NOMINATIONS UPDATE - TUESDAY 6PM

JR Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:35:36 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

The latest nominations for the leadership and deputy leadership elections are up.



As of 6pm Tuesday (45 nominations required):

LEADERSHIP:

Brown, Gordon 282

McDonnell, John 27

DEPUTY LEADERSHIP

Benn, Hilary 34

Blears, Hazel 48

Cruddas, Jon 44

Hain, Peter 49

Harman, Harriet 60

Johnson, Alan 64


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NOMINATIONS UPDATE - TUESDAY 6PM | 47 comments (47 topical)

Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#1)

by Mozzer1989 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:06:55 PM GMT

Am I right to be shocked that Cruddas has got more than Benn? Not sure whether to be pleased or not with Johns amount.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#7)

by alsoleeds on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:46:36 PM GMT

BBC has announced Cruddas has got 4 more in this evening. This takes him to 48 inline with Hazel Blears. Does anybody know with that figure how many DL are outstanding considering that Blair, Brown and Prescott and possibly Mcdonnell won'yt nominate for DL


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#9)

by Andrea on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:49:23 PM GMT

Prescott has nominated Johnson


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#2)

by alsoleeds on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:12:09 PM GMT

No reason why should be surprised.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#3)

by Curlew on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:28:37 PM GMT

Just done a very quick compare - about 52 MP's nominated Gordon Brown when at least one of their CLP appears on John McDonnell's letter. In some cases there was a strong representation in that CLP for John which seems to have been completely ignored by the MP. Now what does this say about democracy and what are we working for?


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#10)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:06:38 PM GMT

But surely MP's make their own decision - they are not being forced by the CLP's. It purely the choice of the MP alone.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#14)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:10:20 PM GMT

It is - but you might expect them to be influenced by their local party members. Ann Cryer, for example, has made it clear that her nomination for John was strongly influenced by resolutions passed by many of the Keighley branches. The nomination process is so PLP-dominated that it seems reasonable that MPs might listen to the views of members when making these decisions.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#16)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:18:02 PM GMT

But surely it could also be argued that some of the CLP's of those MP's who nominated McDonnell would have been more pro-Brown, so it works both ways.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#4)

by Andrea on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:30:44 PM GMT

things looking quite bad for McDonnell. He needs 18 nominations among the 43 MPs left to nominate, but some of them are very unlikely to nominate him (Milburn, Clarke, Byers, Hodgson, Dawd...)


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#5)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:33:55 PM GMT

18 out of 43 is less than half of course! Has anyone got a definitive list of MPs who are yet to nominate?


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#6)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:41:00 PM GMT

(one down, by the way!)


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#8)

by Andrea on Tue May 15, 2007 at 07:48:21 PM GMT

who? Looking fast through the list, those still have to nominate...there're others though (just that I haven't spotted then yet) Begg Byers Cousins Connarty Nia Griffith Dunwoody Frank Field Picking Mullin Winnick Dowd Hodgson McDonagh McKenna Milburn Pound Burgon Cruddas Hamilton Havard Kilfoyle Mitchell Rooney Stringer Trickett Truswell Dismore George Mackinlay Mactaggart Hall Mike Hoey Wright Tony (both of them)


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#11)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:08:21 PM GMT

One of those on your list, I shouldn't say till they're up on the website. I'm fairly confident about several of those, but it's going to be a near thing...


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#13)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:08:36 PM GMT

Even if McDonnell gets the 45, he really will just scrape it. Hardly a confidence booster to start the campaign. And hardly a sign of a potential new leader of the Labour party eh doctordunc?


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#15)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:15:04 PM GMT

If Hilary Benn gets on the ballot paper it's going to be a close run thing (I think he'll get there) - yet if he gets there, he's likely to be one of the two or three favourites to win. The PLP has a huge say in the decision, but (thankfully) they don't make the decision alone.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#17)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:20:46 PM GMT

Yes but to be fair, the MP's / MEP's do hold a third of the final vote! So if people like McDonnell and Benn are struggling to get just 12.5% of MP's on board now, then that will follow through to the actual voting and will make it nearly impossible for them to win their elections.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#18)

by Curlew on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:26:03 PM GMT

Why do you presume that the CLP votes with the MP? Just compare the list and you can see that the Ivory Tower is not listening!


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#12)

by Curlew on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:08:33 PM GMT

Anne Begg/ Joe Benton/ Colin Burgon/ Stephen Byers/ Charles Clarke/ David Clelland/ Ann Clwyd/ Vernon Coaker/ Michael Connarty/ Jim Cousins/ Jon Cruddas/ Andrew Dismore/ Jim Dowd/ Gwyneth Dunwoody/ Frank Field/ Bruce George/ Nia Griffith/ Mike Hall/ David Hamilton/ Dai Havard/ Sharon Hodgson/ Kate Hoey/ Brian Jenkins/ Piara Khabra/ Peter Kilfoyle/ Mark Lazarowicz/ Fiona Mactaggart/ Chris McCafferty/ Siobhain McDonagh/ Rosemary McKenna/ Alan Meale/ Alan Milburn/ Austin Mitchell/ Chris Mullin/ Jim Murphy/ Stephen Pound/ Terry Rooney/ Graham Stringer/ Jon Trickett/ Paul Truswell/ Rudi Vis/ Michael Wills/ David Winnick/ Anthony Wright/ Tony Wright/ .....Should be able to parse this in excel .....Have I made a mistake somewhere?


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#19)

by otware on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:31:12 PM GMT

282 MPs is beyond a joke. I don't see the point of nomination beyond, say, 70 MPs. It's just ridiculous. If McDonnell doesn't get on the ballot paper, Gordon Brown will end up paying for his arrogance at the next election. Hell, he won't even have a mandate to govern the party let alone the country!


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#24)

by Curlew on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:56:52 PM GMT

...and of course every one of those 282 will have to back him in every single vote henceforth


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#20)

by sgthowie on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:42:42 PM GMT

Hi Doctor Dunc, As a McDonnell supporter I too am in a state of despondancy about this? You seem well clued up on his level of support. How many of those 43 do you think he could get?


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#32)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:59:11 PM GMT

I shouldn't be despondent just yet. I don't have any inside information, I'm afraid! I've been doing some furious lobbying, so get a bit of a picture... He COULD get 18. Annoyingly there are a few people that I had hoped for who have nominated Gordon.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#21)

by davidfloyd on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:42:55 PM GMT

Well, looking at those left to vote, I'm putting my order for a 'John and Gordon' on tour t-shirt firmly on hold.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#22)

by davidfloyd on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:47:02 PM GMT

Having said that, I've just gone through and counted the people who in my opinion are either left-wingers or very eccentric, and those who are not well known enough for anyone to care who they do or don't nominate. The total is 18, so if John gets all of them, he's in.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#23)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:56:07 PM GMT

Have any of Meacher's 21 backers given their nomination to Brown now that Meacher's stood down?


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#25)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:59:00 PM GMT

Yes. 3 or 4 so far, that I can see.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#26)

by Andrea on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:05:51 PM GMT

Meacher's backers are one of the most mysterious things of this world after UFOs....


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#28)

by jkitleft on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:26:27 PM GMT

does anyone know who the Meacher backers were? I can count Alan Simpson as one of them.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#31)

by pregethwr on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:48:10 PM GMT

I don't know but I can only see a handful of Meacher probables on Brown's list - it is likely that most of them are among the non-nominators. I know of at least one McDonnell backer of Monday who isn't on his list tonight - he seems to have slippage among his own people as well.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#27)

by sgthowie on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:16:48 PM GMT

Out of the 43 left there are about 10 that McDonnell has a good chance of getting from my limited knowledge. As for the rest there are a few that can be ruled out because they are strong Blairites. The Guardian today asked MP's to nominate John if it was looking like he would be a few short. The leader commented that there would be bitterness within the Labour movement if John was a handful short. It looks like this could happen with him missing by around 5 or 10. He already has the backing of union organisations representing over 200,000 members in the party. The MP's need a rocket up their backsides for this. What will be the result of this: 1) More people leaving the party. 2) Less activism. 3) Less delegates going to conference. 4) Even more CLP meetings not meeting because they are not in quorum. Still, the mathematics make it possible. The remaining non Blairite MP's need to think long and hard about what they do in the next 24 hours


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#29)

by Mozzer1989 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:36:48 PM GMT

I am feeling very pessimistic now.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#33)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:01:50 PM GMT

Try not to feel pessimistic! There's still reason to be hopeful. Also, if the worst comes to the worst, it isn't the end, but the beginning. The campaign for 21st Century Socialism and building the self-confidence of the left in the party is a very important task and can be continued outside the leadership campaign if it has to be (but I'm not resigned to that!)


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#30)

by petercoe on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:38:56 PM GMT

So in other words the world's going to end if McDonnell doesn't get nominated? I don't think so. Sure, there'll be some dismay on sites like this and in the upper echelons of the cloudcuckooland Union Leaderships where the hard left is over-represented, but it won't make a blind bit of difference to the four "consequences" you outline above.

If he falls short look to your laurels: John McDonnell has been in Parliament for eight years; been prominent in the Labour Party for at least thirty and after all that time he's such an inspiring, likeable, charismatic and able chap that a grand total of 27 MPs - including those who just want there to be a contest but wouldn't dream of voting for him - can stomach nominating him. Don't blame MPs for the way this man has (deliberately) isolated himself.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#34)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:02:17 PM GMT

You're a pleasant chap, aren't you?


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#36)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:35:19 PM GMT

Now, now - just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't make them unpleasant.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#37)

by doctordunc on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:51:49 PM GMT

Of course not. For example, I'm sure you're charming. But Peter's comment was rather unpleasant and sneering (not a crime, I concede, but that's how it read).


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#39)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:56:45 PM GMT

Indeed I am!


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#35)

by JR on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:34:51 PM GMT

That is true - if McDonnell can't get the 45 nominations then he has nobody else but himself to blame. His policies have just been far too left-wing for the vast majority of MP's to stomach. But anyway, let's see what happens in the next couple of days.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#38)

by otware on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:53:40 PM GMT

I must say, I am horrified that Glenda Jackson has nominated Gordon Brown. I would have thought she would have been a potential McDonnell voter, and if not at least she would have the forsight to nominate him to give the membership the opportunity to choose a leader. Very disappointing indeed.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#40)

by sgthowie on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:59:29 PM GMT

What about Marshall Andrews as well. As always a maverick!!!


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#41)

by Mozzer1989 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:08:03 PM GMT

Marshall Andrews gave his reasons to a constituent who shared them with another forum I am on. Shall try and dig it out.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#42)

by ChrisPaul on Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:15:23 AM GMT

Email links for remaining nominators (Leader) Anne Begg/ Joe Benton/ Colin Burgon/ Stephen Byers/ Charles Clarke/ David Clelland/ Ann Clwyd/ Vernon Coaker/ Michael Connarty/ Jim Cousins/ Jon Cruddas/ Andrew Dismore/ Jim Dowd/ Gwyneth Dunwoody/ Frank Field/ Bruce George/ Nia Griffith/ Mike Hall/ David Hamilton/ Dai Havard/ Sharon Hodgson/ Kate Hoey/ Brian Jenkins/ Piara Khabra/ Peter Kilfoyle/ Fiona Mactaggart/ Chris McCafferty/ Siobhain McDonagh/ Rosemary McKenna/ Alan Meale/ Alan Milburn/ Austin Mitchell/ Chris Mullin/ Jim Murphy/ Stephen Pound/ Terry Rooney/ Graham Stringer/Jon Trickett/ Paul Truswell/ Rudi Vis/ Michael Wills/ David Winnick/ Anthony Wright/ Tony Wright/


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#43)

by JamesM on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:28:09 AM GMT

I do hope you're suggesting that readers of this site should harangue MPs with whom they have no constituency link in order to nominate John McDonnell. There is a fine precedent for this sort of meddling and I would hope to see it repeated here. The Guardian's campaign to encourage its readers to write anti-Bush letters to the voters of Clark county, Ohio had the opposite effect to that which was intended. Clark County swung more heavily to Bush in 2004 than it had in 2000. I would therefore encourage all McDonnellites to write long and accusatory emails to wavering MPs in support of their man.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#44)

by e10rifles on Wed May 16, 2007 at 11:30:02 AM GMT

I notice Stephen Pound's link is vacant and wonder whether to read anything into this.


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Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#45)

by JR on Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:21:02 PM GMT

A NEW NOMINATIONS UPDATE HAS BEEN CREATED FOR 1PM WEDNESDAY.


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#46)

by Curlew on Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:23:04 PM GMT

New nominations for Brown :- Byers MP, Rt Hon Stephen/ Clelland MP, David/ Coaker MP, Vernon/ Connarty MP, Michael/ George MP, Rt Hon Bruce/ Hall MP, Mike/ Hamilton MP, David/ Hodgson MP, Sharon/ Jenkins MP, Brian/ Lazarowicz MP, Mark/ McCafferty MP, Chris/ Milburn MP, Rt Hon Alan/ Munn MP, Meg/ Murphy MP, Jim/ Pound MP, Stephen/ Vis MP, Dr Rudi/ Wills MP, Michael/ ............ For McDonnell:- Cousins MP, Jim/ Griffith MP, Nia/


Re: NOMINATIONS UPDATE (#47)

by JR on Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:25:02 PM GMT

Post this on the new thread, since that will probably get moved up to the top of the home page.


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NOMINATIONS UPDATE - TUESDAY 6PM | 47 comments (47 topical)