Non-elected cabinet: Accountability vs Efficiency

With the atmosphere in Westminster being highly-charged and tense as it is, I'd like to know what the grassroots think about having non-MPs serve in the cabinet. What do we think of a US-styled structure, where only those who have earned the President's trust and respect are allowed into the Cabinet, and elected representatives focus on representing their constituents to the best of their abilities? We already have respectable members of society elevated to the Lords (eg Lords West and Brown recently), but what about an entire cabinet comprised of non-politicians?

The mainstream press is zero-ing in on the unspoken hostility between Harriet Harman and the PM - wouldn't it be better for the country if the PM's cabinet wasn't so worried about losing their seats and were able to focus on their respective jobs? If Peter Hain's credibility is under attack, how is he expected to focus on his respective cabinet and constituency workloads?

Does limiting the pool of applicants to consist solely of MPs necessarily mean we're neglecting the many skilled and experienced managers around the country?


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Re: Non-elected cabinet members (#1)

I think I like it, it seems logical but I still need to be fully convinced. The American version of the Chancellor is always someone who is well respected within Wall Street circles and has loads of experience in finance. Our Alistair Darling is a solicitor...enuff said!

How would Question Time with a given Minister work, though? I'm worried we'd have to change the entire face of our governmental structure. Change is good, but too much change is scary.

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I'm in the party to see Labour MPs and Ministers put forward our manifesto. You can pick out talented individuals to advise or work for the Government, but ultimately this is political.  The fact that Alistair Darling is a solicitor by training is a red herring. We wouldn't expect Des Browne to be able to drive a tank.  What we do want is for decisions to be taken in accordance to the public and party interest. 

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I was trying to keep Des' name out of this, but I do think it's a shame that he's been put in charge of two rather important government departments. Then again, he might be an amazingly effective manager - I don't know enough to comment.

I don't think it just has everything to do with confidence because it's about finding the best person for a specific job. And frankly, I don't have confidence in our MPs or the Tory toffs who parade around in the shadow cabinet. I want someone who's only focus it is to manage their department - not someone who has to worry about campaigning. My MP is a Tory, and I would want him to represent my interests, not have to focus on running the MoD as well!

Re: cont (#3)

Thinking of the recent 'Government of all the talents' stuff and Cameron's search for a non-partisan mayoral candidate in London, I think we're in danger of reinforcing the sense that politicians aren't up to the job. Maybe some aren't, but it's a novel manifesto - vote for us and we'll get someone else in to do the job because we have no confidence in our own lot. Actually that might appeal at the moment...

Re: Non-elected:Accountability vs Efficiency (#5)

The efficiency part of the equation is (or should be ) taken care of by the civil service.  The cabinet and decision makers should be appointed by the electorate democratically  - I want to be REPRESENTED!
 

Re: Non-elected cabinet (#6)

It seems to me a more professional cabinet could make a lot of sense, particularly now the Lords are (virtually) all appointed, leaving MPs to focus on their constituency and scrutiny roles. The government would continue to need the confidence of the Commons as the elected representatives, unlike the US where a government is only accountable every four years with the Presidential election. None of this would need any legislation (though the Chancellor and Treasury ministers would still need to be MPs given the Commons legislative monopoly on finance bills).

Along with this could and would probably need to go more political appointments in the Civil Service, but as policy experts and managers rather than glorified press officers as seems primarily the case now. If, as in the US case, this was often achieved with having people take academic posts in the meantime this would also vastly improve the quality of teaching and relevance of research in policy relevant areas.

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In many countries picking cabinet members from outside the ranks of politics is normal, and in some you cannot be an MP and a minister simultaneously (for example, in France, if you are appointed as a minister, you have to resign your parliamentary seat, although you can pass it on to a designated 'suppleant' from your own party).

I think we need more people with backgrounds in business, in public sector management, academia, the armed forces etc. I don't think that having a government full of professional career politicians who have been working to become an MP since they were sixteen and have never had a proper job or any life experience outside of politics, is particularly healthy.

There are two problems - we tend to be set in our ways in Britain, and to resist new ideas. I can remember all the controversy when Tony Blair tried to abolish the Lord Chancellorship and the roles of Secretaries of State for Scotland and Wales.

Plus a key part of being a politician is dealing with a 24-hour news media who will tear you apart if you say anything remotely controversial or which could be construed as even slightly different to the official line. This is a real problem for many people who lack political experience - look at some of the problems Mark Malloch Brown and Lord West have had with the media.

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I think what we really need to ensure is that our MPs come with broad life experience and the kind of management skills and experience necessary for taking care of the complex needs of the modern British economy and their constituents.... if we can get that right, then selected talented ministers from within that pool is easier.

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Exactly.

Re: Non-elected cabinet: (#10)

Where would such a cabinet's legitmacy come from?


At the moment, the cabinet's constitutional role is quite clear: we have - in theory at least - cabinet government, and Gordon Brown is merely primus inter pares.  Of course the reality is that the Prime Minister is the dominant political figure, but your suggestion does more than just formalise the reality: it would create an extraordinary political anomoly: the Prime Minister would be the only minister to also be an MP.  This is, of course, different from the other examples you've given where the executive is entirely seperate from the legislature, even at its head (i.e. they have a president). 


Would the next move be to suggest that the Prime Minister should be an expert, and not a politician too?  Perhaps we could dispense with elections altogether and just get sensible moderate people to rule in the best interests of everyone?


The Cabinets you speak of have a very different role than ours: they are a collection of heads of department, whereas ours are a decision-making body.  What you are essentially proposing is to formalize the death of cabinet government.

Re: Non-elected cabinet: (#11)

I can't agree with this at all. Every member of the Cabinet (and indeed all government ministers) should have been democratically elected in some form or another.

Unfortunately this is not what we have now as some unelected Lords sit round the Cabinet table, but hopefully Lords' reform should change all that.

It would be impossible to have an unelected Cabinet in the UK because we don't have a Presidential system. We have a Parliamentary system run by Cabinet Government where ministers have to be accountable to the Commons or the Lords. Our Cabinet members are much more high-profile than their American counterparts. The Chancellor of the Exhequer is far more important in Britain than the Treasury Secretary is in the States.

Re: Non-elected cabinet: (#12)

if we abolishe the monarchy, how would bloggers here feel about cabinet appointments? Closer to the American system, or perhaps closer to the French system?