Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship

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Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#1)

Hilary Benn's 90 seconds. Very statesmanlike. I'm a bit biased but my dad Norman says "Very impressive".

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#2)

Hazel Blears' 90 seconds Quite obviously reading her speech. Norman says "She seems to speak well but I'm not sure what she's done as a minister"

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#5)

"She seems to speak well but I'm not sure what she's done as a minister" maybe I'm the only one with this opinion, but I don't think the party chairman should be in the Cabinet (at least if it's her/his only role). It's a party position and I don't think it should also be a government position

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#3)

Harriet Harman's 90 seconds Quite measured - seemed to me to be just a bit too close to Gordon. Norman says, "She's got a lot of experience"

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#4)

Alan Johnson's 90 seconds "Robin Hood to Gordon's Batman" rather stuck with me. Norman says, "I've seen him on television a number of times and he doesn't really grab me"

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#8)

""Robin Hood to Gordon's Batman" " what has Robin Hood to do with Batman? I know Batman had a Robin, but not Robin Hood!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#30)

Did I miss-hear that or did AJ miss-say it?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#37)

I think you misheard.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#40)

I think he did just say Robin, not Robin Hood.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#41)

OK - let's presume I'm wrong until we see the inevitable Youtube upload

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#68)

It was defeintly Robin!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#6)

Peter Hain's 90 seconds Seemed in a hurry to me. Not sure either that he is personally responsible for saving South Africa and Northern Ireland on his own. Norman says, "Don't think we have full unemployment just yet - there's still a million people unemployed"

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#35)

Peter Hain claimed to have brought the peace settlement to Northern Ireland! Hilarious. The man is tragic.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#7)

Jon Cruddas' 90 second. Again, in a hurry and focused on building up the party. Norman say, "Maybe he should start by rebuilding the party in Dagenham".

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#31)

He has!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#34)

Don't blame me - that's dad's comment - though Dagenham does have a bit of a dinosaur reputation for East London CLPs, however unfair that might be.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#42)

I think the stats show that Dagenham has increased it's membership every qarter for a very considerable time.

I was at a reception in Jon's constituency last Friday and it certainly seemed healthy enough!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#9)

Iraq: Regrets, I've had a few.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#10)

Harriet and Jon regretting their support for the war, very much with Harriet following Jon's line. Hazel and Peter regretting but saying to move on - Hilary and Alan pressing the importance of having got rid of Saddam Hussein and looking forward. Norman says, "They're all very naive not to have forseen the mess Iraq's in now... and it's very unfair of them to put Hazel next to Hilary"

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#61)

Did Hazel Blears try to claim that there were WMD in Iraq or did I get the wrong end of her stick? I think the frequent references to Iraq being a "difficult" situation constituted the understatements of the century...

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#11)

What's Gordon going to bring to the Party?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#12)

You can see an indent on the side of cruddas' head where he clearly wears glasses. Just an observation.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#13)

WOW - they've really kicked off. Harman has attacked the government (in which she serves) over a recess announcement of new stop and question powers - Hain and Hazel get into a tiff over how it happened. Hilary comes off best but Paxman asks him something different on trust

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#36)

I don't like Hazel but I gave her 100% support when she was laying into the Hain!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#14)

Short questions Trident, Nuclear Power and Charitable status for private schools

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#15)

This seemed a bit messy with lots of caveats applied to simple yes/no questions. Alan Johnson seemed to stick most to yes/no answers

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#38)

Not as much as Jon Cruddas, if I recall.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#44)

Jon performed very well in this round of questions.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#46)

Depends on your perspective - for me, he was by far the worst in that part.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#47)

I can understand you disagree with what he was saying but surely you can appreciate that he was giving straight answers?!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#69)

Why did they just not answer yes/no to the questions when Paxman put them in that manner? I Johnson and Cruddas did it properly. The rest of them look really silly adding cavats. The worst was when Harman tried to wriggle out of Trident, when she had voted for it. Very cringe worthy.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#103)

i couldnt agree more. watching Harriet make a grab for the left vote was sickening. This is the woman who pushed thru the cuts in single parent benefits in the first term. this is the woman who voted for trident only a couple of months back. she has no backbone at all. how stupid does she think we all are?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#16)

Has the last ten years just been a dream (more like a nightmare)? or have I just witnessed 6 Blairites denounce Blairism and all its evils!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#56)

Well I'd say Blears is still loyal to Blair. She's going down with the sinking ship, I think. Can't knock her for sticking what she believes in though - even if it does make my skin crawl. Hopefully a sign of things to come!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#70)

I think that's wishful thinking on your part. Even if some of the Deputy Leadership Candidates might pander to the soft left, Gordon Brown will continue to follow the 'New Labour' agenda.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#17)

Got a bit lost on this next question - caps on academies? sharing aspirations? Inequality? A bit of bickering breaks out. Hilary gets the best opportunity by speaking after the bickering ends. Raises the line - "We've taken 600,000 children out of poverty - now we have to focus on getting the next 600,000 children out of poverty". Norman says, "they're a bit divided aren't they".

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#18)

HH - "we don't have to have the stinking rich" this gets better and better

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#19)

Should there be a cap on election donations?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#20)

Everyone seems to think that there should be a lower cap on spending. Cruddas thinks the Labour Party has been bought by big business. Blears is put on the spot by Paxo over cash for honours being on "her watch" - quite unfairly I think. Alan seems to be a bit vague and Peter wants something Scandinavia's got.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#80)

I think Jon said there was a feeling amongst the public that all political parties had been bought by big business. That's not quite the same as saying that we have been bought!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#104)

SO he thinks that the public is wrong then, presumably?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#105)

Well it is not clear is it. ALL the other deputy leadership campaigns are mostly funded by private money. I don't see why we can't follow the sensible route of "maybe occasionaly PFU is regreattably sensible and the only option" instead of pretending that it is the be all and end all of Labour government policy. I didn't join the Labour Party to expand Tory stragies to bring private sector involvement into public services.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#106)

Of course I meant to say "PFI" how embarasssing

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#21)

Should there be an amnesty for illegal immigrants?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#22)

How would you differ from John Prescott?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#23)

Harman would kick Tony and his legacy in the nuts. That's how she would differ...

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#24)

It becomes a silly row about job titles. Alan makes an excellent pitch for being similar to JP

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#71)

I thought it was good point by Alan about JP, easy to knock him, but if you read most books about New Labour by the likes of Seldon, Rawnsley you will know that JP has played a crucial role.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#25)

Who would be your second preference

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#26)

Hain refuses to answer Cruddas says Harman Harman waffles "can you ask the other while i have a think?" Hazel refuses Benn refuses Johnson refuses

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#27)

My personel view; JC needs to assert himself more, PH is coming over the better of all, HBENN seems to be a bit snooty, AJ comes across as smarmy, HH keeps saying sorry (a bit late for that H), HBL although I dislike her she does bring a bit of life to the debate, but she lacks any substance in her arguments

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#28)

Norman says, "Interesting to hear their views and the differences between them. Hilary and Peter Hain came off well - almost equal those two. They have all got their strengths. I wouldn't say anyone came off particularly badly - but at the bottom you'd have to say Cruddas and Johnson. I think Blears would more or less go with whoever was leader and not necessarily fight her corner. Harman might be more likely to stand her ground".

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#29)

Harman was the best.....Johnson and Blears abysmal.But none exactly inspiring......

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#32)

On the betting markets: Moved against Hain, Blears improved rest stayed about the same. Johnson pulled back closer to Benn. Not enough fireworks for me.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#64)

Thanks, interesting shift here...If Jeremy had only asked their view of Guido rather than their 2nd preferences...It would help me if Newsnight followed up by wheeling in those "real voters" who preferred David Cameron before that Conference speech (and placed John Reid first for Labour..). Thankfully the electoral college gives me three affiliate votes (GMB, Fabians, CSM) and one as Party member so any indecision may remain final.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#33)

Hmmm. Very interesting.

My conclusion from the evening's events:

Cruddas is definately going bottom of my list - I didn't like what he had to say and I didn't like his personality.

Harman has rapidly descended down my list. She's sucking up far too much to left and the fact that Cruddas endorsed her is a big negative in my book.

Hain was ok, but he's still a bit of an idiot, so I'm not ranking him too highly.

I liked what Blears had to say - pragmatic and generally Blairite and is full of enthusiasm as always. But she lacks 'gravitas' if that's the right word - she might make us look like a laughing stock. But overall she was the third best in my view.

Now I'm torn between the big two. Johnson has a lot of good to say, but wasn't outstanding tonight. Benn on the other hand really impressed me. He came across as very statesman-like and looked competent and he wasn't as dull as I expected him to be. But occasionally he does swing between outright leftieism and then in the same breath goes on about how he's in favour of Iraq, Trident and nuclear power stations, so it's hard to judge him.

But I really am torn now between Benn and Johnson - I think I'll need to wait a bit longer before making my final decision. But the biggest loser of the night for me was Harriet Harman - being endorsed by Jon Cruddas is like being kissed by the devil and she's lost my support completely.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#43)

Hilary came over well, but I much preferred what John and Harriet actually had to say. Schools, inequality, immigration. I'd put Alan just slightly behind though. I'm afraid Hazel just confirmed my views of her as ultra Blairite. We need some visible change at the top, she isn't it lets be honest.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#72)

Before Newsnight I was minded to vote for Alan Johnson, I thought he did quite well. He gives the impression that deputy leadership is not the be all and end all for him, where as Harman and Hain seem to be obessed by it. I liked the fact that Johnson was prepered to say to messers Harman, Hain and Cruddas that we should not go down the politics of envy, it's not always a popular message but it's the correct one. I thought Hiliary Benn was good, for the simple reason that he defended the Iraq war in coherent and logical manner which was a joy to hear. The easy option was to do what Harman did, but Benn stuck by what he believed was right. I'm not sure about Benn he seems to waffle alot about 'new politics', it does not mean a great deal. I'm also not sure where he stands on domestic issues. I'm still minded towards Alan Johnson providing he does not do any more silly interviews like in the Daily Telegraph trying to pander the left. Cruddas was good in parts and if he does get the deputy leadership he should be given a role by Brown perhaps as party chairman?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#73)

I think that's the sort of role Cruddas has in mind. Abolish the role of unelected chair and transfer the responsibilities to Deputy Leader. It's a discgrace that we've had an appointed Chair for so many years.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#95)

I think their is probably a stong case for Brown giving a role to Cruddas even if does not win the election. If Johnson or Benn win they will probably run a department and be DPM, it's doubtful they will be able to do much on building up the membership. So maybe Brown will appoint Cruddas as party chairman or in a similar role? Something needs to be done about re-building the membership, especially in the South.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#77)

Benn isn't defending the war, he's defending the idea of removing Saddam Hussein. It wasn't the question at the time, and it isn't the question now.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#39)

Cruddas was very solid and honest. I was mightily impressed and, since invoking relatives is the order of the day, so was my mum. Harman put in a good performance, until she fluffed a decision over her second preference. At least Cruddas answered the question and said what he thought. Meanwhile, Hain is finished. Pompous, arrogant and so obvious all the others hate him.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#45)

Completely agree. I'm a Cruddas supporter but I have a certain respect for all the other candidates except for Hain. His references to his apartheid days are now frankly getting boring and I couldn't believe the man's hypocrisy in criticising Jon Cruddas for being willing to talk about taxation policy in the context of creating a more equal society. He seemed to be saying Cruddas was being too much of a leftie. But Hain's been the one going on about ending fatcat City bonsuses! And then trying to bitch about Cruddas' lack of ministerial experience was pathetic IMO. Lowered the tone.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#49)

Yes Hain didn't come out looking great. His constant bleating about anti-apartheid and ANL is getting boring, and is of little relevance compared to the actual policies that Cruddas was putting forward.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#50)

Yes Hain didn't come out looking great. His constant bleating about anti-apartheid and ANL is getting boring, and is of little relevance compared to the actual policies that Cruddas was putting forward.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#48)

Cruddas and Harman had the best things to say. They were both very good.

Benn was academic and enthusiastic, but seemed to lack substance in terms of actual policies (kept refering to what Labout had already done).

Johnson was totally uninspiring.

Blears was as reactionary and nauseating as ever.

Hain looked and sounded weak.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#51)

Jon Cruddas was superb. He was relaxed, polite - I liked the fact that he started off by saying "good eveing" when the rest (especially Hain) just shouted their speeches out like they were thumping a nail or something. Jon was also honest and didn't mess about when asked who else he would support. Nice touch to say Harriet. Shows that Jon and her are playing this game like adults instead of competing children having tantrums. I keep saying this but Cruddas is gonna win this. He was absolutely excellent tonight.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#75)

Er, no he wasn't actually. It's between Benn and Harman.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#82)

Benn looked competent, confident and relaxed, I'll give him that. However he didn't say anything remotely new or interesting.

I'm still not sure what he actually wants the job to be. On the one hand he says that he doesn't want to be DPM and deputy leader is honour enough, on the other hand he really isn't a pitch for the campaigning role that Cruddas and Blears want.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#65)

"Blears was as reactionary and nauseating as ever." - pretty much most of what she said could have come from the mouth of a middle-of-the-road Tory. Absolutely vile.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#67)

She has an obession with the centre ground, and yet a large number of her policies are more at home on the centre-right, if not mainstream average Tory!

The party needs to reposition on the centre-left, nothing can be clearer from what was seen today. Blears is totally out of touch...she's stuck in a fantasy world where the New Labour image is an assett.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#83)

Full credit to Blears - she stands her ground instead of pandering to the left like that backstabber Harriet Harman.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#96)

Problem with Blears is that she has a very annoying voice, everytime she appears I am minded to reach for the mute button of the remote control or change the channel. I imagine many other people are like this. I would imagine she'd win prizes for most annoying politican in the UK. Would it be the end of the world if she was banished to the backbenches after this leadership election?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#97)

I would hope she stays in the Cabinet, but yes, she is too annoying to be deputy leader.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#52)

So many questions arise: if Harriet Harman wants the next deputy leader to be a woman, why would she not commit to supporting Hazel if she herself was not standing? Why did Peter Hain feel the need to make a last snide comment to Cruddas regarding his lack of ministerial experience, when neither Blair nor Prescott had any when they took over the reins in 1994? Why does Hazel come across so well at many other hustings but not on the TV? If there was a winner on this show, surely it was Cruddas - to the point, relaxed, frank and fresh, compared to some old faces who have been around some time?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#54)

Yes I would say that Cruddas 'won' the debate. As far as I could tell, Cruddas and Harman were the only 2 to actuallt declare anyything major - the rest just tried to dodge the question mostly. However Harman was sucking up to the left, as opposed to being the left. As such Cruddas has the policies and the integrity. He was by far the best.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#53)

I'm on a roll - thinking about live-blogging The Family Guy

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#55)

Hain, having failed to dupe the 'leftie' vote, has resorted to snide comments and defamatory media briefings. Unfortunately, he has failed to realise his behaviour simply makes him look more mean-spirited and unplesant than he did before. His campaign is moribund and he is trying to take others down with him. Disgusting.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#57)

I refer you to the Newsnight website where as of 00:24 Cruddas is the clear winner in the public eye, with 45.08% saying he won the debate.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#58)

And Hain on 0.67% no less.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#59)

Hain really was pretty dire.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#60)

I refer you to the Newsnight website where as of 00:24 Cruddas is the clear winner in the public eye, with 45.08% saying he won the debate. Really? I just tried to vote but it wouldn't work...Where did you see the results?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#62)

You see the results after you vote.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#63)

Ta. It keeps crashing or something. Never mind...

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#66)

The one thing that stuck out from the Newsnight debate was that Jon Cruddas seemed to be the only person to give a straight answer to many of the questions. I do like that. I thought Harman did quite well, Benn was quiet but decent, Johnson was really disappointing, Blears looked terribly short and was robotic in her Blairism, Hain was outrageous for claiming he delivered peace in Northern Ireland and made a few nasty and snide remarks. Overall, I thought Cruddas and Harman stood out the best and I was not previously inclined towards Harman at all . Mrs G, who is a Labour member but doesn't go to any meetings (and certainly doesn't listen to me) previously expected to be voting for Blears and then Hain. Her conclusion at the end of the show was that Blears was `dreadful, simple and deluded', Hain and Johnson were `both smug and just in it for themselves', Benn was nice in a `churchy kind of way', Cruddas was `pretty good' but that Harman was the most impressive.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#74)

"Hain was outrageous for claiming he delivered peace in Northern Ireland and made a few nasty and snide remarks."

What pissed me off straight out the gate with him (and to be honest it doesn't take much for Hain to piss me off!) was his "I led the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa".

Nelson Mandela must be so grateful to him for doing that. Absolute twat.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#76)

LMAO! I bet Paisley and Adams are grateful to him as well for bringing an end to conflict in Ireland. Let's just send Hain out to Iraq as a peace envoy!

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#78)

Let's just send Hain out to Iraq period...

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#79)

From a non-Labour view, for what it matters I watched the debate to take a view on the person vying to be..well, this is the point actually - are they hoping to be my country's deputy prime minister, or, are they just fighting to be the deputy leader of a political party? So, from the rough notes I made... Cruddas - impressed. He is clearly the small fish in the pond, but had a lot of clear, and honest responses. Blears - the chipmunk drove me nuts. Reading from a prepared script did not impress me. I was not convinced by her "move on, move on" attitude to every question. Harman - she seems to stand back from her own answers sometimes, if you know what I mean, but seemed fair and reasoned. Putting the boot into the current leadership may not help her though. Benn - the best natural performer and the strongest responses to questions, but he seemed prone to leaving out full details when pressed Hain - never being a fan of the man, his attempt to lay claim to bringing peace to all corners of the world drove me mad. He seems quite eager to become an authority on everything which is not convincing at all Johnson - strong if a bit lacking in detail, I thought he was the more natural media performer. Now, this was all very good television, but what the nation surely wants is a Newsnight special with Brown, Cameron, and Campbell....

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#81)

I think you're right thats what most people would want. My only worry is that Browns real substance may be lost to a few media friendly soundbites and spin from a certain PR man, which would be a shame. Other than that though I honestly think Brown would wipe the floor with Cameron? Anyone agree?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#84)

Not really. If Brown has any sense he won't agree to do any debates until the general election. His personality simply will not match Cameron's and that's all the media will pick up on.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#87)

I'm not so sure, if Cameron comes across as lightweight and lacking anything more than soundbites thats all we need.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#88)

You may not have noticed JR, but Cameron really can't hold a candle to Blair. While Blair can still after 10 years speak with an almost unmatched passion and sincerity, Cameron is already starting to sound patronising and devoid of substance. Gordon may not have the charisma of Blair, but I have no doubt than in any debate that he will expose David Cameron's lack of substance.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#89)

I hope you're right.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#98)

It will be interesting to see if Brown agree's to a debate with Cameron and Campbell nearer to a General Election. Blair's argument against TV debates was always that he debates with the party leaders every week at PMQs. Also Blair was ahead of each of the Tory leaders he faced in the polls, so he had most to lose in a TV debate if it went badly. I would imagine Brown would make a judgment depending on the polls, if behind it would probably worth the risk, if ahead it's not worth it. We shall also have to see how Brown does against Cameron at PMQ's.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#85)

Latest Newsnight poll numbers are

Hilary Benn 8.69%
Hazel Blears 9.94%
Jon Cruddas 37.25%
Peter Hain 7.10%
Harriet Harman 20.05%
Alan Johnson 15.45%
1761 Votes Cast

Blears and Hain have greatly improved since from their dismal numbers just after midnight following poor performances (Hain was 0.67%) - smell a supporters campaign there. Personally I was most most surprised by Harman who gave a honest and somewhat feisty performance, and Cruddas did well; both reflected in their good numbers in this poll.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#86)

The idea that Benn would only get 8.69% of the vote is laughable. Obviously the lefties have been out in force pushing the Cruddas and Harman buttons all night long. If you want a real indication of how things are going, look at the bookie odds - there Cruddas and Harman don't stand a chance. It's between Johnson and Benn.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#90)

Benn was well down right from the start in the poll, and Cruddas even higher to begin with, so if leftie chipmunks are out pushing buttons, they've been going right from the start rather than in response to a campaign call. Hain and Benn have had a burst, so are most likely to have had campaign calls to vote. The nerd in me has been tweaked, so I've pulled these numbers for various times from my firefox cache:

Time 00:55 01:15 11:43 13:16
Votes cast 515 558 1761 2178

Hilary Benn 3.88% 4.48% 8.69% 9.04%
Hazel Blears 10.68% 10.93% 9.94% 10.61%
Jon Cruddas 44.08% 43.91% 37.25% 36.59%
Peter Hain 1.55% 1.97% 7.10% 7.71%
Harriet Harman 18.64% 18.64% 20.05% 19.97%
Alan Johnson 15.92% 15.23% 15.45% 14.83%

(Sorry about the format, labourhome doesn't allow HTML TABLE in postings.)

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#92)

Yes I was especially surprised to see Hain's support rise so much. Looks very suspicious to me - I can't see how anybody would genuinely think he won that debate. He was crap.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#100)

Hain didn't have as much a burst as you imply, because what you didn't record is the fact that roundabout 23:30, Hain had 4% (and Benn had 17% by the way! 37% Cruddas, 18% Harman, 17% Johnson, 17% Blears, all figures rounded to the nearest whole number). On politicalbetting.com, some people were watching the figures noted that it was actually mathematically impossible for them to jump up and down to the extent that they had been doing, so either someone hacked the poll or the BBC periodically make corrections to get rid of suspected multiple votes - who knows? The figures above are ones I noted down myself, but you might find some more that other people noted down at the relevant pb.com post.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#102)

For nerdish completeness, here's the Newsnight poll table extended to near poll closure. No major change through the afternoon and evening, though votes cast near doubled. Cruddas remains the clear winner here, Hain the loser.

Time 12:55 01:15 11:43 13:16 15:10 17:12 19:00 20:51
Votes cast 515 558 1761 2178 2704 3140 3445 3697

Jon Cruddas 44.08% 43.91% 37.25% 36.59% 35.91% 34.90% 35.18% 35.30%
Harriet Harman 18.64% 18.64% 20.05% 19.97% 19.82% 20.06% 19.97% 19.29%
Alan Johnson 15.92% 15.23% 15.45% 14.83% 15.42% 14.62% 14.31% 13.88%
Hazel Blears 10.68% 10.93% 9.94% 10.61% 10.36% 10.80% 11.03% 11.98%
Hilary Benn 3.88% 4.48% 8.69% 9.04% 9.69% 10.64% 10.80% 10.93%
Peter Hain 1.55% 1.97% 7.10% 7.71% 7.80% 8.12% 7.92% 7.90%

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#91)

Maybe the result of the poll has something do to with the fact that only Harman and Cruddas had any definite policies - the others just waffled, bullshitted, dodged the question and resorted to snide remarks.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#93)

Honest? They suck up to the left even though they know it will cost us the election. Hardly a noble thing to do is it? Harman and Cruddas were the most deluded candidates out there. I'd rather Hain got the position than either of those two and that's saying something.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#94)

Cruddas's hypocrisy in claiming expenses for his second home in Notting Hill is extremely off-putting. Nonetheless that strikes me as nothing compared to the disgusting sight of Hain and Harman especially, though to a lesser extent the others too, acting almost as if the last 10 years had nothing to do with them. Cruddas (for that reason) and Blears came out best.

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#99)

A good point, did Cruddas not work in Downing Street for Tony Blair has an advisor on Union relations?

Re: Blogging Newsnight - the deputyship (#101)

He did. He worked on employment policies such as the minimum wage, the new deal and so on.

I'm sure he didn't always agree with everything that was said and done in Downing Street, but that's life. Those policies are ones we can be proud of.