Dems are seen to be left wing. This is only because the Labour government is actually rather right wing, especially when compared to the Labour Party itself.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#30)

Rifkind is an isolationist. Against itervention in iraq and Kosovo

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#17)

Hopefully farming will be split away from Defra and move to where it belongs in Trade and Industry. They trade, and are an industry.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#24)

Nick Browne back at Agriculture?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#19)

"Already, it seems that Baroness Amos, Patricia Hewitt "  <br> <br>

It seems that Hewitt has been offered a new department but turned it down for personal reason (she has a 90+ years old mother living in Australia). She will now chair a group to draw up Labour policy on Europe for the next election.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#20)

Watch out for Angela Eagle, she may not make a cabinet post this time round, but it's only a matter of time.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#25)

Surely you meant to say Angela Smith, Basildon?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#22)

According to Sky Miliband will become Foreign Secretary and Douglas Alexander International Development Secretary

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#26)

Bad move; Milliband should get his teeth into the toughest job of all, the Home Office, or whats left of it. And Helena Kennedy at Justice. Let Margaret have a second go at the FO. With Blair gone she might make a difference.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#29)

If not Margaret, then Hillary who would do a hell of a lot more getting the peace process moving whilst Tony's still vainly struggling trying to find the road map.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#78)

They should've bought him a satnav instead of a guitar.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#28)

According to BBC Harriet Harman will become Leader of the Commons

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#31)

Harriet will have her time cut out as Chair but definitely needs Cruddas as her No 2 to rejuvenate the Party. She is not a 'Commons Type of Person' and will be wasted as Leader of the House.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#56)

With the mess that Milliband made of the British canal system, heaven help Suez and Panama.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#79)

ROFLMAO.  He'll have to work a lot with Tony, was this some deal?

Sorry cynical again.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#32)

I think the government should include Tony Lloyd, Peter Kilfoyle, John Denham, Jon Cruddas, Jon Trickett and Chris Mullin.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#37)

Agree.  A nice injection of sensible soft left MPs to freshen things up.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#48)

Alan Simpson would be a brilliant Environment Minister .  No chance......

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#41)

Please not Peter Kilfoyle - he's a has been who's well past his sell-by date.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#47)

Dream  on. We are  not included   in Brown's  Govt  of "all the talents." What a sick bloody joke

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#33)

Denham and Jacqui Smith are being tipped for the Home office. I don't think Milliband as foreign secretary is a good choice.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#34)

Looks like Johnson in Health, Hain in Work & Pensions and Douglas Alexander at DfID

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#35)

Miliband as Foreign Secretary could be better than some here think.
If Brown's Foreign Policy approach is going to be based more on economics, better to have a For. Sec. well versed in the subject.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#36)

According to Sky: Benn at Environment and Purnell at Culture

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#39)

so far - & Sky & BBC confirm Smith at Home Sec

Gordon Brown                 ;       Prime Minister
Harriet Harman               &nbs p;      Leader of House of Commons
Alisdair Darling                 &nbs p;     Chancellor (TBC)
Jacqui Smith                 &nbs p;           Home Secretary
David Miliband                 &nbs p;      Foreign Secretary

John Hutton                 &nbs p;          Business & Enterprise
Peter Hain                 &nbs p;             Work & Pensions
James Purnell                 &nbs p;        Culture
Hilary Benn                 &nbs p;           Environment
Douglas Alexander                 International Development
Ruth Kelly - Transport
Hazel blears - community sec - BBC

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#51)

Ed Miliband: Cabinet Office
Shaun Woodward: NI Secretary

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#40)

dti faces oblivion? Isn't that Liberal Democrat policy?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#43)

What's the point of splitting the Education Department in two? It just makes government more complicated than it needs to be.

And where's Tessa Jowell? She was one of the few top women who actually seemed normal and now she's been kicked out where as Ruth Kelly stays in. Bizarre.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#44)

I'm livid that a far-right Christist is still in cabinet.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#49)

She think Kelly could do well in a place where her religion can't come up against her work (which is why she was terrible at Education and DCLG) - transport should suit her well

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#50)

Depends if we're on a highway to hell or a stairway to heaven. Sorry, couldn't stop myself.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#54)

Depends on if your AC/DC or not. ;-)

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#52)

Transport has been one of the failiures of this government. So why are we putting a failiure in charge of it?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#63)

Absolutely - Ruth Kelly is useless to say the least and we need somebody competent to solve the transport problems we've got.

Kelly will just say 'no' to everything just like she did to all the decent planning applications she got when she was Communities Secretary.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#53)

Shaun Woodward as North Ireland Secretary

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#55)

Beyond satire. This  makes Blair's cabinet look like a bunch of lefties. ....

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#59)

Grim, exactly who were you thinking of in Blair's Cabinet as a lefty?

Brown's cabinet is pretty much the same in membership as Blairs. He's promoted a critic of the Lebanon escapade - Miliband, brought Denham back into governbment and promoted him, made housing a Cabinet responsibility - thus partly reducing Blears' role. I'm not making any claims whatsoever that this is a left  - or even a lefter -cabinet, but I am a bit non-plussed by your recent remarks comparing Blair favourably to Brown.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#66)

You're making the mistake of taking Grim too seriously. Everything has to be miserable.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#69)

Well, to be fair, her comments do what her name says on the tin, as it were!

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#57)

Denham is back - Highed Education and Skills

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#58)

Full List:
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page12165.asp

Tessa Jowell is Minister for the Olympics and London and South East. Ian Austin and Angela E Smith will be Brown's PPS

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#60)

Full cabinet list now on

http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page12165.asp

Interesting section: 

<h2> </h2><h2>Also attending Cabinet </h2><h3>Minister for the Olympics and London and South East</h3>

The Rt Hon Tessa Jowell MP

<h3>Minister for Housing</h3>

Yvette Cooper MP

<h3>Minister for Africa, Asia and UN</h3>

Mark Malloch-Brown

<h3>Parliamentary Private Secretaries to the Prime Minister</h3>

Ian Austin MP

Angela E Smith MP

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#68)

Pleased that Angela Smith is PPS to the PM at the heart of Cabinet Govt. Basildon is a key marginal; if we can't hold that we might as well give up now. Pleased with Hazel Blears and Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls. Disappointed with appointments of Hoon, Denham, Woodward, Ed Milliband, and Des Browne. Jackie Smith, too rapid a promotion, should have been Leader of House instead of Harriet. Doesn't Gordon ever read Labourhome and take on the wonderful advice we offer? 

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#62)

Not very impressive I have say.  It seems that Brown has just changed the same faces around into new roles.  Some of the thinking just seems plain shambolic and I fear we will see the repcussions in the months ahead.  It was often said that Blair botched his reshuffles, but I fear Brown has done the same.  It seems pretty crazy that the Brown camp had not planned out the reshuffle in advanced and were still sorting it out yesterday, what has he been doing in this so-called 'transition'?  It does not bode will for the upcoming 100 days.  Jacqui Smith's promotion seems to be on the bases that she is a woman, everytime i've seen her on TV she has not been on top of her brief.  She could be an absolute disaster.  How the hell Peter Hain has remained in Cabinet is beyond me, and in the post of Work & Pension's I can hardly see him pushing through controversial welfare reform.  Splitting up the Education department seems a complete and utter waste of time, was their anybody in the education world actually advocating this?  Most Whitehall experts said there was a case for abolishing the DTI and creating a Nations department to incorporate the Scottish/Welsh/NI departments.  Brown just seems to have confused the situation.  The few positives are Miliband at the Foreign Office, and Denham returning to the Cabinet (but would it have not been better for him to goto the Home Office?).  Harman actually being given a Cabinet job is bloody laughable as well.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#65)

Still a few unanswered questions, like what has happened to Trade. But if genuinely moving to more cabinet government, could hardly make lots of big changes before cabinet appointed. Education sends message this is focus for change (health initial focus getting people back on side, AJs speciality). Maybe other changes, on regions, energy, trade etc. will be dealt with more deliberatively through machinery of government? I hope so, but need to wait for evidence, and that machinery does not just stifle change.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#71)

Trade has been folded into International Development under Alexander. Seems sensible - helping the third world is about aid AND trade.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#64)

So there's now a total of 29 people who can attend Cabinet - 29! And that's not even including a Deputy Prime Minister - that's a bit ridiculous.

And a can't stand all these wishy-washy titles:

  • Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform?
  • Department for Children, Schools and Families?
  • Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills?
and attending Cabinet...

  • Minister for the Olympics and London and South East?
  • Minister for Africa, Asia and UN?
All of them sound ridiculously over-complicated and unnecessary.




Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#76)

<Cynicism on> The more MPs that have jobs, the less are in a position to rebel </cynicism off> 

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#67)

Here we go. Waiting the junior minister positions, we have the full list of Cabinet ministers.
I think some people here are as usual a bit too "hard" with Brown.
I think it's normal to see some old faces being moved around......unless if you sack half of the previous government.
Jacquie Smith is maybe the main surprise. I'm not sure, I don't think she has been tested so much so far (she was good in getting the Civil Partnership through the Commons when she was junior minister for equality and as Chief Whip she did a better job than Hilary Armstrong. However Home Office is a very difficult department (just look at all the troubles her predecessor had) .
Happy to see Denham back. Deserved comeback for him.
Surprised to see Timms sacked.
I didn't expected Shawn Woodward getting a Cabinet Position.
The Education split....it's not uncommon in some mainland countries (not that it's a necessary thing though). The "London and South East" thing for Jowell looks unnecessary....ok, give her the responsibilities for the Olympics, but why South East? Now South West can ask for a minister too!

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#70)

I do agree with you on Stephen Timms, I was amazed to see him sacked from his post as Chief Secretary to the Treasury.  I really expected him to be promoted perhaps to Work and Pensions.  As far as I can tell he's done a very good job job, and he actually understands economics.  Andy Burnham is a good media performer and has done well at Health so why not leave him their to support Alan Johnson?  It just seems Brown is putting square pegs into round holes.  Is he really saying that Peter Hain will understand a complex brief such as Work and Pensions more than Timms?  Will Burnham really grasp complex comprehensive spending review negotations that Timms has been conducting over the last few months?  I understand wanting to promote young talent and I welcome it but this just seems the wrong job for Burnham and I feel very sorry for Timms.  I guess he must have upset Brown at the Treasury.  Also can you tell me which European countries have a similar Education Department split to the one that Mr Brown has announced this morning?  Thanks

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#74)

yes, I expected Timmes promoted too, not the opposite!


"Also can you tell me which European countries have a similar Education Department split to the one that Mr Brown has announced this morning? "

I was thinking about having the University Cabinet Minister separeted from the Education Minister (who would cover the pre-Universitiy levels)...Italy has the 2 things separated at the moment (but I suspect it's because they had to satisfy many parties in their coalitions and so they started to split departments)

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#75)

"why South East? Now South West can ask for a minister too! "

I spoke too soon...there're really ministers for all regions:


Minister for the North of England and Deputy Chief Whip (Treasurer of Her Majesty's Household)

The Rt Hon Nick Brown MP

Minister for the North West

The Rt Hon Beverly Hughes MP [1]

Minister for Yorkshire and the Humber

Caroline Flint MP

Minister for the Olympics and for London [2]

The Rt Hon Tessa Jowell MP

Minister for the South West

Ben Bradshaw MP

Minister for the East Midlands

Gillian Merron MP

Minister for the West Midlands

Liam Byrne MP

Minister for the East of England

Barbara Follett MP

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#77)

Tessa Jowell MP is billed on the No. 10 website as Minister for the Olympics and for London.

Surely GB is not conceding the next election already?

http://petergkenyon.typepad.com/peterkenyon/

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#80)

Jowell's isn't a full cabinet position, she has to work through Brown - so I expect he'll make her open up her books every time she needs something from another dept.  As she has London as well it will be interesting to see how she and Kelly interact over priorities eg. Cross Rail vs 2012.

Divide and rule?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#83)

Why has Nick Brown been given the title of 'Minister for the North of England' when he's actually representing the North-East rather than the North as a whole?

Did Gordon not think these names through before he dished them out?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#72)

Why is there a Tory in the cabinet? Shaun Woodward is a joke.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#73)

It is a very bizarre decision. Also: why is Peter Hain still in the Cabinet? To be honest I expected a bit more of a purge of the hangers-on and certainly did not anticipate Woodward being given a Cabinet position!!

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#81)

To attract Tory votes?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#82)

My raised hopes were dampened, after finding out Cooper hasn't got the rapid promotion she deserved, but then very happy about Denham coming back, then appaled at Woodward being in the cabinet. Why was Kelly promoted? Smith as Home secretary will be interesting.


However, can people stop sounding like cab drivers, going 'it's just the same', 'things will always be the same' or 'I blame the government'

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#84)

I've always found Yvette Cooper to be a bit weak, as she may well demonstrate tonight on Question Time.

But of course, she's still better than Ruth Kelly.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#87)

To be fair, Cooper was quite competent on tonight's QT - so I withdraw the remark above!

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#86)

Well, what's the point of the Labour party any more? It enacts the same Radical Right-wing, anti- working class ideology into practice that the Tories would in power.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#91)

* sigh *

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#92)

if Glass House had said he was leaving this 'marxist' party, you would demand expulsion hearings at the NEC.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#90)

I take my 'appaled' back, at least Woodward believes in equal rights, and isn't that what socialism is about? Also, I have u-turned on Milliband. Should be interesting. I think he will be a more humanitarian Foreign Secretary.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#94)

Right-Liberals also believe in "equal rights", that doesn't make them socialists either.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#85)

After the regional ministers, other junior ministers positions are being announced:

Jim Murphy MP as a Minister of State (Europe).

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#88)

Rumour tonight is that Digby Jones will get a peerage and a job and that the junior ranks is where some of the other non-Labour people will turn up.

I like Digby Jones, he's outspoken and business people think he's great - but he really isn't Labour, I don't think.

Stars so far for me are John Denham at Innovation and Hazel in exactly the right job at Communities.

Have to ask, like everyone else -

WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN TIMMS? He's a nice guy, a very competent, high flying minister, gets on well with Gordon, is widely respected and should be in the Cabinet.

Instead he appears to be out of a job or a MoS at most.  

WTF?

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#89)

These imports from business or the unions never work.  I remember it being first tried out by Wilson bringing Frank Cousins in. Faiure. And Thatcher bringing in Young. Failure. The reason is that the people brought in are not parliamentarians but are ingrained in business 'politics' or union 'politics' very different from politics 'politics'. Lord Snow was brought in as Arts Minister, although he could write about the corridors of power, he never felt comfortable actually exercising it. No just let them sit in as appointed peers in the Lords and make a contribution.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#93)

As the Times Peter Riddell say's 'The main question mark is over Peter Hain at Work and Pensions since, for all his political energy, he is not seen as a details man'.  I car'nt see him pushing through much needed welfare reform.  I'd have thought Stephen Timms would have been perfect for the role.  I guess Brown thought that Hain should be a) rewarded for sucking up to him for months, b) for NI, c) for getting some support in the deputy leadership contest.  Awful decision, and I feel for Timms, it smacks of putting square pegs in round holes.  It's interesting how many people are pleased that Denham has returned, it does seem Brown is trying yet again to try and distance himself from Iraq by spin.  If he want's our troops out he should say so publically, rather than give the impression that their will be some change in foreign policy when it's rather unlikely.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#95)

Why in the name of God is Margaret Hodge still a Government Minister?

I am unhappy, to put in mildly.

Re: Open thread: Brown's first government (#96)

I didn't think it possible that I could be nostalgic for Blair.

This government is a dog's breakfast.

Cabinet Minister boredom roll call (#97)

Paul Flynn has a most amusing blog on how boring various new ministers are, from John Hutton up to the good humoured Lord Grocutt!