Renewing Party Democracy - Time to Dump NEC By-Election/Late Selection Panel? Cut parachute cords.

Deputy Leader and Leader contenders addressing the issue of Party democracy should support the proposal that the NEC By-election panel should be scrapped and, if needed at all, should be replaced by a body which has majority voting representatives from the CLP for whom the selection is made. 'Late Selection' NEC By-election panels should only be used after a General Election has been called and only then 'in extremis'.

Interference in parliamentary selection procedure by a small minority of people at the ‘top’ of the party through influencing the actions of the imperfectly formed NEC By-election/Late Selection panel has, I believe, been as perverse and dishonest as anything Militant did in the 1980s and needs similarly drastic action to deal with it.

I’ve been involved as a candidate and a ‘selector’ in quite a number of parliamentary selections and I’ve been both shortlisted and longlisted a number of times by the NEC by-election panel. I’ve been a parliamentary agent and local election agent loads of times, held every position possible in branch and CLP level, and been a re-elected councillor. So I’ve had a lot of first hand experience of how this procedure, or abuse of procedure, has worked. I might even have been an unwitting beneficiary of it at some point.

But I believe that all of the talk by the Deputy Candidates and even Brown himself about reconnecting with the party is nonsense unless they address this totemic issue of, at least, the appearance of  the corruptibility of the NEC By-Election panel procedures. It is ripe for immediate reform and a hangover from a previous time. It belongs to a previous mentality of control freikery which, I hope, has now been buried. I also believe that the importance of the influence of by-elections is massively overstated. Apart from the constituency, parties and candidates immediately affected, by-elections are important to few but political anoraks (like ourselves), sephologists and journos.

Dealing with it is fairly simple: we must change our party rules to make impossible the process of ‘parachuting’. If our party rules allow for even a hint of it, they must be amended.

For a start, we have to allow an appropriate number of local party members/officers to sit on and have a majority vote on NEC by-election and late selection panels (not simply observe, as they do now - if they’re lucky!). That would start to balance out ‘Westminster’ influence. 

I would go further and state that to avoid the appearance of  undue influence and political chicanery, never mind corruption, there must be a complete separation of powers between the parliamentary party (whether backbenchers or prime ministers) and the party itself in the selection of future M.P.s, even at by-election level. What’s the selection procedure in any CLP got to do with any other sitting member, however lofty?

And a late selection should be deemed a late selection only if the general election has been called. Some ‘late’ selections have been deemed so many months before an expected general election. In other words – once a certain date in a notionally presumed 5 year parliament has been passed the panel can, off its own bat, step in. That’s just ridiculous.

Members of the executive of the government, in particular, should have absolutely no say or influence, formal or informal, in the selection of PPCs. I don’t blame those who have found themselves ‘selected’ as MPs and even found themselves in the executive of government through the parachute.  I blame ourselves as a party for simply looking the other way and accepting that this is just ‘politics’ and its everyday rough and tumble.

Hilary Benn and Alan Johnson are both beneficiaries of this system and now they are up for the Deputy Leader’s job. Might they remove the ladder that assisted them, I wonder?

The party itself has to grow up and stop supinely accepting the droit de seigneur of anyone in our party to influence candidate selection, especially a prime minister or Cabinet Member. And influence candidate selection those at the very top do: and I challenge anyone to seriously deny that it doesn’t happen.

Let’s face it, the late selections and by-elections procedure has been used to allow existing MPs and especially the Cabinet to get their mates and special advisors into the house. When applied to late selections it is now worse, because more often than not it is used to get men into the house who, because of the effects of All Women Shortlists, have so few open selections to go for. So it is also a sexist abuse of the system.  

It appears to me that that the NEC has considerable scope (too much) as to who actually is on the panel.  An NEC by-election panel often has 2 cabinet members and the general secretary of the party (and sometimes no-one else). Obviously the cabinet members’ jobs are in the gift of the P.M. and the G.S. will have been appointed in consultation with the P.M. and answer either directly or indirectly (through his appointee as ‘chair’ of the party) to the P.M. It allows for undue influence. It’s a recipe for democratic disaster as far as this party being in the hands of its members.

But I would question the very need for these emergency by-election panels in the first place.

These days the ability through a whole range of communications technology to get a party together to select a candidate in a constituency quickly is easy. Any party unit in this country can easily organise themselves in 7 days or less to arrange a shortlist from, say, the NEC parliamentary panel, and to a final hustings which is genuinely in the hands of members. It usually takes that long for the NEC panel to do it anyway. The only reason some selections have been incredibly rushed is because the by-election was called deliberately quickly by us (when in power) for some perceived nebulous political advantage.

The ‘late selections’ procedure effectively allows individual M.P.s to flout party rules in failing to declare in time whether they will be stepping down – that shouldn’t be allowed to happen. It opens the doors to allegations of promises of peerages almost every time, often quite justifiably.

It should be in our party rules that no sitting MP is permitted to step down once a general election is called, or they have been confirmed in the affirmative ballot procedure. If they do later step down without good reason, he/she should be expelled from the party.  In the event of this happening after the calling of a General Election, the national party should on behalf of the CLP call an immediate emergency meeting of its EC/GC to shortlist from the National Parliamentary Panel, and an all members meeting to take place within 7 days.  Only if this is simply not possible should an emergency NEC panel be used to select, onto which panel a majority of CLP party officers are co-opted and vote.

The late selections concept is simply a ruse to allow the By-election panel to operate to place favoured candidates by parachute – everybody knows this. We have at least to stop late selections being in the hands of an NEC by-election panel which has on it either sitting members of parliament or even already selected PPCs (which happens).

It should be said, however, that the ‘parachuting’ system was used quite selectively and often in turns to place Brownite and Blairite supporters into the commons (often to keep up the balance!) That makes it even worse.

Let’s get the P.M., the Cabinet, other Ministers and the M.P.s completely out of the selection process for our future M.P.s and by-election Candidates. Bearing in mind for the last 10 years the Prime Minister has been able simply to appoint legislators (sometimes not even party members!) to the legislature directly (through the House of Lords) and then into ministerial positions, it makes even less sense to have to construct a system, or manipulate a deficient system, to allow ‘the desirables’ through the door of the Commons.

The Deputy Leadership and Leadership candidate(s) should be challenged to address this one area of party democracy which causes unnecessary ill-feeling across the party and a sense of real democratic deficit.

And before you say it, if you detect the odour of some sour grapes, then I'll admit, you may be right!



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Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#1)

Completely agree.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#3)

oh, i missed the part about expelling MP's, don't agree with that

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#5)

Extreme, I know. I sound like the Mandelsonsite tendency I'm attacking. But to be clear, I am only talking about those M.P.s who step down once the election has been called. A few weeks before a general election is not the time to get the wobbles. The damage to the party can be immense. It is not in an M.P.'s gift to leave the decision that late and simply walk away. A seat could be lost in the process. The scrabbling around to get a late replacement and the local party's campaign being undermined are consequences which can have caused real damage to the party - as much as a party member standing for another party in my book. It's our party, our respective C.L.P., not the M.P.'s. The expulsion threat would, I think concentrate the mind a little earlier on!

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#8)

I think your general argument is right. In my mind, it should be up to CLPs to select their candidate not up to a select few who have a vested interest in ensuring certain people are on the shortlist. I appreciate that with by-elections a candidate needs to be chosen quickly, but that shouldn't preclude the involvement of local party members. The same applies to 'ordinary' selections. The selection of PPCs needs to be more open and transparent, with less interference into what is CLP business.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#2)

I partially agree, but not entirely: you certainly go too far in suggesting that any MP who decides they don't want to seek reselection after they've been re-adopted should be expelled from the party, for example.

I also think that regardless of your own personal view of the importance of by-elections they do require a certain level of media savvy because of the media circus that descends upon them and the national damage gaffes made during by-elections can still have. "Ordinary" candidates do not (immediately) face anything like the trial by media that by-election candidates endure - if they make it to Westminster and are successful in their parliamentary career they have time to learn this stuff, whereas by-election candidates need it from the day they're selected.

So that's an argument for NEC input - I don't have any problem with there being greater; even equal CLP representation on the panel.

In respect of parachuting-in, I don't buy the argument that CLPs are powerless in this process, because it simply isn't true. There is a fast-tracked process, sure, but take St Helens South: you may not like the fact that Sean Woodward was selected there but he won the backing of the members; ditto Tony Blair in Sedgefield, ditto Alan Johnson in Hull, Yvette Cooper in Pontefract and David Miliband in South Shields, to name but a few. I just don't recognise your description of CLPs having candidates they don't want foisted on them and them glowering powerlessly while it happens.

Yes, I think MPs could and should be far more honest about determining whether they intend to seek another term; I'd actually like to see a slightly more substantive process than the "affirmative ballot" when they're reselected - and last minute retirements are usually unnecessary and a poor way to treat their CLP, though unless we have fixed term parliaments they can't be ruled out entirely.

Extremist, blanket solutions aren't the answer though. So that's an "agree there's a problem, disagree with your suggested alternative" answer from me, but I'm sure there's a compromise available that could satisfy everyone.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#4)

"I also think that regardless of your own personal view of the importance of by-elections they do require a certain level of media savvy because of the media circus that descends upon them and the national damage gaffes made during by-elections can still have. "Ordinary" candidates do not (immediately) face anything like the trial by media that by-election candidates endure ." I agree with this. The candidate in a byelection is much more important than in a GE. The spotlight is on the candidate all the time, unlike in GEs where it's usually on national leaders. "There is a fast-tracked process, sure, but take St Helens South: you may not like the fact that Sean Woodward was selected there but he won the backing of the members" but would he have won it if Marie Rimmer had been on the shortlist? " I think MPs could and should be far more honest about determining whether they intend to seek another term" I understand it's difficult for MPs to make up their mind before the trigger process as it's often down at least a couple of years before the actual election and so many things can happen in between. However some late retirements are sometimes really too late. And if they're in marginal seats, the CLP have to rush to select a new candidate losing the advantage of having a more established incumbents as the opposition candidate is maybe in place by months

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#6)

The argument is one of democracy in our party. It is hardly an argument to say that the CLP has a little influence, my point is that they should be a powerful democratic force, not a subjugated party unit. The leadership candidates all seem to want to reconnect with and democratise the party. I say this is a chance to really show you mean it, and here's an issue to show that the rhetoric means something. Trust the membership again: otherwise, leadership and deputy leadership candidates, it's all a pocketful of mumbles, to coin a phrase. Whether or not a CLP accepts a candidate selected by the By-election committee is neither here nor there to the democracy argument. The members of the relevant CLP should,in my opinion, fully support the candidate selected because s/he has been properly selected under the party's rules. I think that happens. Once the candidate is validly selected, as you suggest, people tend to rally together under the flag, quite rightly. That doesn't mean you shouldn't press for those rules to be changed if they are wrong and allow for undue influence.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#7)

Sure - all I'm pointing out to you is that it's highly likely that there will be some moves towards the positions you seek; but if they don't go as far as you're demanding (and you're not going to get expulsions, for example) then that's still an advance. There's a tendency in the Labour Party towards absolutism: unless people get exactly what they want they portray any advance as a sell-out.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#12)

Just a point about the 'by-election' candidate having to be media savvy etc. In fact the opposite has become the case over the last 7 years or so. I have been very close to a number of by-elections and the candidates in them and what has happened is that the by-election candidate is not let anywhere the press/media these days at all. It is incredibly tightly controlled.

Absolutely nothing is left to chance by the national party. The Minders are all over the place instead. Hustings are an absolute no-no. Press briefings (if there are any) often do not have the candidate present, and are handled exclusively by the 'minders' who sweep in and prevent any meaningful contact with the media and, sometimes, the voters. Paranoia is the order of the day everyday. It's often a tremendous shame for the candidate.

So, paradoxically, the by-election candidate these days needs less media savvy than the bog-standard general election candidate who is often left to the tender mercies of the media.

The key part of the NEC By-election panel is the so-called 'hostile press conference' where the shortlisted or 'short-longlisted' candidates are basically assaulted for 15 minutes with aggressive questioning from the whole panel pretending to be journos(the cabinet members usually really enjoy it). I can assure you it is one of the most stressful experiences you can go through! I've been there a few times. The point is to see if you could cope in those circumstances, but it has become just an exercise, because the candidate simply never has to experience it in the by-election campaign proper.

By the way, I am told (although I could be happily deluding myself)that absolutely everybody does absolutely rubbish in the hostile press conferences. It's about how badly rubbish you do! It's a pretence, really. Because everybody comes out feeling they've performed awfully, it makes it easier to tell people, and easier for people to accept, that they've not gone through because they assume they did rubbish - which they did! I've gone through when I thought I had done abysmally and not gone through when I thought I'd survived quite well!

If you read the Peter Mandelson biographies, also by the way, it is instructive to learn how badly he felt he had performed (and apparently he did!) during his Hartlepool 'normal' selection procedures. This from the king of spin and media handling!

I accept that I do my argument a disservice here, because if we did let the candidate near the media, we probably should put them through it on the panel to sort out the wheat from the chaff! So there is another argument as to whether we should let the by-election candidate near the media or not. Don't get me wrong, I'd be prepared to accept not!

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#9)

Maybe the selection of all candidates has to be at a set time, to stop candidates moving from seat to seat, trying to get selected.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#10)

Aside from the fact that selecting everywhere at the same time would involve huge resources, why is it in itself a bad thing for candidates who are unsuccessful in being selected in one constituency to seek selection in another?

How many seats did Betty Boothroyd, for example, seek selection for before she finally got chosen by West Bromwich?

This is an idea that would tilt selections even further towards local (i.e. from that specific constituency) candidates because if they can only apply for one seat most people will judge that their own is their best shot; and that disenfranchises further anyone with the misfortune of living in a seat not held by Labour.

Don't get me wrong: local-ness is an invaluable and increasingly important electoral asset but so are other qualities: neither Tony Benn nor Tony Blair would likely have entered parliament had this been the rule when they were seeking initial selection; and those are just two I could list.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#11)

Being local isn't the be all and end all. The person needs to be competent. But, thankfully CLPs are increasingly recognising that competent candidates can be found locally and ideally the candidate should be a local one. Local, of course, doesn't have to mean within the constituency boundaries but certainly not a couple of hundred miles away.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#13)

I think you'll find that "being local isn't the be all and end all" is exactly the point I was making. But again "certainly not a couple of hundred miles away"? *Certainly* not? Why? Again, that would rule out both Blair and Benn - Chesterfield's a couple of hundred miles away from Bristol East (Benn's two seats) and Sedgefield's further than that from London.

I don't think picking local candidates is something new; plenty of places have both done that on occasion and not done that on occasion - it's literally never been an issue,

But it's becoming one because in an increasingly consumerist electorate being local is a "dog-whistle" issue to tell voters that the candidate is "like me" - something that's starting to matter more than where the candidate stands ideologically.

I think you may be right that "local" doesn't have to mean "from that constituency" in some parts of the country, but not others. In London, for example, the very least it means is within the same borough or on the environs of it - and even that's unlikely to be enough in a strong Labour seat which has lots of incumbent councillors.

Take the current Putney selection for instance (NOT a seat with lots of incumbent Labour councillors, but nonetheless): some of the speculation we've seen on this forum from non-Londoners about this selection have been that someone like Floyd Millen has a shot because he's "local".

He lives in Bexley - that's the other side of London; it's not local to anyone who lives there (and I'm not making any comment on Floyd's qualities or drawbacks as a candidate, just that one comment that leapt out at me when Wiseman made it).

But equally, if you live in somewhere like Derbyshire say, I guess the seven or eight miles that in London makes Bexley nowhere near to being local to Putney is a distance that would be quite easily described as local up there - the distance between, say, High Peak and Amber Valley is a great deal more than that, but both are Derbyshire constituencies where "being local" could be used in either selection, perhaps by anyone residing in that county (or perhaps even neighbouring ones).

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#14)

I don't think that Labour Party members who want a vaguely local candidate are motivated by consumerism or want a candidate to be like them. I would prefer a local candidate, simply because I feel they are better placed to understand local issues and circumstances. That's not to say that being local would be the determining factor for me; but it would certainly be a factor. Clearly, I'd want to know their politics but I'd be naturally resistant to (for example) a London based apparatchik no matter what their politics. In their differing ways, I'm glad that both Benn and Blair were able to get themselves selected. However, they might have find constituencies less favourable nowadays. The ideal is that constituencies can pick principled, local candidates who understand the electorate and their concerns.

Re: Renewing Party Democracy (#15)

No, my point about consumerism related to the wider electorate, not the internal selectorate. I think you're right that both Benn and Blair would find it more difficult to get constituencies these days, though that said, it remains relatively easy for Ed Miliband to end up in Doncaster and David Miliband to end up in South Shields; and Shaun Woodward to end up in St Helens!