Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown?

 


 Is there a role for Paddy Ashdown in GB's Court?

Now let me start this post with a disclaimer: this is simply future gazing, and intended to provoke debate. The virtues of the eventualities discussed below are for others to dissect.
 
As TB somewhat awkwardly asked in his latest farewell message, cast your mind back to before 01/05/97. One characteristic of this time was speculation of a possible coalition with the Fibs.

Now, as luck had it, they were not needed. So, they were told to go hang. 

Unfortunately, the 2009/2010 election does not hold any certainty.

 
The Fibs are instantly a more interesting proposition. First, they have a leader who waxes lyrical about Gordo. On Question Time (9/5/07) Ming gave GB a glowing reference, tempering it all with a question as to the transferability of GB’s abilities to the office of PM.
 
Lets be fair: we’ve all had them.
 
However, a Cabinet position for Ming and assurances about the style of Government would certainly see LD’s prefer coalition with GB than Cameron.
 
But, that’s all a long way off. What can be done to court the Libs in the meantime?
 
Simple answer: There are a pressing number of constitutional issues that need discussion, revision, and decision. PR, the Lords, the Assemblies, Regionalisation – all these issues need to be revisited in a massive way.
 
It is a job for one man and one man only: step forward Baron Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon.
 
He’s popular, likeable, well known and respected. Moreover, he has just been widely acclaimed for his role in the Balkans (despite ominous current developments). He is capable of taking on the position, be it in the Cabinet as Constitutional Affairs Minister or outside as the head of a special review, and delivering proposals that he is able to present to the nation as potential solutions.
 
GB must be considering it.
  



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Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#1)

There's me thinking Ashdown was reviled in the Balkans for running a country as though it were his own personal principality

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#5)

Everything I've read suggested that he took a hugely difficult situation and worked hard at turning it around. Surely that's the kind of long-term, nation building approach we want? Not a continuation of the post-conflict "it'll more or less work it out by itself" stuff that's been the real problem with our policies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#2)

I would not be able to accept a situation where members of other parties hold ministerial posts whilst Labour still has an overall majority in the Commons. The only time we should even consider asking LibDems to join us is if we have a hung parliament and we need their support in a coalition.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#3)

I didn't join the Labour Party to wish-think about seeing Liberal Democrats in positions of power. I don't - as some do - see Liberal Democrats as wayward cousins or part of some sort of family of the Left. They are the most incoherent and irresponsible of the British mainstream parties and I look forward, thanks mainly to Sir Menzies Campbell, to seeing their numbers in Westminster cut down considerably at the next election.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#4)

I take it even most Blairites wouldn't have supported Blair's plans in 1998 then?

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#6)

Being pretty young, I'm perhaps not as scarred by the SDP split as some. I'm pretty relaxed about the Lib Dems - they're a more or less good sort.

I'd have no problem in principle with a Lib Dem or two in government. It can only strengthen party ties in advance of a probable hung-parliament after the next elections. That said, I don't think it'll happen.

I think it's far more likely that we could see Paddy Ashdown chairing Brown's cross-party Constitutional Convention or Commission for Iraq - either one of which would appeal to those Lib Dems who migrated away from us at the 2005 election. I'd be very keen on this.

If we are to rebuild the 1997 coalition, we have to recognise what went on between 1997 and 2005. There wasn't a move from us to the Tories, there was a swing from us the the Lib Dems - we need those people back. Iraq and Constituational policy are, I suspect, exactly the issues to do this - and Ashdown is an extremely appealing figure to do it.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#9)

I must admit my worst political mistake. I was a Lib Dem member for a year. I was pissed about Iraq, and thought supporting Lib Dems was the way to express that. And as much as they want to portray themselves as left-wing, they are 'Yellow Tories'. I believed that the party of left-of-centre politicians like Shirley Williams, was the one for me, as even she said that Blair was a bit too right-wing for her. I respect Paddy, but i made a mistake, and i realise that although the left face cries of 'Go join the SWP', the best way is to argue your position inside the Labour Party, not to be disaffected at the leadership, and leave.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#10)

I must admit my worst political mistake. I was a Lib Dem member for a year. I was pissed about Iraq, and thought supporting Lib Dems was the way to express that. And as much as they want to portray themselves as left-wing, they are 'Yellow Tories'. I believed that the party of left-of-centre politicians like Shirley Williams, was the one for me, as even she said that Blair was a bit too right-wing for her. I respect Paddy, but i made a mistake, and i realise that although the left face cries of 'Go join the SWP', the best way is to argue your position inside the Labour Party, not to be disaffected at the leadership, and leave.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#11)

why did i post that twice?

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#7)

What you guys should be more worried about is that, on a discussion on this topic on today's Politics Show, the name Chris Patten came up.

Patten and Ashdown, Iraq Commission and Constitutional Conventions.

That's one way to shore up the Tory and Lib Dem fronts.

Re: Just a Feeling - What about Paddy Ashdown? (#8)

The way I see it, the tent needs to be as big as possible. Now, it will be hard to stomach embracing members of other parties. However, if this is the strategy to be pursued, I think Ashdown is a certainty for one of the two roles being discussed. The mention of Patten is intriguing. Patten has had a central role in the Tory review group so is obviously deemed an asset. However, anyone who has read his book "Not Quite a Diplomat" will have been struck by two key facts: he was solidly opposed to the way we got involved in Iraq and he is a passionate European. Both points cause trouble for DC. What finer way to open up widespread Tory foaming at the mouth than boosting the status of Patten? The grassroots would lynch DC if he elevated Patten. GB should do whatever he can to get Europe into the discussion and allow the Tories to devour themselves from the inside. At a recent Progress event, Anthony Gibbons agreed with this argument whereas Deborah Mattison believes Europe will not come onto the agenda. Unfortunately, I am inclined to believe the latter has a closer understanding of GB's position.