CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm - Benn storms grassroots campaign

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CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm - Benn storms grassroots campaign | 65 comments (65 topical)

Benn (#1)

by Wiseman on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:10:04 PM GMT

Alex this increasingly looking like a Benn v Cruddas battle in the heartlands. Benn won my clp after beating Jon Cruddas and it is the same in the surrounding constituencies. Cruddas will still be getting my vote though. John


Re: Benn (#3)

by JR on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:14:24 PM GMT

Hardly wiseman. Given that Cruddas is being beaten by Johnson and is level with Harman on CLP nominations - it can hardly be seen as a 'Benn v. Cruddas' fight. I think that's wishful thinking on your part!


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Re: Benn (#9)

by Sensible Comrade on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:41:17 PM GMT

But how are the union votes going to go? Cruddas has some of the biggest players backing him and enthusiastically propagandising the Cruddas cause.


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Re: Benn (#12)

by JR on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:44:03 PM GMT

Oh I have no doubt that the unions will back Cruddas in droves! Which probably means, he'll do terribly in the membership and MP votes.


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Re: Benn (#17)

by Sensible Comrade on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:32:48 PM GMT

Well, I'm not sure about that! You really do hate the unions don't you? Say what you like about our brothers and sisters in the unions, I think it reflects well on Cruddas that he is the only candidate whose campaign is being funded by union money as opposed to loans and donations from business friends. I hate to mention Tory scumbag Guido Fawkes but his latest blog entry is about where Comrade Benn is getting his money from...I suppose it is inevitable that these campaigns are going to be expensive and the money has to come from somewhere, but I don't like it. If all these candidates are so good at representing Labour's grassroots why don't they all have unions sponsoring them?


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Re: Benn (#19)

by petercoe on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:43:00 PM GMT

But that's not true is it: Hazel Blears is getting backing - financial, as well as political - from USDAW. To claim that Cruddas is the only candidate being funded by union money is just wrong.


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Re: Benn (#24)

by Sensible Comrade on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:19:41 PM GMT

That is of course true and credit to Hazel. And infact according to this report Peter Hain got some ASLEF money as well. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/15/nbrown415.xml So I should instead be claiming that the Cruddas campaign is the only one that seems to be wholly union financed...


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Re: Benn (#25)

by Sensible Comrade on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:22:34 PM GMT

Why doesn't it let me edit my original post?! I don't want to get on the wrong side of the Blears!


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Re: Benn (#26)

by Andrea on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:33:18 PM GMT

According to the Electoral Commission's register of donations, the 6 contenders got money from:

Benn: Mr Mark Paul McDonald, Mr Kevin D McGrath, Mr Gilad Hayeem and Lord Parry Mitchell

Blears: Wilkinson Star Ltd and Mrs Isabell Harrison

Cruddas: Amicus and TGWU

Harman: Ken Follett

Johnson: Dr Reg Race, Lord Kumar Bhattacharyya, A A Care Homes, Lord David Sainsbury, MKM Building Supplies Ltd, Mr William Law, DMQA Holdings, Wykeland Group Ltd

Hain: Mr William Frederick Bottriell, Mr Christopher Campbell, Mr Robert Davies, Mr Terrence Albert Johnsey, Mr William W Dobbin, Mr Loughlin Hickey, Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers & Firemen, Mr Jashu Shah, Mr David Williams, Mr Neville Allport


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Re: Benn (#27)

by JR on Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:30:02 PM GMT

No, I was only having a joke! I don't hate the unions, but I do think they tend to vote far further to the left than the ordinary membership would.


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Re: Benn (#30)

by jonesythered on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:37:26 AM GMT

The "ordinary" party membership voted for 4 leftwingers for the 6 constituency places on the NEC last August, JR.


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Re: Benn (#15)

by otware on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:45:50 PM GMT

Good point. As far as the unions go, I can't see Hain, Blears or Harman doing very well at all.


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Re: Benn (#4)

by grimupnorth on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:23:44 PM GMT

Benn hasn't been hyped at all and he still gets almost double the CLPs of Cruddas.Looks like the Benn brand still strikes a chord....my CLP didn't nominate anyone we were so disgusted at the shenanigans over the leadership. But looks like it's benn v Johnson.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#2)

by JR on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:12:06 PM GMT

Hilary Benn, nice man though he is, hardly has the dynamic presence that we need for a Deputy Leader does he? Given that the new PM hardly has a 'winning personality', wouldn't it be better to have a deputy leader who can actually inspire people to vote for us.

Hilary Benn would make an excellent Foreign Secretary but I'm not really convinced he should be deputy leader.


Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#5)

by lastword on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:36:17 PM GMT

JR, on that we can agree.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#7)

by otware on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:40:07 PM GMT

I agree - the question is, which one has a winning personality?


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#31)

by jonesythered on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:38:33 AM GMT

You see, this is what I feared all along - because there's no substantial political differences between the candidates, it's just going to degenerate into a personality contest.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#41)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:41:15 PM GMT

Well the way I see it Cruddas, Harman and Blears have policies. Hain, Jonson and Benn seem to just offer more of the same, with very little substance at all.

In my opinion, Blears is objectionable and would make a terrible deputy - but I respect her for at least having a policy base.

Harman and Cruddas are coming across along the same lines, which surprised me. But I reckon Harman is just aping the left to try and get votes because she knows it's a crowded field on the right.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#8)

by Sensible Comrade on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:40:16 PM GMT

I'll third that, although my conclusion is that the candidate to vote for is therefore Cruddas but you won't agree!


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#11)

by otware on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:44:00 PM GMT

I'm sure, no matter what, Cruddas is going to be one of the front-runners. I really do hope he does well.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#14)

by Westlondoner on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:44:44 PM GMT

It's interesting that CLPs nominating Hilary Benn include Gordon Brown's, Jack Straw's and (the new one for) Ed Balls. Lynne Jones' CLP have nominated Hazel Blears and Gordon Brown (which might explain her retirement from fighting it under the new boundaries). At a quick glance, other John McDonnell nominators' CLPs to have nominated Gordon Brown include those of Dennis Skinner, David Heyes and Ronnie Campbell.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#20)

by petercoe on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:46:10 PM GMT

Yeah, the only fascinating thing about this contest is the way CLPs are voting. Most - but not all - of the hard-left London CLPs; Westminster North, Kensington, Chipping Barnet have backed Cruddas but, like the MPs nominations, there is no rhyme or reason to the DL nominations generally.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#22)

by Andrea on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:10:45 PM GMT

Other CLPs that have nominated in a different way from their MPs include: Westminster North: CLP for Cruddas and Karen Buck MP for Harman Blyth Valley: CLP for Johnson and Ronnie Campbell for Hain Durham City: CLP for Johnson and Blackman Wood for Blears Exeter: CLP for Harman and Bradshaw for Johnson Garston and Halewood: CLP for Blears and Maria Eagle for Hain Islwyn: CLP for Benn and MP for Hain Morley and Outwood: CLP for Benn and Balls for Johnson (and Challen for Hain) St Helens South and Whiston: CLP for Benn and Woodward for Hain Rochester and Strood: CLP for Benn and BMA for Hain St Helen North: CLP for Benn and MP for Cruddas Loughborough: CLP for Cruddas and MP for Johnson Coventry North East: CLP for Harman and MP for Johnson Coventry South: CLP for Benn and MP for Johnson Those are the ones I spotted...I'm sure I've missed some


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm (#23)

by Andrea on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:11:42 PM GMT

ops, poor editing. Sorry. I always forgot that it doesn't automatically leave a space...


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CLP numbers (#6)

by Andrea on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:38:11 PM GMT

I suppose that how large a CLP is also matters...having the support of Tottenham CLP is probably more important than having the nomination of North Devon CLP (ok, I just picked a seat with lost of Lab voters and one where Lab is not strong, assuming that the level of membership would reflect it...what I wanted to say was that 1 CLP with lots of members can carry more importance than a CLP with few members)


Re: CLP numbers (#10)

by otware on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:42:03 PM GMT

Also, what is the actual real importance of CLP nominations other than to show regional trends in support for individual candidates?


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Re: CLP numbers (#13)

by alsoleeds on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:44:40 PM GMT

Also this vote won't be won on first preferences so it is interesting to see who has the least nominations which may indicate who will get knocked out early, lets see the final numbers on friday and then a more informed commentariat can start.


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Re: CLP numbers (#16)

by otware on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:48:34 PM GMT

Do you think it's fair to say that if Blears is knocked out after the first preference count, most of her supporters will have backed either Johnson or Harman for 2nd preference?


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Re: CLP Nominations (#18)

by hbrompton on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:38:35 PM GMT

Goodness me. Calm yourself down, Ladies. Benn has a lead in nominations but let's wait until they're all in. Two factors: 2nd pref will decide this, no doubt. On that I reckon Johnson will take a healthy % of 2nd pref. Benn will prob not. The woolly minded, bleeding heart liberals who give Benn 1 will give 2nd pref to one of the sisters. Odds on. But, will Benn appeal to grassroots members who weren't armtwisted along to nominations meetings - ie: the vast majority - in sufficient numbers - me thinks not. Partly because he's too posh for his own bloody good (I blame the upbringing), partly because his campaign has been pants. And, let's face it, it really has. Where does it leave us - straight fight between Johnson and ... wait for it .... Blears. She's cried that many 'shoe-box' stories of late she'll be there or there abouts. JC has talked a good fight but we all know he couldn't deliver. As for Johnson? Am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt - partly because he hasn't once used (as he perhaps should) the childhood/rags to riches tale that Blears has been so good at. My prediction ... Johnson Blears Benn Harman Cruddas Hain


Re: CLP Nominations (#21)

by petercoe on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:49:57 PM GMT

I think this is accurate, both on the issue of 2nd preferences and in your prediction about the Blears candidacy: I'm not supporting her, but she's clearly got some game and is the dark horse of this race.

Unlike Harman, she's actually giving more reasons to vote for than just because she's a woman (which is a quite lamentable argument on its own) and just look at the (admittedly unscientific) poll about the deputy leadership elsewhere on this site, she's polling very strongly.

The same sort of result emerged from the (also unscientific) Newnsight straw poll after the hustings at the Institute of Education a couple of weeks ago.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#28)

by Ian G on Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:45:47 PM GMT

"JC has talked a good fight but we all know he couldn't deliver"

Eh? What on earth do you base that on?


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Re: CLP Nominations (#32)

by petercoe on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:37:47 AM GMT

Well to be fair, looking purely at the electoral college I think it highly unlikely that Cruddas can win, so on that basis he can't deliver. After all, he's going to get very little support in the MPs' third, and there are no figures showing him polling well enough among members to offset that, even if he does mop up a sizeable chunk of the TU third.

In all likelihood, he still goes out in the second or third rounds (Hain going out first), given that I think Hazel Blears will do well enough in first preferences (plus decent support among MPs and with USDAW) to come in the top four first time round (I actually reckon she'll place third in the first round but get very few transfers and hence fall back quite rapidly thereafter).

But I suspect that the non-delivery comment may have been intended to refer to his ability to work alongside Brown given his platform is so evidently completely out of synch with the government Brown intends to run.

And whether you agree with his politics or not, giving Brown a Deputy he can work with, not be at war with is going to be a factor for a lot of members, not unreasonably.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#34)

by Ian G on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:54:50 AM GMT

Only Harman and Johnson were significantly ahead of Jon in the PLP. He's got the backing on the largest trade union, he's not doing to badly in terms of CLP nominations and he is doing well in hustings. I would say Hain and Blears will go out in the first rounds, and after that it's anyone's guess. The fact that Jon has nominated Brown and has got the support of a few well-known Brownites indicates that he can work with him. Jon is not an oppositionalist.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#37)

by petercoe on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:44:14 PM GMT

Whether you agreen with him or not, the stances Jon was taking last night were diametrically opposed to the government: on Trident, on Nuclear Power, on tax; pretty much the gammut of touchstone issues.

There's no way that a deputy leader, whether in the cabinet or not (and he quite evidently couldn't be in the government with those positions - though that doesn't appear to stop Hain or Harman from slagging off the government they've been a part of for years) could hold those views and not be in constant conflict with his own government.

I appreciate that quite a few on the left would love such a scenario. The public - and most party members would not.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#39)

by doctordunc on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:53:29 PM GMT

As far as I understood, Cruddas backed Brown on nuclear power? Anyway - he's managed to subsume all these instincts for most of his career, I'm sure he'll do so again when he's in the government (as I'm sure he will be, even though I don't think he'll win DL). It seems reasonable that collective responsibility is suspended for candidates during an election, otherwise we might as well not bother with an election... (Where've I heard that before?)


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Re: CLP Nominations (#43)

by Sensible Comrade on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:25:15 PM GMT

Petercoe you're talking rubbish. Cruddas is pro-nuclear power and pro-ID cards. He's described Blair as a political genius. Is the party incapable of having an honest intelligent debate without resorting to having to pidgeon hole people as 80s style lefties if they happen to have some different ideas.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#42)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:46:34 PM GMT

I doubt Blears will do very well at all. She might strike a chord with some of the more extreme Blairite elements of the PLP, but her support base is minimal on all fronts. She is not a forceful enough character to win it on personality and her policies are too similar to Johnson and Benn who are both better placed to win it than her.

I wouldn't write off Cruddas like that. He's doing well in the CLP nominations and if he can finish ahead of Harman and she is eliminated, I wonder how many 2nd preference votes will be redistributed to him?

I know the odds are stacked against him but he does stand a chance, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Cruddas.


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Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm - Benn storms grass (#29)

by stephencurran on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:17:28 AM GMT

Hopefully more CLPs will take part as far too many missing...so wide open. Our all-member nomination meeting in Glasgow South on Thu 31st, frantically faxing our decision before close next day. Scottish hustings then follow in Glasgow on Sat 2nd. How can we second guess the vast majority of members who won't attend meetings to discuss this? Surely union backing could sway more voters in our electoral college than any CLP/MP support?


Re: CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm - Benn storms grass (#33)

by petercoe on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:39:23 AM GMT

Plenty of CLPs are actively not nominating though: Putney (which one might have thought would opt for Hain, at least before his embarrassing performance on Newsnight) has decided not to. And to be honest nominations are so all over the place that you can't get a meaningful forecast of the members' vote from nominations.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#35)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:20:57 PM GMT

Cruddas - 29 Johnson - 27 Harman - 26 Cruddas has overtaken Johnson and is in 2nd place in the CLP nominations now.


Re: CLP Nominations (#36)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:21:35 PM GMT

damnit sorry forgot about HTML tags...again!


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Re: CLP Nominations (#38)

by petercoe on Wed May 30, 2007 at 05:45:18 PM GMT

I'm sure he'll get a few more, but who activist dominated GCs nominate is a million miles from who sane, have-a-life grassroots members will support.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#40)

by mwell on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:12:25 PM GMT

In terms of selecting a candidate to reinvigorate the party as an election-fighting machine, I have to say that I'd rather we listen to activists than subsciption-only members.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#44)

by HenryG on Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:14:46 PM GMT

CLP nominations: Benn 40 Cruddas 31 Johnson 27 Harman 26 Blears 19 Hain 12


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Re: CLP Nominations (#45)

by otware on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:55:43 PM GMT

That's a pretty impressive result for Cruddas. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't there be considerably more CLPs nominating? I assume all CLPs can nominate - not just those in Labour held constituencies...that would be ridiculous otherwise.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#46)

by bornin84 on Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:08:22 AM GMT

Absolutely all CLPs can nominate. Some will take the decision they don't want to hold nomination meetings, after all what does a CLP nomination mean? My CLP couldn't be bothered to hold a meeting!


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Re: CLP Nominations (#47)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:01:16 AM GMT

It seems like a throwback to the days when the the membership vote was done by a sort of FPTP of CLPs.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#48)

by Glass House on Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:35:37 AM GMT

I suspect that the fact that there are six candidates makes it difficult for most CLPs to come to a view. An all members meeting can have dozens of people at it and I doubt that, in most places, there is a 50%+ majority for a particular candidate, let alone a broad consensus that could legitimately issue a nomination over the wishes of a significant dissenting minority.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#52)

by petercoe on Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:40:35 PM GMT

That's a legitimate (if rather naive) view, but it's not the electoral system Labour has: inactive members' votes count as much as activists. And given activists tend to be way out of the mainstream, thank goodness that they don't have the only say.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#54)

by Andrea on Thu May 31, 2007 at 10:20:19 PM GMT

Are not active members more "mainstream" or do they just tend to vote for the "stutus quo" no matter what the current status quo is?


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Re: CLP Nominations (#56)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 10:36:17 PM GMT

So what you're suggesting is that Labour Party activists are too left wing. Get a life, please.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#60)

by petercoe on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 04:16:20 PM GMT

I'm not suggesting it; all the evidence around - including the somewhat out-of-date survey of members that was conducted after Blair became leader - shows that activists are too the left - often considerably far to the left, of both the wider membership and the public at large.

It's entirely subjective that they're "too left wing" - if we're referring to people like you then that's definitely the case in my opinion.

As for getting a life, well it's the inactive ones - the ones who aren't really turned on by spending most of their spare time being lectured by extremists like you in drafty church halls who I'd argue have one - not the saddos for whom getting 100% attendance at the local government committee is the be-all-and-end-all. Fit the bill, Otware?


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Re: CLP Nominations (#61)

by Andrea on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 04:22:11 PM GMT

"As for getting a life, well it's the inactive ones - the ones who aren't really turned on by spending most of their spare time being lectured by extremists like you in drafty church halls who I'd argue have one - not the saddos for whom getting 100% attendance at the local government committee is the be-all-and-end-all." If all people on Labour's right have the same confrontational attitude you usually employ here, between the Left and the Right, I can see why some people prefer to stay at home instead of going to party meetings....


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Re: CLP Nominations (#58)

by Ian G on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 09:29:13 AM GMT

Lord don't let the activists have the decisive say. They only deliver leaflets and knock on doors, let's listen to the people who stay at home and do nothing instead...


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Re: CLP Nominations (#62)

by petercoe on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 04:25:07 PM GMT

If only what you said were true. The "activists" are the ones who strive to get on GCs, ECs and LGCs; the ones who move ridiculous "turn-the-clocks-back" motions at every chance and cry "betrayal" at anbyone who isn't a Bennite.

They're very rarely the same people who leaflet - in fact it's far more likely that members who couldn't think of much worse than enduring one of the activists' meetings who do the grassroots deliveries.

But clearly Ian you think there should be (at least) two classes of members - how egalitarian of you. But why stop there - how about limiting the ballot to only those who publicly slag off their own government on forums like this?


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Re: CLP Nominations (#49)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 03:29:44 PM GMT

Benn - 50

Cruddas - 48

Johnson -34

Harman - 32

Blears - 25

Hain - 17

Is it just me, or is Cruddas on fire? The trend at the moment is that Cruddas and Harman are chasing down Benn and Johnson respectively. Very interesting stuff.


Re: CLP Nominations (#50)

by chickenlittle on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:45:11 PM GMT

That surge of nominations for Cruddas come in from meetings held the day after the Newsnight hustings. Not hard to guess who won that one.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#51)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:28:21 PM GMT

Benn - 60
Cruddas - 51
Harman - 36
Johnson - 34
Blears - 27
Hain - 19

Benn's pulled a bit more of a lead again. But Harman has just overtaken Johnson. Not that that means much until all the CLPs have nominated, and even then it's hardly particularly relevant. Speaking of which when do CLP nominations close?

I think Hain and Blears will be eliminated quickly. The fight will be between Benn, Cruddas, Johnson and Harman. Benn's the man to beat, and if he doesn't win it I reckon Cruddas will.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#53)

by petercoe on Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:41:40 PM GMT

It's just you.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#55)

by otware on Thu May 31, 2007 at 10:33:55 PM GMT

You don't think that Cruddas is doing well? You know, just because you don't agree with his policies doesn't mean you can't acknowledge he is doing well...


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Re: CLP Nominations (#57)

by lastword on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 12:23:22 AM GMT

Over on Luke Akehurst's blog someone has just written: Results from tonight's Tower Hamlets GC. Cuddas had a fairly emphatic win Harman had no votes Johnson second but a way behind given JimFitzpatricks endorsement and presence at meeting. Benn campaign a bit cheeky - 3 of his staff turned up but who have never ever done any work for the party locally Cruddas endorsed by ex-Council Leader Michael Keith Plently of frustration amongst sensible Cruddas supporters that their candidate also backed but non-campaigning hard left Lots of evidence of Cruddas / Blears AND Blairs / Cruddas support - from members who take their electioneering seriously


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Re: CLP Nominations (#59)

by petercoe on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 04:10:49 PM GMT

I think he's doing reasonably well among the unelectable candidates. I don't think he's "on fire".


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Re: CLP Nominations (#63)

by krindlekrax on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 09:48:50 PM GMT

Of course, it depends on your definition of 'on fire', but Cruddas has 68 CLPs backing him. This puts him second behind Benn (77) and ahead of Harman (60), Johnson (45),Blears (36) and Hain (23). Looks like flames to me.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#64)

by petercoe on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 12:31:37 AM GMT

Indeed, but as I've also pointed out, CLP nominations are totally meaningless to the end result. Is Cruddas going to win? No. Is he going to come close? No. Is he therefore "on fire"? No.


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Re: CLP Nominations (#65)

by otware on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 10:40:34 AM GMT

I'll admit he probably won't win - it's Benn's to loose, so to speak. But I reckon Cruddas is going to do well. I think you'll be surprised, he will come pretty close imho.


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CLP Nominations - Tues 6pm - Benn storms grassroots campaign | 65 comments (65 topical)