Newsnight Poll - Cruddas to win deputy leadership

Wiseman Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:59:10 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

It seems to me that there is only one person who can admit to mistakes in their past and has the honesty to become the next deputy leader and that is John Cruddas.  He should have backed John McDonnell, but that is in the past now.  He is honest and to the point.  He easily out shone 4 ultra blair babes and decent performing Harriet Harman on the night and the Newsnight poll showed this.  Lets just say I feel this it is a done deal for Cruddas.  I have toured many consituencies recently (outside of london) and I can tell you where cruddas is not winning he is coming second and many trade unionists will back him.  Be warned he is not complacent. PS I will have grim and jonesy back on board even if I have to read a page of JR blogs.





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Newsnight Poll - Cruddas to win deputy leadership | 20 comments (20 topical)

Re: Newsnight Poll (#1)

by JR on Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:47:01 PM GMT

Wishful thinking wiseman. The day he becomes deputy leader is when hell freezes over.


Re: Newsnight Poll (#2)

by Lorin on Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:57:32 PM GMT

The day you stop being horrible to everyone is the day hell freezes over.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#3)

by JR on Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:59:21 PM GMT

What's horrible about wanting this party to succeed? And it will not succeed if we have people like Cruddas as deputy leader. The day you talk some sense will be the day hell freezes over.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#5)

by Lorin on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:07:16 PM GMT

Just stop thinking you know everything, you don't. Even though I support Benn I think Cruddas will be good. Know why? Because they actually care about that party members think, unlike you who would willingly be blair's door-mat.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#8)

by grimupnorth on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:00:56 PM GMT

Wiseman, you must be joking. "Honest and to the point." No. He and his "left" colleagues stitched John McDonnellup, helped ensure we got a coronation, and now he's still got the gall to court left votes by talking abour re-nationalising the railways and being anti-Trident. Call me stupid but how does he hope to achieve that under GORDON BROWN.??? Still, Gordon will be pleased he has cruddas's backing on nuclear power stations.I'd rather have my teeth pulled out with a rusty nail than vote for him. Proper left politics is anything but in the past. Once we get this Deputy leadership debacle out of the way, we can start to campaign for a real left agenda. There's only one leader for the Left of this Party and that's John McDonnell. Whichever person wins the Deputy Leadership. Hope to seeyou @ LRC conference Wiseman.....


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#11)

by mwell on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:21:12 PM GMT

grimupnorth, can I just ask you to please name the 16 Cruddas nominators who failed to nominate McDonnell. In other words, ones who didn't back Gordon Brown by the first day of nominations, and who might potentially have been amenable to nominating McDonnell.

I don't believe that Cruddas had the power to dictate who his nominators should pledge their leadership vote to, but in any case it would be helpful to know exactly which MPs you are referring to so that we can evaluate the plausibility of the claim that Cruddas prevented the contest.

Otherwise, I have to say that the accusation has become pretty tiring.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#12)

by grimupnorth on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:55:11 PM GMT

I hate to point this out but there is such thing as a moral compass.I simply can't square Cruddas's policy platform with his actions. It's as simple as that. No, he isn't God almighty nor could he dictate to other MPs.But he knew activists wanted a contest and he had also been challenged on many occasions to declare his hand. If he really REALLY wanted a debate and to renew the Party he would have taken a different tack. The only reason I raised the issue again was in response to a comment by Wiseman asking me to get on board.......If you want a fair-minded and interesting account of the leadership debacle read "The Next King Of Scotland" - a piece on Alan Simpson MP's website.I really have nothing else to say on the issue.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#14)

by lastword on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:11:14 PM GMT

"I really have nothing else to say on the issue". Thak God for that!


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#15)

by jonesythered on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:07:42 PM GMT

If 35 MPs had nominated John on the first day, he would have ended up on the ballot paper. I'm not sure if you are aware of the state of play between the Cruddas and the McDonnell camps in the last few weeks before nominations opened...?


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#18)

by mwell on Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:29:31 AM GMT

I'm sure that John would have had a decent chance if he'd started with 35 nominations. My point is that you should focus on what was ever possible. That's why I'd like to see a plausible list of names that Cruddas could have delivered.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#19)

by jonesythered on Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:41:10 AM GMT

Yes, well, history reveals all! Well not always but quite a lot of the time...


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#13)

by Wiseman on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:03:52 PM GMT

Dear Sarah I know how you must feel like I do, but we are letting people like JR gloat!!. Anyway I appreciate your position. Maybe fighting selby, so not to far away. Wiseman


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#6)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:38:59 PM GMT

And why won't it succeed is Cruddas is deputy leader? I get the impression you are just banging out Blairite rhetoric without even understanding what you are saying. I cannot see how having Jon Cruddas as deputy leader (not exactly as important or significant as party leader) will have any major negative effect on the public perception of the party at all. In fact, it will make the party look better because Cruddas' main selling point is about grassroots democracy, which will endear the whole organisation to the public much more than some slimy dickhead like Alan Johnson being all smarmy and careerist.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#7)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:41:17 PM GMT

Sorry, that is a bit harsh towards Alan Johnson. I take that back. I still don't think much of him, but he has gone up in my esteem since he started making slightly centre-left noises.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#16)

by jonesythered on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:08:56 PM GMT

Yes, but there is a reason why he's suddenly making slightly centre-left noises - and won't be in a few weeks time...


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#17)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:52:13 AM GMT

I really hope he doesn't win.


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Re: Newsnight Poll (#4)

by Loz on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:04:56 PM GMT

I know there's a lot of people cyber campaigning for the guy here, but get real folks, it won't happen. If the party had any sense they'd choose johnson. I'm hopeful that this will happen, but I think things are going benns way, which is a shame. What disturbed me most was the fact they were all trying to be more left wing than each other. The public don't want that, as the mori poll showed, the majority of voters are in the center. We need to stay there with them.


Re: Newsnight Poll - Cruddas to win deputy (#9)

by fluffymike on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:03:35 PM GMT

What last night showed - if anything - was that most of the DL contenders seriously recognise the need to appeal to the Left of the party. Contrary to certain other posters, I would suggest that this indicates a) There is still a considerable left element in the party whose votes they need b) That the DL contenders recognise that the direction over the last 15 years has increasingly alienated the members, c) GB when crowned will be seen as even more undemocratic if he continually ignores that considerable section of the party. What last night also suggested to me is that Hazel Blears would have been as loyal to McDonnell if he were the new leader as she has been to Blair and will probably be to Brown. I've yet to decide if this 'loyalty thing' is a good thing or a bad thing though...


Re: Newsnight Poll - Cruddas to win deputy (#10)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:23:32 PM GMT

I'd agree with that.


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Oh the Irony! (#20)

by jkitleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:56:02 PM GMT

Most of the canidates come from the wing of the party that tells us that if we move slightly to the left, than we will end up with 3 supporters in the entire country, and now they have to make centre-left comments to win the deputy leadership.


Newsnight Poll - Cruddas to win deputy leadership | 20 comments (20 topical)