McDonnell: We must learn the lessons

We must learn the lessons

John McDonnell
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The trend in recent years has been for Labour to dip at local elections, but to bounce back at general elections. However this cycle is unsustainable: at each election that dip is getting deeper, and our recovery less. On the basis of last night, the best we could hope for is a hung parliament at the next election.



Having canvassed with Labour candidates in Scotland, Wales and in several English local authority areas, I was not surprised that our vote held up better than was touted. However, we should not believe our own propaganda - playing up fears of a wipeout in the media may soften the blow of these results but, make no mistake, these results are certainly not good.

A share of the vote of just 27% is deeply worrying. The swing against Labour averaged between 5-7% across Britain. Although it is a crude analysis, if this was replicated at a general election the Tories would either be the largest party in a hung parliament or might just scrape an outright majority.

To learn the lessons of last night, we must understand and address what has increasingly turned off our voters, and what has demoralised and weakened our activist base.

By the time all the counts are completed, hundreds of Labour councillors will have been voted out not for their own personal or collective failures, but because of the way New Labour has alienated so many voters and and our own activists - on whom elections are won and lost. One positive is the lack of a breakthrough for the BNP, who fielded more candidates than they have for a generation.

In Wales, Labour remains the biggest party and voters have certainly recognised the "clear red water" between Welsh Labour and New Labour. Even so, if the results of last night were replicated in a General Election, we would lose eight Labour MPs.

In Scotland, the SNP ran a basically negative campaign with little to say about how they would improve Scotland. The fact that they have polled so well is testament to the strength of latent anti-Labour sentiment upon which they have capitalised.

If we as a party are serious about devolution, then we must respect councils and nations enough to determine their own agenda. When I was a GLC councillor, we won and held London as Labour was imploding nationally - running popular campaigns against the Thatcher Government and fighting on our own agenda.

As part of my leadership campaign, which has won the support of a number of local councillors, I am advocating strengthened local government so that councils have the power and resources to address the needs of their communities. In key areas such as regeneration, housing, and education, local councils have lost considerable powers to respond to their communities' needs.

The significance of yesterday's election is to reinforce the message that there is a need for a thorough and objective debate about how our party can re-inspire the broad coalition of support that brought us to power in 1997. Many will have felt relief that this was no wipeout, but it was only a reprieve. We must not repeat what happened to the Tories in the 90s, when they never took that opportunity and eventually went down to cataclysmic defeat.

Parties don't lose overnight, there is a gradual erosion of their base and electoral machine, which leads to sometimes cataclysmic defeat.

Our supporters need re-inspiring and our coalition rebuilding. What better method could there be than a democratic debate for the leadership involving all our members and affiliates?

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/john_mcdonnell/2007/05/we_must_learn_the_lessons.html

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Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#1)

Note, we must also learn the lessons of four general election losses in a row, and therefore not even consider electing someone from the left of the party to be leader.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#3)

Did you know that Harold Wilson won 5 elections for Labour???? What's more, is that he did so without being a Blairite (in case you thought anything else). He certainly was no McDonnellite, but he was far to the Left of Blair.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#4)

No, actually Wilson won four general elections as Labour leader (1964, 1966, 1974 Feb. and 1974 Oct.).

I suggest you brush up on your history of the Labour Party!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#5)

True, but only the result of a Typo - 5 is right next to 4 on the key-board... Though it is fair to say that Wilson 'won' the referendum on the EC and, thus, a fifth election. Be that as it may, it's still one more than Blair!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#6)

True, but only the result of a Typo - 5 is right next to 4 on the key-board

Haha! You can't get out of it that easily!

Wilson's 1966 and 1974 Oct. victories only occured because he had won such small victories in the previous elections - so in reality he only won 2 proper victories. Blair won three clear full-term victories - one more than Wilson.

Plus, if we're discussing referenda victories as well - Blair won three regarding devolution to Scotland, Wales and London. So that's 6 victories in total! You really need to brush up on your party history mikael!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#7)

Well if you want to keep at that level, be that way... Btw, I didn't count the referendum as an additional in the Blair Vs. Wilson debate:

Be that as it may, it's still one more than Blair!

is what I said - thus I only counted the FOUR (to avoid typos)  general election victories! Maybe you should "brush up" on your reading!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#9)

Never mind mikael. You lost that argument but better luck next time! Don't feel too disheartened will you!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#10)

I don't think I did, but you are right never mind... I mean, I do have a hard time believing that you think I did not know the number of Wilson victories. Now, I felt that the main argument was that concerning Blair and his "unprecented number of victories for Labour", which clearly isn't true - whether Wilson won 4 or 5 elections! I do however admit that, in truth, Blair's victories have lasted longer, that's quite indisputable, I am afraid....

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#13)

You are afraid? I'm astonished how someone can have such animosity to a great Labour leader as Blair.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#14)

A great Labour leader who:

1) Hasn't kept most of his promises  (rail, pensions).

2)Has managed to alienate Labour's traditional supporters - just look at this week's elections, and they reflect at most a "mid-term" as far as the Party is concerned. In the longer term, it's the Party's traditional base which must be expanded/built upon, not some imaginary "centre".

3)Has brushed aside/neglected Party democracy.

4)Has "torpedoed" the Party's relationship with the Trade-Unions!

In truth, "election-winning" shouldn't be a Party's only concerns. At least not as far as a Party such as ours, a Labour Party of the working-class - is concerned! What matters is correct policy, the T.U. link, and rejection of,  as well as political and ideological opposition to, the Tory Party! Blair has emulated too much of its "behaviour" and has, I AM AFRAID, produced policies to its Right in many cases!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#15)

Has "torpedoed" the Party's relationship with the Trade-Unions!

All the more reason why he's a great leader! Hopefully Brown will finish the job.

Labour isn't just for the working classes - it's for everybody.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#17)

"Labour isn't just for the working classes - it's for everybody."

Two remarks:

  1. With Blair it has clearly run the risk of not being a Party of the working class at all!

  2. Does the name Labour (synonimous to "Work") not indicate the opposite of what you just claimed....

without the working class Labour is NOTHING -or at least no more than the Conservative Party or LibDems!

"Has "torpedoed" the Party's relationship with the Trade-Unions!"

Why do you fail to take the Blairite destruction of this formidable working relationship seriously???? The Unions provide clean money and a vital link with the Working-class, accept it or leave! This is why I previously suggested you join the Tories (or LibDem - take your pick!); I mean, if you don't want to relate to the Unions they are YOUR PARTY. If you ran a poll (you seem to like to do so!) asking Labour Party members whether or not they want to maintain an organic link with the T.Us you would clearly see that only a pathetic minority of members share your views. If you then set up the very same poll in the Tory Party (for obvious reasons, the word "maintain" would have to be replaced by the word "resume"), you would find that your position is shared by an absolute majority of your fellow Conservatives!

How can you fail to understand what even Luke Akehurst seems to have gotten hang of!!!!????!!!!!!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#2)

How predictable.There is  lots  to be learned  from these elections. I'm sure most of us will take  this   on board

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#8)

'What's the point of being in politics, if you can't speak up for the people who can't speak up for themselves?' John Smith

This is the true measure of politics. Not election victories. But helping people. Just because Blair has been our 'most successful leader' doesn't mean he has been Labour's most successful PM. He won 3 elections. Some may say Wilson won 2/4 elections. Attlee won 2. Which PM changed the weather of British politics? Which PM, along with Thatcher (despite my loathing for her) is regarded as the greatest PM of the 20th century? Which PM had the most radical legacy/agenda? Who out of those three, in Thatcher's words, was 'a serious man and a patriot'? and which part of the same quote 'Quite contrary to the politicians in the 1990's, he was all substance and no show', was directed towards Tony Blair?

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#11)

But the sham is that McDonnell is unlikely to make the ballot paper.  Spoke to my MP last night and apparently Dennis Skinner is backing Brown according to him!

Bring on as many candidates as possible - come on John Reid, Charles Clarke and John McDonnell.  Says a lot about the current PLP when neither a Blairite candidate or candidate of the left can challenge Brown.

The PLP is obviously full of arse lickers and careerists.  Where is the democracy in the party these days.  They can't all be after jobs and nothing else can they?

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#12)

Skinner??? Backing Brown????? Really???

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#16)

Oh dear! Seems McDonnell can't even win over his own kind. What a loser!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#18)

Your men (Miliband, Clarke, reid et al.) don't even have the guts to run! Think before you speak, JR!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#23)

Clarke is certainly not 'my man'.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#24)

Get over the "personality"-complex, will you??? How are his policies any different from boy David's or Raving-Right-Reid's????

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#25)

That's it! REALLY lay into JR! He deserves it!

Hitler, Marx and the Careerists! Everyone pick a side and pick up a weapon!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#26)

"...Hitler...!"

A mentor of yours, perhaps????

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#27)

I thought, of the three, I was a careerist?

Oh well.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#28)

I haven't mentioned careerists at all! Again, a self-imposed label!

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#29)

Unlike implying that Hitler was possibly a mentor of mine?

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#30)

Well you're the one who's been going on an and on about it for the last two days.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#31)

or should I say, "on and on about him"...

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#32)

Talking about someone make them your mentor?

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#33)

No, of course not. What I was suggesting is that you brought up "Hitler" and "Fascism" in the first place.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#19)

Skinner has not yet declared his position. I think your MP is referring to a rumour which went round months ago.

Watch this space, I guess

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#20)

That's what I heard anyway..  Still, again alot of this is rumour I suppose.  If it is the case Skinner has shifted very far to the right.  I know he is a Labour Party loyalist but so are most in the campaign group.

Skinner is backing Hilary Benn for Deputy so he could well support Brown.  If so would be very dissapointing.

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#21)

Tony Benn supporting Hilary.....

Re: McDonnell: We must learn the lessons (#22)

I am mistaken,

Just found out it is a Brown camp rumour that they have got Skinner.  Apparently, he is yet to make up his mind but I guess he is likely to support McDonnell.