Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour

... could you make it up? Gordon Brown just got a big present. Ever so surprisingly, Tory blogs have not advertised this fact yet...

Update 3.38pm.

OK, so now Conservative Home and Iain Dale have caught up.  I say "caught up", but both their entries are timed before mine. I did look closely at the Conservative Home and Iain Dale sites before I posted and there was nothing there. Perhaps most interestingly, Iain Dale's entry is timed 2.48pm but no comment is posted before 3.23pm. Is there an innocent explanation for this, or should Manic be told? (The Conservative Home comments show an entirely plausible timeline.)

Text of Davies' resignation letter

V weird things going on with the poll, apologies, I must have deleted it while updating.

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Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#1)

So what? Beware of Tories bearing gifts.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#3)

And I should have added that the first Bill that Brown should introduce in the House is for MP's who suddenly have a touch of concsience, to resign their seat and stand again for what they truely believe. And we could start with Clare Short. Lets put an end to this ridiculous crossing of the floor; electors deserve to know  and are entitled to know the mettle of those who are supposed to represent them.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#2)

Great news! The Tories are tearing themselves apart.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#4)

Not  good news at all. No doubt  QD  will be in the Cabinet soon.If Brown's  Govt is attractive to a Tory, how can that be , er, a good thing?

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#5)

You may be taking the poll too seriously Grim. Note the inverted commas I placed around the word left.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#6)

Well the way we win elections is precisely by appealing to people who wouldn't normally consider voting for us.

It shows that Mr. Davies is rejecting Cameron's values and joining ours.

Watching the Tories beat themselves up is always amusing - even you must agree on that!

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#7)

Quentin Davies' letter to Cameron:
<br><br>

I have been a member of the Conservative Party for over 30 years, and have served for 20 years in the Parliamentary Party, in a variety of backbench and front bench roles.<br><br>

This has usually been a great pleasure, and always a great privilege.  It is therefore with much sadness that I write you this letter. But you are entitled to know the truth.<br><br>

Under your leadership the Conservative Party appears to me to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything.<br><br>

It has no bedrock. It exists on shifting sands. A sense of mission has been replaced by a PR agenda.
<br><br>
For the first 19 years of my time in the House, in common I imagine with the great majority of my colleagues, it never occurred to me to leave the party, whatever its current vicissitudes.
<br><br>
Ties of familiarity, of friendship, and above all of commitment to constituency supporters are for all of us very strong and incredibly difficult to break.
<br><br>
But they cannot be the basis for living a lie - for continuing in an organisation when one no longer has respect for its leadership or understanding of its aims.
<br><br>
I have come to that appreciation slowly and painfully and as a result of many things, some of which are set out below.
<br><br>
The first horrible realisation that I might not be able to continue came last year. My initial reaction was to suppress it.
<br><br>
You had come to office as leader of the party committed to break a solemn agreement we had with the European People's Party to sit with them in the EPP-ED Group during the currency of this European Parliament.
<br><br>
For seven months you vacillated, and during that time we had several conversations.
<br><br>
It was quite clear to me that you had no qualms in principle about tearing up this agreement, and that it was only the balance of prevailing political pressures which led you ultimately to stop short of doing so (though since then you have hardly acted in good faith in continuing with the agreement, for example you never attend the EPP-ED Summits claiming that you are "too busy" - even though half a dozen or more Prime Ministers are always present.)
<br><br>
Of course I knew that you had put yourself in a position such that if you did not leave the EPP-ED Group you would be breaking other promises you had given to colleagues, and on which many of them had counted in voting for you at the leadership election.
<br><br>
But that I fear only made the position worse. The trouble with trying to face both ways is that you are likely to lose everybody's confidence.
<br><br>
Aside from the rather significant issues of principle involved, you have of course paid a practical price for your easy promises.
<br><br>
You are the first leader of the Conservative Party who (for different reasons) will not be received either by the President of the United States, or by the Chancellor of Germany (up to, and very much including, Iain Duncan Smith every one of your predecessors was most welcome both in the White House and in all the chancelleries of Europe).
<br><br>
It is fair to say that you have so far made a shambles of  your foreign policy, and that would be a great handicap to you - and, more seriously, to the country - if you ever came to power.
<br><br>
I have never done business with people who deliberately break contracts, and I knew last year that if you left the EPP-ED Group I could no longer remain in a party under your leadership.
<br><br>
In fact you held back and I tried to put this ugly incident out of my mind and carry on.
<br><br>
But the last year has been a series of shocks and disappointments. You have displayed to the full both the vacuity and the cynicism of your favourite slogan 'change to win'.
<br><br>
One day in January, I think a Wednesday or Thursday, you and George Osborne discovered that Gordon Brown was to make a speech on the environment the following Monday.
<br><br>
You wished to pre-empt him. So without any consultation with anyone - experts, think tanks, the industry, even the Shadow Cabinet - you announced an airline or flight tax which as you have subsequently heard from me in a long paper (which has never been refuted) and I am sure from many others, is certainly defective and contradictory - and in my view complete nonsense.
<br><br>
The PR pressures had overridden any considerations of economic rationality or national interest, or even what would have been to others normal businesslike prudence.
<br><br>
Equally it seems that your hasty rejection of nuclear energy as a 'last resort' was also driven by your PR imperatives rather than by other considerations. Many colleagues hope that that will be the subject of your next u-turn.
<br><br>
You regularly (I think on a pre-arranged PR grid or timetable) make apparent policy statements which are then revealed to have no intended content at all. They appear to be made merely to strike a pose, to contribute to an image.
<br><br>
You thus sometimes treat important subjects with the utmost frivolity.  Examples are 'inequality' (the 'Polly Toynbee' moment - again you had a paper from me!), marriage and the tax system (even your own Party Chairman was unable to explain on the BBC what you really meant) and, most recently, mass consultation of the public on policy decisions. (In view of your complete failure to consult with anyone, within the Party or outside it, on many of the matters I have touched on, or on many others, the latter was perhaps intended as a joke).
<br><br>
Of course I could go on - up to three weeks ago when you were prepared to stoop to putting forward a resolution on Iraq (demanding an inquiry while our military involvement continues) which it was admitted at a Party meeting the following Monday (by George Osborne in your presence) was motivated by party political considerations. That was a particularly bad moment."
<br><br>
Believe it or not I have no personal animus against you. You have always been perfectly courteous in our dealings. You are intelligent and charming.
<br><br>
As you know, however, I never supported you for the leadership of the Party - even when, after my preferred candidate Ken Clarke had been defeated in the first round, it was blindingly obvious that you were going to win.
<br><br>
Nor, for the same reasons, have I ever sought office in your shadow administration.
Although you have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreliability and an apparent lack of any clear convictions, which in my view ought to exclude you from the position of national leadership to which you aspire and which it is the presumed purpose of the Conservative Party to achieve.
<br><br>
Believing that as I do, I clearly cannot honestly remain in the Party.  I do not intend to leave public life. On the contrary I am looking forward to joining another party with which I have found increasingly I am naturally in agreement and which has just acquired a leader I have always greatly admired, who I believe is entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country which I fully share.
<br><br>
Because my constituents, to whose interests of course I remain devoted, are entitled to know the full background, I am releasing this letter to the press."

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#8)

Quentin Davies' letter to Cameron:


I have been a member of the Conservative Party for over 30 years, and have served for 20 years in the Parliamentary Party, in a variety of backbench and front bench roles.

This has usually been a great pleasure, and always a great privilege.  It is therefore with much sadness that I write you this letter. But you are entitled to know the truth.

Under your leadership the Conservative Party appears to me to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything.

It has no bedrock. It exists on shifting sands. A sense of mission has been replaced by a PR agenda.


For the first 19 years of my time in the House, in common I imagine with the great majority of my colleagues, it never occurred to me to leave the party, whatever its current vicissitudes.


Ties of familiarity, of friendship, and above all of commitment to constituency supporters are for all of us very strong and incredibly difficult to break.


But they cannot be the basis for living a lie - for continuing in an organisation when one no longer has respect for its leadership or understanding of its aims.


I have come to that appreciation slowly and painfully and as a result of many things, some of which are set out below.


The first horrible realisation that I might not be able to continue came last year. My initial reaction was to suppress it.


You had come to office as leader of the party committed to break a solemn agreement we had with the European People's Party to sit with them in the EPP-ED Group during the currency of this European Parliament.


For seven months you vacillated, and during that time we had several conversations.


It was quite clear to me that you had no qualms in principle about tearing up this agreement, and that it was only the balance of prevailing political pressures which led you ultimately to stop short of doing so (though since then you have hardly acted in good faith in continuing with the agreement, for example you never attend the EPP-ED Summits claiming that you are "too busy" - even though half a dozen or more Prime Ministers are always present.)


Of course I knew that you had put yourself in a position such that if you did not leave the EPP-ED Group you would be breaking other promises you had given to colleagues, and on which many of them had counted in voting for you at the leadership election.


But that I fear only made the position worse. The trouble with trying to face both ways is that you are likely to lose everybody's confidence.


Aside from the rather significant issues of principle involved, you have of course paid a practical price for your easy promises.


You are the first leader of the Conservative Party who (for different reasons) will not be received either by the President of the United States, or by the Chancellor of Germany (up to, and very much including, Iain Duncan Smith every one of your predecessors was most welcome both in the White House and in all the chancelleries of Europe).


It is fair to say that you have so far made a shambles of  your foreign policy, and that would be a great handicap to you - and, more seriously, to the country - if you ever came to power.


I have never done business with people who deliberately break contracts, and I knew last year that if you left the EPP-ED Group I could no longer remain in a party under your leadership.


In fact you held back and I tried to put this ugly incident out of my mind and carry on.


But the last year has been a series of shocks and disappointments. You have displayed to the full both the vacuity and the cynicism of your favourite slogan 'change to win'.


One day in January, I think a Wednesday or Thursday, you and George Osborne discovered that Gordon Brown was to make a speech on the environment the following Monday.


You wished to pre-empt him. So without any consultation with anyone - experts, think tanks, the industry, even the Shadow Cabinet - you announced an airline or flight tax which as you have subsequently heard from me in a long paper (which has never been refuted) and I am sure from many others, is certainly defective and contradictory - and in my view complete nonsense.


The PR pressures had overridden any considerations of economic rationality or national interest, or even what would have been to others normal businesslike prudence.


Equally it seems that your hasty rejection of nuclear energy as a 'last resort' was also driven by your PR imperatives rather than by other considerations. Many colleagues hope that that will be the subject of your next u-turn.


You regularly (I think on a pre-arranged PR grid or timetable) make apparent policy statements which are then revealed to have no intended content at all. They appear to be made merely to strike a pose, to contribute to an image.


You thus sometimes treat important subjects with the utmost frivolity.  Examples are 'inequality' (the 'Polly Toynbee' moment - again you had a paper from me!), marriage and the tax system (even your own Party Chairman was unable to explain on the BBC what you really meant) and, most recently, mass consultation of the public on policy decisions. (In view of your complete failure to consult with anyone, within the Party or outside it, on many of the matters I have touched on, or on many others, the latter was perhaps intended as a joke).


Of course I could go on - up to three weeks ago when you were prepared to stoop to putting forward a resolution on Iraq (demanding an inquiry while our military involvement continues) which it was admitted at a Party meeting the following Monday (by George Osborne in your presence) was motivated by party political considerations. That was a particularly bad moment."


Believe it or not I have no personal animus against you. You have always been perfectly courteous in our dealings. You are intelligent and charming.


As you know, however, I never supported you for the leadership of the Party - even when, after my preferred candidate Ken Clarke had been defeated in the first round, it was blindingly obvious that you were going to win.


Nor, for the same reasons, have I ever sought office in your shadow administration.
Although you have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreliability and an apparent lack of any clear convictions, which in my view ought to exclude you from the position of national leadership to which you aspire and which it is the presumed purpose of the Conservative Party to achieve.


Believing that as I do, I clearly cannot honestly remain in the Party.  I do not intend to leave public life. On the contrary I am looking forward to joining another party with which I have found increasingly I am naturally in agreement and which has just acquired a leader I have always greatly admired, who I believe is entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country which I fully share.


Because my constituents, to whose interests of course I remain devoted, are entitled to know the full background, I am releasing this letter to the press."

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#10)

Do we need this three times?

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#11)

no, just 2 times

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#15)

This is pretty damming stuff. It has teeth as it comes from their personal dealings. It’s not a journalist, it not an armchair expert, it’s not some jerk throwing wild opinions – it’s a snapshot of what Cameron’s been like to deal with and really looks bad.

A word of caution: What makes politics off putting to people is the grim and predictable pleasure one party takes in the turmoil of an opponent.

Someone has just agonised and come to over to our point of view – I think we can be happy about it but let’s not delight in it.

It may not be long before (indeed it hasn't been long ago) we’re defending some indiscretion or media hyped story.  

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#9)

The tories are in absolute crisis.

Tony Blair will humiliate Cameron tommorow at his final PMQS.

In the Tory PR bunker, you can be certain they are in panic moad.

It's all falling to pieces for them, while in the Labour Party we are getting our act together, new leadership, a new beginning and NEW LABOUR!

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#12)

It's all looking rather good at the moment I must say!

The Tories are in absolute panic mode - it's the beginning of the end for Dave.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#14)

What he says chimes with a lot of concerns i've felt about Cameron, that he is nothing but a PR man. We often refer to the unacceptable face of capitalism - Cameron is the unacceptable face of politics. Someone with no principles or values, concerned only with success and how high he can rise. For him a career in politics has been no different to a career in banking, or accountancy or PR - it was simply another vehicle for personal ambition. It is extraordinary that he has undertaken in just a few months a political repositionining that took Labour a decade to achieve. It indicates a total lack of conviction, well thought through policy ideas, or any coherent project for government.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#19)

A "left" Tory, eh? Quentin Davies is a homophobic, pro-fox-hunting, anti-union, anti-minimum wage Thatcherite headbanger.

That he believes he shares Brown's vision for the future of the country says it all.

I've written about the full story behind Quentin: http://laboursfightback.blogspot.com/2007/06/lower-than-vermin.html 

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#20)

Thanks jonesy for putting the record straight.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#21)

It is true that he has very little in common with Labour but that is besides the point.

I suspect the only reason why he has joined Labour is to embarrass Cameron and not because he believes in Labour values.

He won't be given a place in the Cabinet and he probably will stand down (or be voted out) at the next general election, so it doesn't really make a difference to us.

Let's just be happy that he's kicked the Tories and given our party a quick boost - let's not take his joining of the Labour party too seriously.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#23)

Some ofus do take the labour Party - and its values - seriously. There is nothing  remotely amusing about a right-wing, homophobic, anti trade union creep being welcomed by  our Leader.Is there?

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#24)

The reason why he is being 'welcomed' is to maximise embarrassment to David Cameron. That's a good thing, yes?

His views are not typically Labour but as I said, if it maximises damage to the Tories then we should welcome his defection. He won't be given a government job and he'll probably leave Parliament pretty soon, so it's no big deal.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#25)

Your position smacks of the death of politics. It's certainly politics for the sake of politics. We oppose the Tories because we oppose everything they stand for - which includes, for example, homophobic bigotry, and contempt for working people and opposition to measures to improve their conditions.

Your position seems to be we need to embarrass David Cameron simply because he happens to be on the other side. Without any principled differences, politics just because a team sport - we're fighting the other side just because they're the other side.

We should be fighting those politicians who hate our unions, hate giving working people rights, and hate gays - not welcoming them into a party founded to fight against such hatred.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#27)

So what would you propose? Do you think Gordon Brown should have rejected Davies' defection? If so, I find that rather bizarre as it would demonstrate that Brown has the inability to 'stick the boot in' Cameron. Of course Brown is going to welcome such a defection and I imagine most people within the party would think the same.

Your position seems to be we need to embarrass David Cameron simply because he happens to be on the other side.

Indeed! At the end of day, if we truly want to see an anti-union, anti-workers, homophobic bunch in power, then we would let the Conservatives win. But we don't, so we need to do everything in our power to embarrass Cameron and his cronies so they don't get into power and we do. That's the realpolitiks of the situation.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#28)

funny. I've heard people saying he's more left than Brown, and he was a 'wet' in the 80's.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#34)

Crossing the floor, changing parties or elegancies has been happening since day 1 of humanity and politics. To say this 'smacks of the death of politics' is naive.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#35)

Jonesey, i'm inclined to agree with you about the nature of the man that's been let in to the Labout Party, but not what to do about him.


He's said he is happy with role on the backbenches, and it's clear he isn't ministerial quality. I don't think Brown willl offer him a job. It's good publicity for the Labour Party in government, and we can at least agree on which is, more so in your case, the lesser of two evils, Brown or Cameron.

What is worrying is that he may get selected in a safe Labour seat, and there the fight should begin. I think most people in the Labour Party would agree that preventing homphobes getting selected is moral imperative.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#36)

It's bad news for Cameron today and tomorrow and good news for us.

By tomorrow evening he'll be forgotten. I suspect he won't be given a job and won't get safe seat.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#32)

I bet you he gets Northern Ireland - Brown's obviously got something in line for Hain.

Hope he leaves Tessa as is.

This week is full of it! New Labour attractive to tories - Tony gets an envoy job - that's the reason we wanted him out - to keep his nose out of the middle east and out of Bush's pocket.

I am counting the days to tearing up my card.....

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#38)

Quentin Davies Northern Ireland Secretary? In the words of Papa Doc Paisley Never Never Never!

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#13)

Not a household name, and whenever this happens some on the Left get uncomfortable, but this is very good news as it will be a huge blow for Cameron and his attempts to claim the centre ground where elections are won and lost. He has been struggling to keep his right wing on board and now finds he is losing people from the other wing of his Party. As long as he is signed up to the aims and principles of the Labour Party he's welcome.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#16)

I say this is good in that it damages the Tories, but this Tory should under no circumstances be given a cabinet position.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#17)

Yes, I agree Otware. His predecessor Woodward was elected for St Helen's in 2001, got a junior minister's position in 2005. I can't remember what happened with another Tory defector, Alan Howarth? Wasn't that pre-97?

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#22)

Be aware of men in blue baring gifts.

Wiseman

St Helens South and Whiston

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#18)

Yes I would agree with that and I very much doubt he will get a Cabinet position.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#29)

However much this may embarass the Tories, I have no trust for people who cross the floor- it smacks of political opportunism, and I live in a constituency where our former Tory MP defected to Labour. It was, apparently, the most exciting thing that ever happened for Labour in this area, but I wouldn't trust that MP as far as I could throw him, and I don't trust Davies either.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#30)

Just found out that Davies is a Europhile Thatcherite. And against equal gay rights. Why is he joining Labour?????????????

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#31)

This is a sad day, when a climate sceptic, homophob, anti trade unionist, thatcherite joins the Labour party.

Next thing we know, Tebbit, Lamont and Thatcher herself will join.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#33)

Well New Labour is carrying on their economic policy, so I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#39)

In one area Quentin Davies seems somewhat old Labour, thinking laissez-faire capitilsm just won't do,  the nuclear power industry:

"However, that does not mean that we should simply sit back and wait and see what the market delivers. It is important for the state—Government and Parliament—to be a little more decisive and to be prepared to take a number of strategic decisions about what eventual outcomes the country needs.

 ... Those are reasons why we should not adopt a laissez-faire policy; we should not just sit back and say, "We will do lots of studies and so forth, but we cannot control the outcome because it is all left to the market." Given the three factors that I have mentioned, the state must accept the responsibility of establishing a clear, explicit strategy and it must be prepared to take such measures as are necessary to ensure that it can be achieved."

As Brown's younger brother, Andrew Brown, is EDF Energy's Head of Press, that's a nice fit then.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#37)

I can understand the arguments being made that accepting Davies leads to maximum embarassment for the Tories but I think we need to look at the big picture - defections aren't new but at a time when people think that idealism and values have totally disappeared from politics this hardly looks good. Given he voted against equal rights for homosexuals and he voted against the minimum wage, we should have told him to go screw himself.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#40)

Anybody been watching the debate on newsnight with him and alan duncan?

My god what an odious, pompus little bugger alan duncan is.



Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#41)

Please don't call him a bugger.  In context it is rather unpleasant.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#42)

Absolutely. Duncan is gay so  not clever to use the "b" word, is it ?
Davies is an odious, creepy right-wing little shit.Is this the best we can do ? It's a stunt, an unpleasant stunt, and undermines Brown .What's most nauseating is the fact there are  dozens of DECENT MPs in the Labour PLP .Yet this no-mark throwback  gets prime air-space the night before Blair departs. Bad PR.Blair would  have had the nouse to realise  QD is poison. Brown just wants to show how right-wing he is. Disgusting.......

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#43)

What a world...I'm not impressed by Brown's behaviour recently.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#44)

I think you're over-reacting a bit here.

Also, it isn't wise to tell someone else off for use of inappropriate language and then call someone "an odious, creepy right-wing little shit". Hardly sends out the right message.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#45)

Take  back the "s-word" But the rest is fair enough.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#46)

"Blair would  have had the nouse to realise QD is poison."

Poppycock, Blair would have welcomed him with open arms.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#48)

His sexuality means nothing to me so don;t try and lecture me, and since when has it been restricted to gay people anyway?

And those of you trying to lecture me have used equally offensive language when talking about other tories and even some of our own.



Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#49)

When was the last time you wrote anything positive?

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#47)

the poll's my fault, i made it the main poll for the site but didn't realise that would detach it from this story

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#50)

Question is would anyone on this site suppport him as future Labour candidate?

If so, then on what basis and politics?

If not then maybe we all have our answer.

By welcoming an MP that is fundamentally opposed to Labour values for the sole purpose of electioneering and posturing then Brown is proving that he is just as capable of engaging in the same principle-less politics as Cameron.

This is the same criticism of Cameron by Davies' that has been lauded by others on this site.

At least we should be consistent.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#51)

QD should face a normal candidate selection process, which he will stand no chance of winning in even the most right-wing CLP.

Re: Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour (#52)

Quentin Davies seems to have joined the Labour Party by accident. A multi-millionnaire pro fox hunting MP who has joined the Labour Party just because he disapproves of Dave Cameron. No other reason.